The Perfect Tide: Sea Level and the Future of South Florida

[ScienceRocks]

The Perfect Tide: Sea Level and the Future of South Florida



Some of the high tide flooding going on in Miami is shocking. It seriously wouldn't need to rise very much more to make this place unlivable.

 

[westwall]

All of which has been known for DECADES. The problem with Miami, and ALL of the east coast beaches is the dams that have been built up on the rivers and streams that used to feed the beaches. That sand source was cut off and immediately the beaches began to disappear. Heres a educational film from 1965 that describes the problem. Geez matthew, it's called science, and it's not a mystery.

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right...

... dey gonna be up to dey's butts...

... in alligators."

 

[Tehon]

All of which has been known for DECADES. The problem with Miami, and ALL of the east coast beaches is the dams that have been built up on the rivers and streams that used to feed the beaches. That sand source was cut off and immediately the beaches began to disappear. Heres a educational film from 1965 that describes the problem. Geez matthew, it's called science, and it's not a mystery.

The water intrusion in Miami is from water that comes up thru the porous limestone, it isn't washing over the beach. Trump could build a dam along the ocean front and it would not stop the flooding.

 

[Old Rocks]

All of which has been known for DECADES. The problem with Miami, and ALL of the east coast beaches is the dams that have been built up on the rivers and streams that used to feed the beaches. That sand source was cut off and immediately the beaches began to disappear. Heres a educational film from 1965 that describes the problem. Geez matthew, it's called science, and it's not a mystery.

Oh my, how you would like to change the topic. Sea level is causing the present problem. A rising sea level. That more sand is not being added to the beaches is a problem for the beaches, and has nothing to do with the inland flooding that Florida is now experiancing.

 

[westwall]

All of which has been known for DECADES. The problem with Miami, and ALL of the east coast beaches is the dams that have been built up on the rivers and streams that used to feed the beaches. That sand source was cut off and immediately the beaches began to disappear. Heres a educational film from 1965 that describes the problem. Geez matthew, it's called science, and it's not a mystery.

Oh my, how you would like to change the topic. Sea level is causing the present problem. A rising sea level. That more sand is not being added to the beaches is a problem for the beaches, and has nothing to do with the inland flooding that Florida is now experiancing.

The sea level has gone up maybe 7 millimeters since the time that the movie was produced. You are simply full of shit olfraud.

 

[Old Rocks]

Florida and the Rising Sea
By Ben Strauss

Note: First published in the Miami Herald

Florida is in the crosshairs of climate change. Rising seas, a population crowded along the coast, porous bedrock, and the relatively common occurrence of tropical storms put more real estate and people at risk from storm surges aggravated by sea level rise in Florida, than any other state by far.

Some 2.4 million people and 1.3 million homes, nearly half the risk nationwide, sit within 4 feet of the local high tide line. Sea level rise is more than doubling the risk of a storm surge at this level in South Florida by 2030. For the hundreds of thousands of Floridians holding 30-year mortgages, that date is not far off in the future.

The world’s oceans are already rising, thanks to global warming. Global average sea level has gone up about 8 inches since 1880. In South Florida, taxpayers are already paying the price for climate change as salt water pushes through porous bedrock into coastal drinking-water supplies, and rivers and canals choked by heavy rains have a harder time draining into the ocean. A recent Florida Atlantic University study estimated that just 6 more inches of sea level rise — very plausible within two decades — would cripple about half of South Florida’s flood control capacity.

It’s now, not later, for sea level rise in South Florida.

Florida and the Rising Sea | Surging Seas: Sea level rise analysis by Climate Central

People in that area have homes that are now still valued at over 4% less than they were ten years ago. In the meantime, for the rest of the nation, homes have recovered over 25% of there value.

 

[Old Rocks]

Miami Beach is one of the nation's cities most vulnerable to climate change — and its leaders are doing something about it. The city, a national leader in addressing climate, has begun to make improvements aimed at protecting residents from rising sea levels.

In South Florida, the rate of sea-level rise has tripled over the last decade, according to a new study from the University of Miami. The rising seas raise questions for many about whether the resort community has a future. Officials there say the answer is emphatically yes and they're moving ahead with plans for a resilient city.

The small city on a barrier island, just 7 miles long and 1 mile wide, is getting a makeover. Major thoroughfares are being rebuilt, new storm sewers and pumps are being installed. Miami Beach Mayor Philip Levine likes to show off work recently completed in the Sunset Harbor neighborhood on the western edge of the island, "the lowest area of our city," he says, "which of course was developed on muck."

