The Rarest Of Virtues

[JoeB131]

I've moved you beyond "stupid" to the category of "idiot" now.

1. The picture says CABUL. Afghanistan?

2. Sure, Joe, it's our fault about the burkas....it's so sad to watch some adults get old but remain chronically idiotic.

Uh, sweetie, there's no "Cabul", there's a "Kabul".

Um, yeah, burkhas were entirely our fault. We armed the craziest people we could find, and then wondered why they turned out so bad.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What are the reasons for Islam’s association with terrorism and death?”


Is it possible for Islam to change?

Again, they are doing what ANY other people would do when faced with foreign invasion.

The question is, why do we keep trying to carve out an empire among people who don't want us there.

You really do live in an OrwellIan universe, don't you, cretin?

Muslims by the millions and Millions are invading the west, not the other way around.

 

[SweetSue92]

While gratitude is known as the most important of virtues, courage is the rarest.



1.One of the greatest of disappointments is the latest version of character of the British public. As noted by Melanie Phillips, none other than Sayed Qutb, a founder of violent Islamism, correctly criticizes British society, thus:

“…perception of Western decadence. British Muslims are overwhelmingly horrified and disgusted by the louche and dissolute behavior of a Britain that has torn up the notion of respectability. They observe the alcoholism, drug abuse and pornography, the breakdown of family life and the encouragement of promiscuity, and find themselves therefore in opposition to their host society's guiding values. What they are recoiling from, of course, is the breakdown of Western values. After a visit to the United States in 1948, Sayed Qutb wrote: "Humanity today is living in a large brothel!" Similarly, British Muslims have concluded that the society that expects them to identify with it is a moral cesspit. Is it any wonder, therefore, that they reject it?”

Muslims, therefore, have a religious duty to change Britain into an Islamic society.
And the British public, having abandoned their heritage, belief in their religion, and their backbone, are not willing to put up a strong resistance to same.



2. Well, not all Brits.

George Leonard Carey, Baron Carey of Clifton, the retired Anglican bishop who was the Archbishop of Canterbury, gave quite a speech on the subject of “Christianity and Islam,” "Christianity and Islam", Collision or Convergence - by George Carey | VirtueOnline – The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism

“…wherever we look, Islam seems to be embroiled in conflict with other faiths and other cultures. It is in opposition to practically every other world religion- to Judaism in the Middle East; to Christianity in the West, in Nigeria, and in the Middle East; to Hinduism in India; to Buddhism, especially since the destruction of the Temples in Afghanistan.

We are presented therefore with a huge puzzle concerning Islam. Why is it associated with violence throughout the world?


Listen to Samuel Huntington, one of the most important voices in these matters in recent days. In 1993 he published a controversial essay entitled ‘The Clash of Civilisations’. His thesis was that the collapse of communism signalled the end of ideological battles of the political kind. Western capitalism was now dominant. The next battle he claimed will be the clash of cultures, with Islamic and Christian civilisations separating the world.

In 1997 he published a book of the same name, modifying the thesis but retaining the underlying argument that a clash between two great cultures was inevitable. In an extraordinary claim he insisted: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power”.

What are the reasons for Islam’s association with terrorism and death?”


Is it possible for Islam to change?

Really excellent food for thought--thanks for sharing. From this Christian's perspective, it will be a tough uphill climb for Islam to live alongside the West IF they plan to truly engage or share the culture.

Islam is a religion of works. Not drinking, not smoking, being modest, praying five times a day, not eating or eating--this is basically the fundamentals of their religion. So when Muslims seek to export their religion they want to see others engage in these behaviors. Not so for Christians: we are a religion of belief, not works. Sure, we don't want to see people out fornicating, taking drugs and etc, but we generally leave the judgment to God (or think we should at any rate).

How those two ever peacefully coincide?

???

I would say both religions share another element that you did not mention.. both have followers that have their own personal beliefs and practices while respecting others people’s right to live how they want to live and both have followers that try and push their beliefs onto others while passing judgement on those that do not follow suit.

My personal observations have shown far more people falling in the first category for both religions.

Then it would behoove you to look at those beliefs carefully when you are around those people, would it not?

