- Oct 22, 2012
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What.,..did you tell the cop who picked you up for speeding, that it doesn’t matter if the driver is responsible or the car just naturally went too fast.Probably all true but it still doesn't matter if the rise has accelerated faster due to man’s activity or if is 100% natural. The effects are the same.It matters because the rise has accelerated faster due to man’s activity. A slower rate of change over thousands of years, is no big deal. We adjust easily. That same change over decades is very costly and more damaging to adjust to.I would be easier if we just used more recent times:Do you realize how many different mechanisms and drivers there were over this period of time? Can you please try to make an honest argument. Start from this curve here...As you can see, level changes can be naturally very extreme. Similar changes today would be catastrophic. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF SEA LEVEL RISES DUE TO MAN OR NOT!~75 mm or 2.95 in. Which is exactly ~75 mm or 2.95 in of what it would have been if man never existed.What has been the rise in the last 25 years?Storm surges are typically in the 5 to 10 ft range. You are equating a 3 mm/yr rise in sea level - which has been occurring for the last 6,000 years and before that was occurring at a much greater rate - to surge produced by a hurricane?NYC has been extensively reclaimed from the sea so it's coast is now man-made. I do know that it suffered some major flooding when hit by a hurricane a few years ago, the first I recall. They are now spending billions to secure a small part of the city. Not every city can afford to do that.You didn't answer my question ... do you agree we should substantially increase our CO2 emissions for the humanitarian purposes that would serve? ...First, I have no idea how you connect sea level rise to firewood. Do you?
That's why we replenish the beach sand there on a regular basis ... we have maps of the coastline from the Revolutionary War ... and we've seen 2 feet sea level rise since then ... and it "may" erode a mile of coastline in a few places, so maybe find out the exact relationship if you're such an expert and coastal erosion ... are you seriously suggesting New York City was two miles removed from the ocean when it was founded? ...Second, you have no background in the dynamics of coastlines like those of the US East Coast. Every inch of sea level rise will act to push the barrier islands inland and flood the coastal plains. A rise of a foot may translate to a mile of lost land (I don't know the exact relationship). That is one mile all along the thousand of miles of US coasts. Sea walls will only be a temporary solution.
Not a problem on The West Coast ... where mountains meet the sea ...
Have you even looked at a topographical map of New York to visualize what a one foot rise in sea level actually means?
Looks to me 1/2 of Brooklyn and Long Island may disappear.
I think you should look again if you think 1/2 of Brooklyn and Long Island would be submerged by a 1 ft rise in sea level.
I never said 1/2 of Brooklyn would be submerged, I said it would disappear. A subtle but important difference.
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Maybe you can answer a question, why does it matter what the causes are?
Of course it mattees. If it’s man made, we have the opportunity to slow the rate of change. How long did you sleep in science class ?