Over the last decade, flooding during high tide in this and other neighborhoods along Miami Beach's western edge has become a regular occurrence. The University of Miami study confirms that the main reason for the increased flood events is sea-level rise. While some elected officials, including Florida's Republican Gov. Rick Scott, aren't ready to acknowledge the threat posed by climate change, here in Miami Beach, it was an issue that helped get Levine elected. "I think I did a campaign commercial in a kayak," he says.

As Waters Rise, Miami Beach Builds Higher Streets And Political Willpower

Mr. Westwall, you remain such an unrepentant liar. All of Florida is facing a crisis, one that will result in trillions of dollars loss in real estate values.

 

[Old Rocks]

An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

"That could even be a low number," says Stephen Tilbrook, an environmental lawyer based in Fort Lauderdale. "We haven't developed an understanding for a lot of impacts of sea level rise yet."

For years, experts have speculated that rising waters will instigate another housing crisis. Of course, the shock of a sea-level-induced market crash will be felt the worst in Florida, where one in eight houses is at risk of being at least partially underwater if sea levels rise six feet by 2100. There has been some discussion about brokers considering the effects of sea level rise before issuing 30-year mortgages and realtors disclosing flood risk to potential buyers.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

I think that is a far too optimistic estimate of the real estate losses that are going to happen in Florida due to sea level rise. There will be a great many people that will simply walk away from their mortgages, and land that is low, but not flooded at that time will loose most of it's value.

 

[westwall]

An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

"That could even be a low number," says Stephen Tilbrook, an environmental lawyer based in Fort Lauderdale. "We haven't developed an understanding for a lot of impacts of sea level rise yet."

For years, experts have speculated that rising waters will instigate another housing crisis. Of course, the shock of a sea-level-induced market crash will be felt the worst in Florida, where one in eight houses is at risk of being at least partially underwater if sea levels rise six feet by 2100. There has been some discussion about brokers considering the effects of sea level rise before issuing 30-year mortgages and realtors disclosing flood risk to potential buyers.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

I think that is a far too optimistic estimate of the real estate losses that are going to happen in Florida due to sea level rise. There will be a great many people that will simply walk away from their mortgages, and land that is low, but not flooded at that time will loose most of it's value.

"COULD"

 

[Crick]

If you walk blindly across a busy road, you COULD get hit by a car

If you go swimming in heavy surf with strong undertow, you COULD drown.

If you close your eyes while driving your car, you COULD have an accident.

So WTF are you trying to say?

 

[westwall]

If you walk blindly across a busy road, you COULD get hit by a car

If you go swimming in heavy surf with strong undertow, you COULD drown.

If you close your eyes while driving your car, you COULD have an accident.

So WTF are you trying to say?

And the reality is that PROBABLY nothing will happen. See the difference between "could" and "PROBABLY"?

 

[Old Rocks]

An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

"That could even be a low number," says Stephen Tilbrook, an environmental lawyer based in Fort Lauderdale. "We haven't developed an understanding for a lot of impacts of sea level rise yet."

For years, experts have speculated that rising waters will instigate another housing crisis. Of course, the shock of a sea-level-induced market crash will be felt the worst in Florida, where one in eight houses is at risk of being at least partially underwater if sea levels rise six feet by 2100. There has been some discussion about brokers considering the effects of sea level rise before issuing 30-year mortgages and realtors disclosing flood risk to potential buyers.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

I think that is a far too optimistic estimate of the real estate losses that are going to happen in Florida due to sea level rise. There will be a great many people that will simply walk away from their mortgages, and land that is low, but not flooded at that time will loose most of it's value.

"COULD"

In South Florida, the rate of sea-level rise has tripled over the last decade, according to a new study from the University of Miami.

As Waters Rise, Miami Beach Builds Higher Streets And Political Willpower

Will happen.

 

[westwall]

An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

"That could even be a low number," says Stephen Tilbrook, an environmental lawyer based in Fort Lauderdale. "We haven't developed an understanding for a lot of impacts of sea level rise yet."

For years, experts have speculated that rising waters will instigate another housing crisis. Of course, the shock of a sea-level-induced market crash will be felt the worst in Florida, where one in eight houses is at risk of being at least partially underwater if sea levels rise six feet by 2100. There has been some discussion about brokers considering the effects of sea level rise before issuing 30-year mortgages and realtors disclosing flood risk to potential buyers.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

I think that is a far too optimistic estimate of the real estate losses that are going to happen in Florida due to sea level rise. There will be a great many people that will simply walk away from their mortgages, and land that is low, but not flooded at that time will loose most of it's value.