For instance, maybe compare Mohammad vs. Jesus.

 

[JoeB131]

Here's a book you should be afraid of, you dolt.

The following are direct quotes from the Quran and the Hadith:

Okay, I can find just as many awful quotes from the Bible.

Let's play!

The Most WTF Bible Verses

 

[SweetSue92]

I've moved you beyond "stupid" to the category of "idiot" now.

1. The picture says CABUL. Afghanistan?

2. Sure, Joe, it's our fault about the burkas....it's so sad to watch some adults get old but remain chronically idiotic.

Uh, sweetie, there's no "Cabul", there's a "Kabul".

Um, yeah, burkhas were entirely our fault. We armed the craziest people we could find, and then wondered why they turned out so bad.

Idiot Joe, that's how it's spelled in Hebrew and how it was spelled in older times.

 

[Slade3200]

While gratitude is known as the most important of virtues, courage is the rarest.



1.One of the greatest of disappointments is the latest version of character of the British public. As noted by Melanie Phillips, none other than Sayed Qutb, a founder of violent Islamism, correctly criticizes British society, thus:

“…perception of Western decadence. British Muslims are overwhelmingly horrified and disgusted by the louche and dissolute behavior of a Britain that has torn up the notion of respectability. They observe the alcoholism, drug abuse and pornography, the breakdown of family life and the encouragement of promiscuity, and find themselves therefore in opposition to their host society's guiding values. What they are recoiling from, of course, is the breakdown of Western values. After a visit to the United States in 1948, Sayed Qutb wrote: "Humanity today is living in a large brothel!" Similarly, British Muslims have concluded that the society that expects them to identify with it is a moral cesspit. Is it any wonder, therefore, that they reject it?”

Muslims, therefore, have a religious duty to change Britain into an Islamic society.
And the British public, having abandoned their heritage, belief in their religion, and their backbone, are not willing to put up a strong resistance to same.



2. Well, not all Brits.

George Leonard Carey, Baron Carey of Clifton, the retired Anglican bishop who was the Archbishop of Canterbury, gave quite a speech on the subject of “Christianity and Islam,” "Christianity and Islam", Collision or Convergence - by George Carey | VirtueOnline – The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism

“…wherever we look, Islam seems to be embroiled in conflict with other faiths and other cultures. It is in opposition to practically every other world religion- to Judaism in the Middle East; to Christianity in the West, in Nigeria, and in the Middle East; to Hinduism in India; to Buddhism, especially since the destruction of the Temples in Afghanistan.

We are presented therefore with a huge puzzle concerning Islam. Why is it associated with violence throughout the world?


Listen to Samuel Huntington, one of the most important voices in these matters in recent days. In 1993 he published a controversial essay entitled ‘The Clash of Civilisations’. His thesis was that the collapse of communism signalled the end of ideological battles of the political kind. Western capitalism was now dominant. The next battle he claimed will be the clash of cultures, with Islamic and Christian civilisations separating the world.

In 1997 he published a book of the same name, modifying the thesis but retaining the underlying argument that a clash between two great cultures was inevitable. In an extraordinary claim he insisted: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power”.

What are the reasons for Islam’s association with terrorism and death?”


Is it possible for Islam to change?

How do YOU define courage?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The answer is here......for when you learn to read.

More books from religious bigots? No thanks.

To paraphrase George McGovern, I get tired of old men finding excuses for young men to die.

Because we needed to save Libya damn it!

I agree entirely. It was completely stupid of Obama to get us in the middle of Libya's civil war. This isn't a partisan issue, BOTH parties are equally guilty of this nonsense of letting the Zionists and Oil Companies dictate out policies.

A palpable fear of books, education, knowledge.

Quite a shocker.

Joe is a worthless waste of protoplasm and it knows it is a worthless waste of proposal.

Rather than work on elevating itself to something approaching human, all it does is hate the entirety of its culture with a vengeance.

It supports anything as long as that entity opposes us.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sword and Scimitar (post #6) is a take on Zizek's passages comparing Army and Church in The Fragile Absolute, p. 123. It is an "us vs. them" mentality. Or in Lacan: " a fight to the death for pure prestige." Yes, especially after the embarrassing year, 1967. Tara Westover's Educated is a book that moves along Reagan lines who have armed fundamentalist mentalities duped by the theologian or escape from these religious pathologies.

