The price of freedom 153,000 deaths in 14 years.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Like free speech or exercise of religion? Maybe for voting?

How many people have been killed by free speech or by exercise of religion or voting?
And by the by there are controls for voting : you must have the proper age and be a US citizen ( and more controls existed in the past : you had to be male, white and a land owner ).

How many people have been killed by free speech or by exercise of religion or voting?

The same number who were killed by the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[CultureCitizen]

Sensitive topic. While terrorists have caused up to 4,000 deaths, local guns have caused 153,000 deaths in 14 years.
It's a rather high price for freedom, gun controll laws simply don't seem to work. Maybe it's just the price it has to be paid, just as car accidents are the price for having cars.

How many million aborted children? Doctors have killed through accident or neglect well over 1,680,000 deaths in that same time period. Tell you what. You get the doctor kill rate down to the gun kill rate and then we can talk. I'll let you keep killing children all for the price of freedom. Deal?

Completely off topic, but for your information : I respect all life forms with a central nervous system. Hence I have no problem for any abortion method which kills the embryo before day 22 ( e.g. day after pill) which is the time when the brain starts to form.
I find morally unacceptable and cruel to kill an embryo after that.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It's a rather high price for freedom,

That's absurd since all 300 million of us would die rather than give up our freedom to a Stalin liberal type.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Yes, honestly I hate weapons, but I understand why owning a gun was part of the Constitution.

why hate weapons when we won our freedom with them ?? why part of Constitution? Just because we won our freedom with our own personal guns?

 

[Defiant1]

Sensitive topic. While terrorists have caused up to 4,000 deaths, local guns have caused 153,000 deaths in 14 years.
It's a rather high price for freedom, gun controll laws simply don't seem to work. Maybe it's just the price it has to be paid, just as car accidents are the price for having cars.

It's a rather high price for freedom

Here in Chicago, we lacked that freedom for a time. I don't remember the gun deaths dropping to zero.
Or even dropping.

Probably banning is not correct, but even to drive a car you have to go through a procedure and pass some checks, I think the same could apply for guns at a national level. So :
1) You get a test and pass the controls
2) You pass the test
3) You get a license issued . And just as you need a different license for different purposes your license only covers certan types of weapons ( you can upgrade any time you like ) .
4) You can only purchase your gun if you have the appropiate license type.

You don't issue a driving license to a blind , nor should you issue a license to someone with a clear mental problem.

Your thoughts ?

How about those same things for:
journalists
writers
artists
protesters
community organizers
priest
pastors
voters

 

[Meathead]

I think we need to ask ourselves how many defenseless people have governments killed. Polish Jews were able to resist in the Warsaw ghettos exactly because they were able to defend themselves.

Some expect people to trust the American government far more than the founding fathers did when they formulated the 2nd Amendment.

 

[g5000]

Sensitive topic. While terrorists have caused up to 4,000 deaths...

Hell, we killed more than that with our bare hands just between 2007 - 2011!

Terrorists are wussies.

 

[g5000]

Sensitive topic. While terrorists have caused up to 4,000 deaths...

We killed MORE THAN TWICE as many people with knives between 2007 - 2011.

Terrorists are wussies.

 

[g5000]

You wanna cure crime? Cure poverty. That would put a much bigger dent in homicides and other violent crimes, and property crimes, than gun control would.

 

[g5000]

Come to America. You piss us off, we'll shoot ya! We'll stab ya! We'll choke ya ta death! We'll hit you over the head with a golf club. We'll murderize the shit out of you.

Then we'll whine about how violent Muslims are. YEEEEEEEEE-HAAAWWWWWWW!

 

[Meathead]

You wanna cure crime? Cure poverty. That would put a much bigger dent in homicides and other violent crimes, and property crimes, than gun control would.

Yeah, LBJ's Great Society has been a great success.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You wanna cure crime? Cure poverty. That would put a much bigger dent in homicides and other violent crimes, and property crimes, than gun control would.

1) Liberals are too stupid to allow that. China just eliminated 40% of the world's poverty with capitalism but liberals are too proud to acknowledge it so we are moving in the opposite direction toward socialism. How stupid is that?

2) China was very very poor but had no crime to speak of. America's poor are often criminal because liberals teach them to be.

 

[g5000]

2) China was very very poor but had no crime to speak of.

Mass purges and a "Cultural Revolution" have a funny way of achieving that.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

2) China was very very poor but had no crime to speak of.

Mass purges and a "Cultural Revolution" have a funny way of achieving that.

why attribute it to that rather than the basic respect for people and family that has been an integral part of Chinese society for 1000 years

 

[BluesLegend]

Sensitive topic. While terrorists have caused up to 4,000 deaths, local guns have caused 153,000 deaths in 14 years.

Why do you lie, guns didn't cause anyone's death.

 

[CultureCitizen]

Sensitive topic. While terrorists have caused up to 4,000 deaths, local guns have caused 153,000 deaths in 14 years.

Why do you lie, guns didn't cause anyone's death.

That must be a quote from American Dad ... oh here it is.

 

[BluesLegend]

Sensitive topic. While terrorists have caused up to 4,000 deaths, local guns have caused 153,000 deaths in 14 years.

Why do you lie, guns didn't cause anyone's death.

That must be a quote from American Dad ... oh here it is.

Sorry to destroy your stupid ass thread with the truth, I imagine that happens to you a lot. Here's a tip, don't be stupid.

 

[CultureCitizen]

Sensitive topic. While terrorists have caused up to 4,000 deaths, local guns have caused 153,000 deaths in 14 years.

Why do you lie, guns didn't cause anyone's death.

That must be a quote from American Dad ... oh here it is.

Sorry to destroy your stupid ass thread with the truth, I imagine that happens to you a lot. Here's a tip, don't be stupid.

Ajem, that was just a shorthand for : "local American bearing guns" have caused 153,000 deaths.... etc
By the by:
1) Threads have no ass.
2) You can't destroy the thread unless you are a moderator.
3) Sory for destroying your stupid conceptions about threads, I imagine that happens to you a lot. Here's a tip: don't be stupid.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Sensitive topic. While terrorists have caused up to 4,000 deaths, local guns have caused 153,000 deaths in 14 years.

Why do you lie, guns didn't cause anyone's death.

That must be a quote from American Dad ... oh here it is.

Sorry to destroy your stupid ass thread with the truth, I imagine that happens to you a lot. Here's a tip, don't be stupid.

Ajem, that was just a shorthand for : "local American bearing guns" have caused 153,000 deaths.... etc
By the by:
1) Threads have no ass.
2) You can't destroy the thread unless you are a moderator.
3) Sory for destroying your stupid conceptions about threads, I imagine that happens to you a lot. Here's a tip: don't be stupid.

culture creep is the one being stupid for starting thread about guns but offering no solution

 

[BluesLegend]

Sensitive topic. While terrorists have caused up to 4,000 deaths, local guns have caused 153,000 deaths in 14 years.

Why do you lie, guns didn't cause anyone's death.

That must be a quote from American Dad ... oh here it is.

Sorry to destroy your stupid ass thread with the truth, I imagine that happens to you a lot. Here's a tip, don't be stupid.

Ajem, that was just a shorthand for : "local American bearing guns" have caused 153,000 deaths.... etc
By the by:
1) Threads have no ass.
2) You can't destroy the thread unless you are a moderator.
3) Sory for destroying your stupid conceptions about threads, I imagine that happens to you a lot. Here's a tip: don't be stupid.

Trust me your thread is destroyed, just let me do your thinking for you since you seem incapable of rational thought.