"COULD"

In South Florida, the rate of sea-level rise has tripled over the last decade, according to a new study from the University of Miami.

As Waters Rise, Miami Beach Builds Higher Streets And Political Willpower

Will happen.

Wow. Would you look at that. They used MEDIA REPORTS and INSURANCE CLAIMS to "quantify" their "study". And you claim this is science. Get real...


"To quantify the flood hazard in Miami Beach, the UM Rosenstiel School researchers analyzed tide and rain-gauge records, media reports, insurance claims, and photos of flooding events on Miami Beach and in Miami since 2006. The insurance claims and media reports helped the researchers pinpoint the date and type of flood events."

 

[Old Rocks]

New Study Shows Increased Flooding, Accelerated Sea-Level Rise in Miami Over Last Decade
Researchers suggest using local sea-level rise projections to better protect community from coastal floods

MIAMI—A new University of Miami (UM) Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science-led study found that Miami Beach flood events have significantly increased over the last decade due to an acceleration of sea-level rise in South Florida. The researchers suggest that regional sea-level projections should be used in place of global projections to better prepare for future flood hazards in the region.

To quantify the flood hazard in Miami Beach, the UM Rosenstiel School researchers analyzed tide and rain-gauge records, media reports, insurance claims, and photos of flooding events on Miami Beach and in Miami since 2006. The insurance claims and media reports helped the researchers pinpoint the date and type of flood events.

“Our results show that the effect of sea-level rise is real and affecting the daily life of people living in low-lying coastal communities, such as Miami Beach,” said Shimon Wdowinski, UM Rosenstiel School research professor of marine geosciences, and lead author of the study.

The results showed that the flooding frequency in Miami Beach has significantly increased after 2006 mainly due to increasing number of high-tide flooding events. The increased flooding frequency coincides with acceleration in the rate of sea level rise in South Florida. The average rate of sea-level rise increased by 6 millimeters per year over the last decade - from 3 millimeters per year before 2006 to 9 millimeters per year after 2006.

The study also provides new evidence that connects the weakening of the Gulf Stream with sea-level rise along the US Atlantic coast.
Florida is one of the most vulnerable areas to sea-level rise due to its low elevation, large population concentrations, and economic importance. Accelerated rates of sea-level rise have caused a significant increase in flooding frequency in several coastal communities in Florida.

New Study Shows Increased Flooding, Accelerated Sea-Level Rise in Miami Over Last Decade | The Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science at the University of Miami

Why yes, media and insurance claims, as well as tide and rain gauge records, and photos of the flooding events. And that is scientific. But you will use any method to try to change the subject. The sea level rise has increased in South Florida from 3 millimeters per year to 9 millimeters per year. So in two decades the rise there will almost match the full rise of the last century. Provided the rise does not accelerate even more.

 

[Tehon]

An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

"That could even be a low number," says Stephen Tilbrook, an environmental lawyer based in Fort Lauderdale. "We haven't developed an understanding for a lot of impacts of sea level rise yet."

For years, experts have speculated that rising waters will instigate another housing crisis. Of course, the shock of a sea-level-induced market crash will be felt the worst in Florida, where one in eight houses is at risk of being at least partially underwater if sea levels rise six feet by 2100. There has been some discussion about brokers considering the effects of sea level rise before issuing 30-year mortgages and realtors disclosing flood risk to potential buyers.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

I think that is a far too optimistic estimate of the real estate losses that are going to happen in Florida due to sea level rise. There will be a great many people that will simply walk away from their mortgages, and land that is low, but not flooded at that time will loose most of it's value.

"COULD"

In South Florida, the rate of sea-level rise has tripled over the last decade, according to a new study from the University of Miami.

As Waters Rise, Miami Beach Builds Higher Streets And Political Willpower

Will happen.

Wow. Would you look at that. They used MEDIA REPORTS and INSURANCE CLAIMS to "quantify" their "study". And you claim this is science. Get real...


"To quantify the flood hazard in Miami Beach, the UM Rosenstiel School researchers analyzed tide and rain-gauge records, media reports, insurance claims, and photos of flooding events on Miami Beach and in Miami since 2006. The insurance claims and media reports helped the researchers pinpoint the date and type of flood events."