Did you read the book?


I did.


Tons of documentation.....I checked 'em....he is accurate and scholarly.

 

[JoeB131]

You really do live in an OrwellIan universe, don't you, cretin?

Muslims by the millions and Millions are invading the west, not the other way around.

Really? Immigration to provide cheap labor is not an "invasion". I'm sorry the English language eludes you.

How many middle eastern countries have we occupied, bombed or invaded since 1980?

 

[SweetSue92]

Here's a book you should be afraid of, you dolt.

The following are direct quotes from the Quran and the Hadith:

Okay, I can find just as many awful quotes from the Bible.

Let's play!

The Most WTF Bible Verses

Joe is too mentally dull to understand but to everyone else:

The verses Joe would quote would be verses of specific people God was judging in the Old Testament...NOT all unbelievers or disbelievers. It applied to a small group in the OT and would apply to NO ONE now.

 

[Slade3200]

While gratitude is known as the most important of virtues, courage is the rarest.



1.One of the greatest of disappointments is the latest version of character of the British public. As noted by Melanie Phillips, none other than Sayed Qutb, a founder of violent Islamism, correctly criticizes British society, thus:

“…perception of Western decadence. British Muslims are overwhelmingly horrified and disgusted by the louche and dissolute behavior of a Britain that has torn up the notion of respectability. They observe the alcoholism, drug abuse and pornography, the breakdown of family life and the encouragement of promiscuity, and find themselves therefore in opposition to their host society's guiding values. What they are recoiling from, of course, is the breakdown of Western values. After a visit to the United States in 1948, Sayed Qutb wrote: "Humanity today is living in a large brothel!" Similarly, British Muslims have concluded that the society that expects them to identify with it is a moral cesspit. Is it any wonder, therefore, that they reject it?”

Muslims, therefore, have a religious duty to change Britain into an Islamic society.
And the British public, having abandoned their heritage, belief in their religion, and their backbone, are not willing to put up a strong resistance to same.



2. Well, not all Brits.

George Leonard Carey, Baron Carey of Clifton, the retired Anglican bishop who was the Archbishop of Canterbury, gave quite a speech on the subject of “Christianity and Islam,” "Christianity and Islam", Collision or Convergence - by George Carey | VirtueOnline – The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism

“…wherever we look, Islam seems to be embroiled in conflict with other faiths and other cultures. It is in opposition to practically every other world religion- to Judaism in the Middle East; to Christianity in the West, in Nigeria, and in the Middle East; to Hinduism in India; to Buddhism, especially since the destruction of the Temples in Afghanistan.

We are presented therefore with a huge puzzle concerning Islam. Why is it associated with violence throughout the world?


Listen to Samuel Huntington, one of the most important voices in these matters in recent days. In 1993 he published a controversial essay entitled ‘The Clash of Civilisations’. His thesis was that the collapse of communism signalled the end of ideological battles of the political kind. Western capitalism was now dominant. The next battle he claimed will be the clash of cultures, with Islamic and Christian civilisations separating the world.

In 1997 he published a book of the same name, modifying the thesis but retaining the underlying argument that a clash between two great cultures was inevitable. In an extraordinary claim he insisted: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power”.

What are the reasons for Islam’s association with terrorism and death?”


Is it possible for Islam to change?

Really excellent food for thought--thanks for sharing. From this Christian's perspective, it will be a tough uphill climb for Islam to live alongside the West IF they plan to truly engage or share the culture.

Islam is a religion of works. Not drinking, not smoking, being modest, praying five times a day, not eating or eating--this is basically the fundamentals of their religion. So when Muslims seek to export their religion they want to see others engage in these behaviors. Not so for Christians: we are a religion of belief, not works. Sure, we don't want to see people out fornicating, taking drugs and etc, but we generally leave the judgment to God (or think we should at any rate).

How those two ever peacefully coincide?

???

I would say both religions share another element that you did not mention.. both have followers that have their own personal beliefs and practices while respecting others people’s right to live how they want to live and both have followers that try and push their beliefs onto others while passing judgement on those that do not follow suit.

