The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[rylah]

There was no immigration before this time. Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Really??
Then maybe You can tell me when the population exchange ever STOPPED in Palestine?


Bosnian Palestinians

Some Bosnian movement to Palestine occurred when Bosnian Muslim soldiers were brought to Palestine in the late 1800s to provide reinforcements for the Ottoman army.[1][3]

More substantial movement occurred after 1878, when the Austro-Hungarian empire, ruled by the House of Habsburg, occupied Bosnia. Bosnian Muslim emigration continued through this period, escalating after the Austro-Hungarian's 1908 annexation of Bosnia. Many emigrated to parts of what is now modern Turkey, while a smaller number settled in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan.

In Palestine, these Bosnian emigrants settled predominantly in villages in the northern parts of the present day West Bank and Israel: Caesarea (Qisarya), Yanun, Nablus and Tulkarem.[1][2][3] Their descendants still live in these villages, their Bosnian heritage reflected in the Arab surname of Bushnak.[3]

The Bosnian Muslim immigrants who settled in Caesarea in 1878 built two mosques, joining other Muslim immigrants from Morocco, Algeria, Crimea, the Caucasus, and Turkestan. These Slavic speaking immigrants eventually assimilated into the Arab population of Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There was no immigration before this time. Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Really??
Then maybe You can tell me when the population exchange ever STOPPED in Palestine?


Bosnian Palestinians

Some Bosnian movement to Palestine occurred when Bosnian Muslim soldiers were brought to Palestine in the late 1800s to provide reinforcements for the Ottoman army.[1][3]

More substantial movement occurred after 1878, when the Austro-Hungarian empire, ruled by the House of Habsburg, occupied Bosnia. Bosnian Muslim emigration continued through this period, escalating after the Austro-Hungarian's 1908 annexation of Bosnia. Many emigrated to parts of what is now modern Turkey, while a smaller number settled in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan.

In Palestine, these Bosnian emigrants settled predominantly in villages in the northern parts of the present day West Bank and Israel: Caesarea (Qisarya), Yanun, Nablus and Tulkarem.[1][2][3] Their descendants still live in these villages, their Bosnian heritage reflected in the Arab surname of Bushnak.[3]

The Bosnian Muslim immigrants who settled in Caesarea in 1878 built two mosques, joining other Muslim immigrants from Morocco, Algeria, Crimea, the Caucasus, and Turkestan. These Slavic speaking immigrants eventually assimilated into the Arab population of Palestine.

OK, cool.

Is there a point here?

 

[rylah]

There was no immigration before this time. Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Really??
Then maybe You can tell me when the population exchange ever STOPPED in Palestine?


Bosnian Palestinians

Some Bosnian movement to Palestine occurred when Bosnian Muslim soldiers were brought to Palestine in the late 1800s to provide reinforcements for the Ottoman army.[1][3]

More substantial movement occurred after 1878, when the Austro-Hungarian empire, ruled by the House of Habsburg, occupied Bosnia. Bosnian Muslim emigration continued through this period, escalating after the Austro-Hungarian's 1908 annexation of Bosnia. Many emigrated to parts of what is now modern Turkey, while a smaller number settled in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan.

In Palestine, these Bosnian emigrants settled predominantly in villages in the northern parts of the present day West Bank and Israel: Caesarea (Qisarya), Yanun, Nablus and Tulkarem.[1][2][3] Their descendants still live in these villages, their Bosnian heritage reflected in the Arab surname of Bushnak.[3]

The Bosnian Muslim immigrants who settled in Caesarea in 1878 built two mosques, joining other Muslim immigrants from Morocco, Algeria, Crimea, the Caucasus, and Turkestan. These Slavic speaking immigrants eventually assimilated into the Arab population of Palestine.

OK, cool.

Is there a point here?

Now tell me why would UNRWA use a 2 year bar residence?

I thought all Palestinians were citizens of that state since 1924, and what about Jewish refugees who though been resettled in Israel, as many Palestinians in the West are not counted as refugees from lands in Houran and Jordan they owned?

Should they have the same attitude of - until You give me that grove I have a right to kill You because compensation (yeah form Jordan) is not good enough?

This far goes Your argument.

 

[rylah]

Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Great! Is that a suggestion?
Give me Jerusalem, and I'm willing to switch.