Didn't you already disqualify yourself from this discussion when you claimed beach erosion was at fault. You are obviously biased on this issue and appear to be just flinging feces at the wall in hope that something will stick. This is a real problem for people in Florida that needs real solutions.

 

[Crick]

If you walk blindly across a busy road, you COULD get hit by a car

If you go swimming in heavy surf with strong undertow, you COULD drown.

If you close your eyes while driving your car, you COULD have an accident.

So WTF are you trying to say?

And the reality is that PROBABLY nothing will happen. See the difference between "could" and "PROBABLY"?

I see the difference between the conclusions of a scientific study in the natural sciences and an idiot who, even after years of 'debate' here, still lacks the absolute basics in the way of understanding the scientific method and the natural sciences.

 

[Billy_Bob]

An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

"That could even be a low number," says Stephen Tilbrook, an environmental lawyer based in Fort Lauderdale. "We haven't developed an understanding for a lot of impacts of sea level rise yet."

For years, experts have speculated that rising waters will instigate another housing crisis. Of course, the shock of a sea-level-induced market crash will be felt the worst in Florida, where one in eight houses is at risk of being at least partially underwater if sea levels rise six feet by 2100. There has been some discussion about brokers considering the effects of sea level rise before issuing 30-year mortgages and realtors disclosing flood risk to potential buyers.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

I think that is a far too optimistic estimate of the real estate losses that are going to happen in Florida due to sea level rise. There will be a great many people that will simply walk away from their mortgages, and land that is low, but not flooded at that time will loose most of it's value.

"COULD"

In South Florida, the rate of sea-level rise has tripled over the last decade, according to a new study from the University of Miami.

As Waters Rise, Miami Beach Builds Higher Streets And Political Willpower

Will happen.

Let me see.. porous bed rock which allows water seepage and allows dirt to be removed causing land subsidence... Ponds and other water storage, up stream to these cities, allowing centralized water flow through the porous bedrock on which they are built..

You really should read your own studies... Moron...

One does not have to look to far into these studies to see the real causes.. and they dance around them rather than look at them head on... This is called agenda driven propaganda and not science..

 

[westwall]

An underwater home typically refers to a mortgage that is higher than the property's value. But as rising seas are expected to increasingly flood South Florida, scientists and economists have warned that the term might be taken literally one day.

A new study recently released by Zillow, the online real estate database, has quantified the effect of sea level rise on property values, and the findings are startling: $413 billion worth of properties are at risk of being at least partially submerged in Florida by 2100 — the most of any state, accounting for half of the nation's total projected $882 billion worth of property at risk of being flooded.

"That could even be a low number," says Stephen Tilbrook, an environmental lawyer based in Fort Lauderdale. "We haven't developed an understanding for a lot of impacts of sea level rise yet."

For years, experts have speculated that rising waters will instigate another housing crisis. Of course, the shock of a sea-level-induced market crash will be felt the worst in Florida, where one in eight houses is at risk of being at least partially underwater if sea levels rise six feet by 2100. There has been some discussion about brokers considering the effects of sea level rise before issuing 30-year mortgages and realtors disclosing flood risk to potential buyers.

Sea Level Rise Could Cost Florida $400 Billion in Property Loss

I think that is a far too optimistic estimate of the real estate losses that are going to happen in Florida due to sea level rise. There will be a great many people that will simply walk away from their mortgages, and land that is low, but not flooded at that time will loose most of it's value.

"COULD"

In South Florida, the rate of sea-level rise has tripled over the last decade, according to a new study from the University of Miami.

As Waters Rise, Miami Beach Builds Higher Streets And Political Willpower

Will happen.

Wow. Would you look at that. They used MEDIA REPORTS and INSURANCE CLAIMS to "quantify" their "study". And you claim this is science. Get real...


"To quantify the flood hazard in Miami Beach, the UM Rosenstiel School researchers analyzed tide and rain-gauge records, media reports, insurance claims, and photos of flooding events on Miami Beach and in Miami since 2006. The insurance claims and media reports helped the researchers pinpoint the date and type of flood events."

Didn't you already disqualify yourself from this discussion when you claimed beach erosion was at fault. You are obviously biased on this issue and appear to be just flinging feces at the wall in hope that something will stick. This is a real problem for people in Florida that needs real solutions.

I agree it is a real problem. A problem that has been known about for decades. It is a combination of factors and sea level rise isn't one of them.

 

[Crick]

And why is that?