My personal observations have shown far more people falling in the first category for both religions.

Then it would behoove you to look at those beliefs carefully when you are around those people, would it not?

For instance, maybe compare Mohammad vs. Jesus.

Why would it behoove me to look at their beliefs carefully?

 

[SweetSue92]

The answer is here......for when you learn to read.

More books from religious bigots? No thanks.

To paraphrase George McGovern, I get tired of old men finding excuses for young men to die.

Because we needed to save Libya damn it!

I agree entirely. It was completely stupid of Obama to get us in the middle of Libya's civil war. This isn't a partisan issue, BOTH parties are equally guilty of this nonsense of letting the Zionists and Oil Companies dictate out policies.

A palpable fear of books, education, knowledge.

Quite a shocker.

Joe is a worthless waste of protoplasm and it knows it is a worthless waste of proposal.

Rather than work on elevating itself to something approaching human, all it does is hate the entirety of its culture with a vengeance.

It supports anything as long as that entity opposes us.

I recently had him on ignore and might have to go back to that actually.

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. “J.A.Williams makes a distinction between ‘revivalists’ whose aim is to help Muslims return to the fundamentals of Islamic faith and ‘radical activists’, who encourage a fight against infidels. It is more accurate to call radical activists, whose creed calls them to bring about revolution through violence, what they are – terrorists.


…we have to look to Saudi Arabia, the heartland of Islam, to trace one of the major sources of radical Islamic thought. Two hundred years ago a Reform movement had swept through Saudi Arabia through the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. Uniting with Muhammad Ibn Saud, a powerful chief, Mohammed ibn Abd al-Wahhab subdued other tribes and imposed what Prof. John Esposito has described ‘ a puritanical form of Islam’ on the people.


We should note that Wahhabi puritanism deemed it belonged to the purity of faith to destroy the sacred tombs of Mohammed and his companions in Mecca and Medina. Today, it is the Wahhabi form of Islam that is being exported to other countries and communities in Muslim lands. Its intolerant and tyrannical beliefs lend themselves to young impressionable minds searching for certainties."


Wahhab fundamentalism combined with the discovery of oil in Saudi Arabia that made the global conflict possible.

Democrat Jimmy Carter, installing the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran was the catalyst.

Photos of Islamic women in modern dress before this time is simply stunning.

From 1972

1. If you haven't read it already, I recommend Chesler's book.


2. Phyllis Chesler has long been a heroine of mine, since I read her personal history in

3. "Phyllis Chesler ... psychotherapist, and professor emerita of psychology and women's studies at the College of Staten Island (CUNY). ... Chesler has written several works on such subjects as antisemitism, Islam, and honor killings. Chesler argues that many western intellectuals, including leftists and feminists, have abandoned Western values in the name of multicultural relativism, and that this has led to an alliance with Islamists, an increase in antisemitism, and to the abandonment of Muslim women and religious minorities in Muslim-majority countries." Phyllis Chesler - Wikipedia




4. Chesler is an expert on all things Muslim....as she has lived the experiences: "...she met Ali, a Westernized Muslim man from Afghanistan, the son of devout Muslim parents. They married in a civil ceremony in 1961 in New York State and settled in Kabul, in the large, polygamous household of her father-in-law. ... on arrival in Afghanistan.... authorities forced her to surrender her U.S. passport, and she ended up a virtual prisoner in her in-laws' house. Chesler describes this as how foreign wives were treated.[5] This phenomenon has been documented by others."
Ibid.


Chesler is one more recovering Liberal who was strong enough to have learned from her experiences in life.


5. In Afghanistan, she was silenced by the Muslim culture, and subject to 'purda'...
"Purdah, ... practice that was inaugurated by Muslims ... involves the seclusion of women from public observation by means of concealing clothing (including the veil) and by the use of high-walled enclosures, screens, and curtains within the home."
purdah | Islamic custom

Purdah is solitary confinement.....for life.




No shock under the Taliban.....but a lesson for all who believe that Muslims, if they gain the power, would allow the America we love.

