The only people who continue to promote wind/solar are those who are ignorant of basic physics. Only nuclear can produce the levels of energy we need

[Crick]

If they spent more on education, maybe they'd realize 40 cents is more than 16 cents?

I'd say "nice try", but it wasn't. Europe is full of socialized democracies who are quite happy with what they spend for what they receive. They are much happier with their healthcare than people in the US.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'd say "nice try", but it wasn't. Europe is full of socialized democracies who are quite happy with what they spend for what they receive. They are much happier with their healthcare than people in the US.

I know, low-income Germans LOVE to pay so much more for unreliable energy.

 

[Crick]

I know, low-income Germans LOVE to pay so much more for unreliable energy.

What low-income Germans? What unreliable energy? Do you have links to support either of those?

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According to the OECD Better Life Index, the average household net adjusted disposable income per capita in Germany is USD 38,971, which is higher than the OECD average of USD 30,490.

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The US power grid is generally reliable, with the average customer experiencing less than two power outages per year, totaling less than five hours. This represents a reliability of 99.95%. However, there are some challenges to the reliability of the US power grid, including:


Power supply in Germany in 2022: Supply reliability at a very high level. In 2022, the average power interruption per customer was only 10.6 minutes. Weather-related disruptions occurred only to a minor extent. Power supply in Germany remains one of the most reliable in the world in 2022.

Power supply in Germany in 2022: Supply reliability at a very high level

In 2022, the average power interruption per customer was only 10.6 minutes. Weather-related disruptions occurred only to a minor extent. Power supply in Germany remains one of the most reliable in the world in 2022.

www.vde.com

 

[Mac-7]

Only nuclear can produce the levels of energy we need​

Hear! Hear!

Its too bad that libs are so afraid of the atom

 

[Crick]

Only nuclear can produce the levels of energy we need​

Hear! Hear!

Its too bad that libs are so afraid of the atom

I support nuclear power. And why do you say "only nuclear can produce the levels of energy we need"? Who says so?

 

[there4eyeM]

The levels of electricity used are not a measure of need. Gluttony has to end before any real progress can be made on the environmental front.

 

[Crick]

I support nuclear power. And why do you say "only nuclear can produce the levels of energy we need"? Who says so?

Of course. No one says so.

 

[lantern2814]

The storage capacity isn't near what it would need to be. There's just no way to produce the amount of energy needed, and then store some for cloudy, rainy days (solar) or hot days with no wind (wind power).

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What low-income Germans? What unreliable energy? Do you have links to support either of those?

AI Overview
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According to the OECD Better Life Index, the average household net adjusted disposable income per capita in Germany is USD 38,971, which is higher than the OECD average of USD 30,490.

AI Overview

The US power grid is generally reliable, with the average customer experiencing less than two power outages per year, totaling less than five hours. This represents a reliability of 99.95%. However, there are some challenges to the reliability of the US power grid, including:


Power supply in Germany in 2022: Supply reliability at a very high level. In 2022, the average power interruption per customer was only 10.6 minutes. Weather-related disruptions occurred only to a minor extent. Power supply in Germany remains one of the most reliable in the world in 2022.

Power supply in Germany in 2022: Supply reliability at a very high level

In 2022, the average power interruption per customer was only 10.6 minutes. Weather-related disruptions occurred only to a minor extent. Power supply in Germany remains one of the most reliable in the world in 2022.

www.vde.com

What low-income Germans?

All Germans are middle-class or higher?

What unreliable energy?

The sources that can only provide power for a limited number of hours a day.

According to the OECD Better Life Index, the average household net adjusted disposable income per capita in Germany is USD 38,971, which is higher than the OECD average of USD 30,490.

Wow!
That's a lot!
Does that mean they can afford to pay much, much more than we do in the US?

In the United States, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 51 147 a year, much more than the OECD average of USD 30 490 a year.

Well shit!!!
Germany has nearly $8500 more than the OECD average and the US
has over $12000 more than Germany.