I am not aware of her I will put this on my Amazon list! She reminds me a bit of Ayaan Hirsi Ali...Leftists hate her.

I wonder if you have read much of Camille Paglia. She IS a feminist atheist and a lesbian, but a free thinker and wicked smart. She hates "third wave feminism" and what the Modern Left has become. Read below what she says about Islam and the West:

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JVL: One of the other big news stories for the last few weeks has been terrorism in Great Britain. Everyone goes to great pains to say that this isn't "Islamic" terrorism, but rather "Islamist" ("Islam-ish?") terrorism. Does nomenclature matter here? Does the fact that Western liberalism gets so wrapped up in knots over how to talk about its antagonists mean anything?

CP: You've nailed it about Western liberalism's obsession with language, to the exclusion of wide-ranging study of world history or systematic observation of present social conditions. Liberalism of the 1950s and '60s exalted civil liberties, individualism, and dissident thought and speech. "Question authority" was our generational rubric when I was in college. But today's liberalism has become grotesquely mechanistic and authoritarian: It's all about reducing individuals to a group identity, defining that group in permanent victim terms, and denying others their democratic right to challenge that group and its ideology. Political correctness represents the fossilized institutionalization of once-vital revolutionary ideas, which have become mere rote formulas. It is repressively Stalinist, dependent on a labyrinthine, parasitic bureaucracy to enforce its empty dictates.

The reluctance or inability of Western liberals to candidly confront jihadism has been catastrophically counterproductive insofar as it has inspired an ongoing upsurge in right-wing politics in Europe and the United States. Citizens have an absolute right to demand basic security from their government. The contortions to which so many liberals resort to avoid connecting bombings, massacres, persecutions, and cultural vandalism to Islamic jihadism is remarkable, given their usual animosity to religion, above all Christianity. Some commentators have suggested a link to racial preconceptions: that is, Islam remains beyond criticism because it is largely a religion of non-whites whose two holy cities occupy territory once oppressed by Western imperialism.

For a quarter century, I have been calling for comparative religion to be made the core curriculum of higher education. (I am speaking as an atheist.) Knowledge of the great world religions—Hinduism, Buddhism, Judeo-Christianity, Islam—is the true multiculturalism. Everyone should have a general familiarity with the beliefs, texts, rituals, art, and shrines of all the major religions. Only via a direct encounter with the Qu'ran and Hadith, for example, can anyone know what they say about jihad and how those strikingly numerous passages have been interpreted in different ways over time.

Camille Paglia: On Trump, Democrats, Transgenderism, and Islamist Terror

I agree about Paglia....

I don't recall reading her books, but have read lots of her articles and essays, like this from the WSj....fits here, speaking of cultural values:

"'What you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide," says Camille Paglia.... the diminished status of military service. "The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster," she says. "These people don't think in military ways, so there's this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we're just nice and benevolent to everyone they'll be nice too. They literally don't have any sense of evil or criminality." The Weekend Interview With Camille Paglia: A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues - WSJ.com

 

[JoeB131]

Joe is a worthless waste of protoplasm and it knows it is a worthless waste of proposal.

Rather than work on elevating itself to something approaching human, all it does is hate the entirety of its culture with a vengeance.

It supports anything as long as that entity opposes us.

Guy, I'm a veteran. I've done more for this society than you EVER will.

I just ask the question- why are we constantly fighting wars in the Middle East? These aren't industrial powerhouses like Nazi Germany or the USSR.

They are impoverished countries that have stuff we want, and we complain when they fight back against just handing it over

 

[badger2]

Yes, one of the fundamentalist pathologies is found in the mechanism of the ignore function, which underscores the idea that intelligence always comes after. It's best when it does and only when it does. Beware the self-castrating ambiguity of the ignore function.

 

[SweetSue92]

Joe is a worthless waste of protoplasm and it knows it is a worthless waste of proposal.

Rather than work on elevating itself to something approaching human, all it does is hate the entirety of its culture with a vengeance.

It supports anything as long as that entity opposes us.

Guy, I'm a veteran. I've done more for this society than you EVER will.

I just ask the question- why are we constantly fighting wars in the Middle East? These aren't industrial powerhouses like Nazi Germany or the USSR.

They are impoverished countries that have stuff we want, and we complain when they fight back against just handing it over

I would submit to my fellow conservatives that Joe is another reason we need to take a few steps back from Honor the Troops and etc, which I have felt uncomfortable with for a few years now. YES, the military is an honorable profession, YES, we should honor their sacrifice, and YES, we need them. But holy moly. Not all of them are heroes.

Okay, back to the OP.

 

[Bush92]

While gratitude is known as the most important of virtues, courage is the rarest.



1.One of the greatest of disappointments is the latest version of character of the British public. As noted by Melanie Phillips, none other than Sayed Qutb, a founder of violent Islamism, correctly criticizes British society, thus:

“…perception of Western decadence. British Muslims are overwhelmingly horrified and disgusted by the louche and dissolute behavior of a Britain that has torn up the notion of respectability. They observe the alcoholism, drug abuse and pornography, the breakdown of family life and the encouragement of promiscuity, and find themselves therefore in opposition to their host society's guiding values. What they are recoiling from, of course, is the breakdown of Western values. After a visit to the United States in 1948, Sayed Qutb wrote: "Humanity today is living in a large brothel!" Similarly, British Muslims have concluded that the society that expects them to identify with it is a moral cesspit. Is it any wonder, therefore, that they reject it?”

Muslims, therefore, have a religious duty to change Britain into an Islamic society.
And the British public, having abandoned their heritage, belief in their religion, and their backbone, are not willing to put up a strong resistance to same.



2. Well, not all Brits.

George Leonard Carey, Baron Carey of Clifton, the retired Anglican bishop who was the Archbishop of Canterbury, gave quite a speech on the subject of “Christianity and Islam,” "Christianity and Islam", Collision or Convergence - by George Carey | VirtueOnline – The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism

“…wherever we look, Islam seems to be embroiled in conflict with other faiths and other cultures. It is in opposition to practically every other world religion- to Judaism in the Middle East; to Christianity in the West, in Nigeria, and in the Middle East; to Hinduism in India; to Buddhism, especially since the destruction of the Temples in Afghanistan.

We are presented therefore with a huge puzzle concerning Islam. Why is it associated with violence throughout the world?


Listen to Samuel Huntington, one of the most important voices in these matters in recent days. In 1993 he published a controversial essay entitled ‘The Clash of Civilisations’. His thesis was that the collapse of communism signalled the end of ideological battles of the political kind. Western capitalism was now dominant. The next battle he claimed will be the clash of cultures, with Islamic and Christian civilisations separating the world.

In 1997 he published a book of the same name, modifying the thesis but retaining the underlying argument that a clash between two great cultures was inevitable. In an extraordinary claim he insisted: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power”.

What are the reasons for Islam’s association with terrorism and death?”


Is it possible for Islam to change?

What can I say? Keep hammering down Chic!

 

[PoliticalChic]

I've moved you beyond "stupid" to the category of "idiot" now.

1. The picture says CABUL. Afghanistan?

2. Sure, Joe, it's our fault about the burkas....it's so sad to watch some adults get old but remain chronically idiotic.

Uh, sweetie, there's no "Cabul", there's a "Kabul".

Um, yeah, burkhas were entirely our fault. We armed the craziest people we could find, and then wondered why they turned out so bad.

It is a transliteration, you dunce.

Basically any spelling in our alphabet is acceptable.


I can't spend as much time educating you as you need......the fundamentalist Islamofascists forced burkas on women.


Pakistan created the Taliban. Pakistan was founded with an Islamic character. When Bangladesh broke away it was due to ethnic diversity, and the Pakistanis remembered this.

So when Afghanistan needed aid after the Russian invasion, they only supported Islamic groups, and thus the secular and nationalist factions whithered on the vine.

The Pakistani Army would rather make deals with the Talibani factions than fight them, but if push comes to shove, they will repel them: recall the Red Mosque events.



The real threat for the Pakistanis is, and always will be, India. Watch the elections.



Amazing....you know less than nothing, yet blow hot air in every thread.


Please get lost.

 

[SweetSue92]

While gratitude is known as the most important of virtues, courage is the rarest.