In 2022, the average power interruption per customer was only 10.6 minutes.

That's really great, but how many minutes a year does their solar electricity output drop to 0%?

Backing up unreliable wind and solar with reliable natural gas and coal generated power might sound like a great idea, but it isn't a green idea.

 

[Mac-7]

I support nuclear power. And why do you say "only nuclear can produce the levels of energy we need"? Who says so?

If you ban fossil fuel as the dems ate trying to do and make all the cars electric there are not enough solar panels and windmills to make up the difference

 

[there4eyeM]

The profound level at which binary thinking has established itself in American social and political discussion has created enormous problems. It magnifies negatives and destroys alternatives. Reason becomes the tool of the "other" camp and is automatically rejected. We need to shake off the commitments to what was in the past and open up to progress in other directions. We all know that realities have changed drastically in the last fifty years, but the modus operandi works oppositely.

 

[Crick]

The profound level at which binary thinking has established itself in American social and political discussion has created enormous problems.

Yes

It magnifies negatives and destroys alternatives.

Yes

Reason becomes the tool of the "other" camp and is automatically rejected.

I disagree. I think each camp believes it is employing reason. In the case of people who think Trump is the best choice for president, that belief is obviously and enormously mistaken, but its still a belief.

We need to shake off the commitments to what was in the past

What commitments are those?

and open up to progress in other directions.

What other directions?

We all know that realities have changed drastically in the last fifty years

What realities have changed?

but the modus operandi works oppositely.

What is this phrase supposed to mean?

 

[petro]

I just passed miles of solar panels in near St Cloud, MN.
They have replaced thousands of acres of prime farmland with unsightly rows of metal and solar panels.
It is a freaking eyesore and if anyone believes this won't affect the wildlife is a fool.

 

[SeaMajor7]

 

[SeaMajor7]

 

[Clipper]

The storage capacity isn't near what it would need to be. There's just no way to produce the amount of energy needed, and then store some for cloudy, rainy days (solar) or hot days with no wind (wind power).

Nobody is claiming that wind & solar are going to totally replace fossil fuels. But keep having pantloads over the issue if that makes you feel better.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What low-income Germans? What unreliable energy? Do you have links to support either of those?

Where did you go?

According to the OECD Better Life Index, the average household net adjusted disposable income per capita in Germany is USD 38,971, which is higher than the OECD average of USD 30,490.

Wow!
That's a lot!
Does that mean they can afford to pay much, much more than we do in the US?

In the United States, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 51 147 a year, much more than the OECD average of USD 30 490 a year.

Well shit!!!
Germany has nearly $8500 more than the OECD average and the US
has over $12000 more than Germany.

The US has 31% more disposable income per capita than Germany.

 

[ding]

Nobody is claiming that wind & solar are going to totally replace fossil fuels.

Isn't that exactly what the US goal is for electricity generation? To replace all fossil fuel generated electricity by 2050?

And didn't California write a law that bans all ICE vehicles by 2035?

 

[Crick]

Where did you go?

According to the OECD Better Life Index, the average household net adjusted disposable income per capita in Germany is USD 38,971, which is higher than the OECD average of USD 30,490.

Wow!
That's a lot!
Does that mean they can afford to pay much, much more than we do in the US?

In the United States, the average household net-adjusted disposable income per capita is USD 51 147 a year, much more than the OECD average of USD 30 490 a year.

Well shit!!!
Germany has nearly $8500 more than the OECD average and the US
has over $12000 more than Germany.

The US has 31% more disposable income per capita than Germany.

Todd, the proper response from you would have been, "Sorry, I was wrong."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Todd, the proper response from you would have been, "Sorry, I was wrong."

You were claiming that poor Germans didn't mind paying 40 cents per kWh of
electricity, because they weren't poor compared to the OECD average.

Now if you want to talk some more about the fact that solar energy isn't
very good at producing power for the 24 hours a day that we need power,
I'm happy to try to clear up your confusion there as well.