1.One of the greatest of disappointments is the latest version of character of the British public. As noted by Melanie Phillips, none other than Sayed Qutb, a founder of violent Islamism, correctly criticizes British society, thus:

“…perception of Western decadence. British Muslims are overwhelmingly horrified and disgusted by the louche and dissolute behavior of a Britain that has torn up the notion of respectability. They observe the alcoholism, drug abuse and pornography, the breakdown of family life and the encouragement of promiscuity, and find themselves therefore in opposition to their host society's guiding values. What they are recoiling from, of course, is the breakdown of Western values. After a visit to the United States in 1948, Sayed Qutb wrote: "Humanity today is living in a large brothel!" Similarly, British Muslims have concluded that the society that expects them to identify with it is a moral cesspit. Is it any wonder, therefore, that they reject it?”

Muslims, therefore, have a religious duty to change Britain into an Islamic society.
And the British public, having abandoned their heritage, belief in their religion, and their backbone, are not willing to put up a strong resistance to same.



2. Well, not all Brits.

George Leonard Carey, Baron Carey of Clifton, the retired Anglican bishop who was the Archbishop of Canterbury, gave quite a speech on the subject of “Christianity and Islam,” "Christianity and Islam", Collision or Convergence - by George Carey | VirtueOnline – The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism

“…wherever we look, Islam seems to be embroiled in conflict with other faiths and other cultures. It is in opposition to practically every other world religion- to Judaism in the Middle East; to Christianity in the West, in Nigeria, and in the Middle East; to Hinduism in India; to Buddhism, especially since the destruction of the Temples in Afghanistan.

We are presented therefore with a huge puzzle concerning Islam. Why is it associated with violence throughout the world?


Listen to Samuel Huntington, one of the most important voices in these matters in recent days. In 1993 he published a controversial essay entitled ‘The Clash of Civilisations’. His thesis was that the collapse of communism signalled the end of ideological battles of the political kind. Western capitalism was now dominant. The next battle he claimed will be the clash of cultures, with Islamic and Christian civilisations separating the world.

In 1997 he published a book of the same name, modifying the thesis but retaining the underlying argument that a clash between two great cultures was inevitable. In an extraordinary claim he insisted: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power”.

What are the reasons for Islam’s association with terrorism and death?”


Is it possible for Islam to change?

Really excellent food for thought--thanks for sharing. From this Christian's perspective, it will be a tough uphill climb for Islam to live alongside the West IF they plan to truly engage or share the culture.

Islam is a religion of works. Not drinking, not smoking, being modest, praying five times a day, not eating or eating--this is basically the fundamentals of their religion. So when Muslims seek to export their religion they want to see others engage in these behaviors. Not so for Christians: we are a religion of belief, not works. Sure, we don't want to see people out fornicating, taking drugs and etc, but we generally leave the judgment to God (or think we should at any rate).

How those two ever peacefully coincide?

???

I would say both religions share another element that you did not mention.. both have followers that have their own personal beliefs and practices while respecting others people’s right to live how they want to live and both have followers that try and push their beliefs onto others while passing judgement on those that do not follow suit.

My personal observations have shown far more people falling in the first category for both religions.

Then it would behoove you to look at those beliefs carefully when you are around those people, would it not?

For instance, maybe compare Mohammad vs. Jesus.

Why would it behoove me to look at their beliefs carefully?

Um. Really???

You just agreed that a great number of religious people, in your estimation, want to foist their religious beliefs on you, and that "in your personal experience"...no less. So you are around these people. But you think remaining ignorant about their beliefs is a good game plan?

When someone wants to foist their beliefs on me I sure want to know what they are.

 

[JoeB131]

Idiot Joe, that's how it's spelled in Hebrew and how it was spelled in older times.

Oh... So you are citing a Zionist source for this supposed picture of Afghan Girls in mini-skirts?

The verses Joe would quote would be verses of specific people God was judging in the Old Testament...NOT all unbelievers or disbelievers. It applied to a small group in the OT and would apply to NO ONE now.

Ah, the good old, "But that's the OLD testament" when the bible says to do something that we'd consider completely unacceptable now... even if Jesus never countermanded it like Slavery or Homophobia.