What do You think Arabs prefer the whole of Jordan or the whole of Israel?
...oh the sad irony.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There was no immigration before this time. Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Really??
Then maybe You can tell me when the population exchange ever STOPPED in Palestine?


Bosnian Palestinians

Some Bosnian movement to Palestine occurred when Bosnian Muslim soldiers were brought to Palestine in the late 1800s to provide reinforcements for the Ottoman army.[1][3]

More substantial movement occurred after 1878, when the Austro-Hungarian empire, ruled by the House of Habsburg, occupied Bosnia. Bosnian Muslim emigration continued through this period, escalating after the Austro-Hungarian's 1908 annexation of Bosnia. Many emigrated to parts of what is now modern Turkey, while a smaller number settled in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan.

In Palestine, these Bosnian emigrants settled predominantly in villages in the northern parts of the present day West Bank and Israel: Caesarea (Qisarya), Yanun, Nablus and Tulkarem.[1][2][3] Their descendants still live in these villages, their Bosnian heritage reflected in the Arab surname of Bushnak.[3]

The Bosnian Muslim immigrants who settled in Caesarea in 1878 built two mosques, joining other Muslim immigrants from Morocco, Algeria, Crimea, the Caucasus, and Turkestan. These Slavic speaking immigrants eventually assimilated into the Arab population of Palestine.

OK, cool.

Is there a point here?

Now tell me why would UNRWA use a 2 year bar residence?

I thought all Palestinians were citizens of that state since 1924, and what about Jewish refugees who though been resettled in Israel, as many Palestinians in the West are not counted as refugees from lands in Houran and Jordan they owned?

Should they have the same attitude of - until You give me that grove I have a right to kill You because compensation (yeah form Jordan) is not good enough?

This far goes Your argument.

UNRWA is an aid agency. They do not define who is a refugee. They only define who needs aid.

Israel absorbed all of those refugees because it needs all the Jews it can find.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Great! Is that a suggestion?
Give me Jerusalem, and I'm willing to switch.

What do You think Arabs prefer the whole of Jordan or the whole of Israel?
...oh the sad irony.

I don't know. Which Arabs are you talking about?

 

[Hollie]

There was no immigration before this time. Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Really??
Then maybe You can tell me when the population exchange ever STOPPED in Palestine?


Bosnian Palestinians

Some Bosnian movement to Palestine occurred when Bosnian Muslim soldiers were brought to Palestine in the late 1800s to provide reinforcements for the Ottoman army.[1][3]

More substantial movement occurred after 1878, when the Austro-Hungarian empire, ruled by the House of Habsburg, occupied Bosnia. Bosnian Muslim emigration continued through this period, escalating after the Austro-Hungarian's 1908 annexation of Bosnia. Many emigrated to parts of what is now modern Turkey, while a smaller number settled in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan.

In Palestine, these Bosnian emigrants settled predominantly in villages in the northern parts of the present day West Bank and Israel: Caesarea (Qisarya), Yanun, Nablus and Tulkarem.[1][2][3] Their descendants still live in these villages, their Bosnian heritage reflected in the Arab surname of Bushnak.[3]

The Bosnian Muslim immigrants who settled in Caesarea in 1878 built two mosques, joining other Muslim immigrants from Morocco, Algeria, Crimea, the Caucasus, and Turkestan. These Slavic speaking immigrants eventually assimilated into the Arab population of Palestine.

OK, cool.

Is there a point here?

Now tell me why would UNRWA use a 2 year bar residence?

I thought all Palestinians were citizens of that state since 1924, and what about Jewish refugees who though been resettled in Israel, as many Palestinians in the West are not counted as refugees from lands in Houran and Jordan they owned?

Should they have the same attitude of - until You give me that grove I have a right to kill You because compensation (yeah form Jordan) is not good enough?

This far goes Your argument.

UNRWA is an aid agency. They do not define who is a refugee. They only define who needs aid.

Israel absorbed all of those refugees because it needs all the Jews it can find.

Actually, UNRWA is a bloated, superfluous Islamic terrorist shill that should be dismantled.


Report: UNRWA teachers incite Jihadist terrorism & antisemitism - UN Watch

 

[rylah]

..

Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Great! Is that a suggestion?
Give me Jerusalem, and I'm willing to switch.

What do You think Arabs prefer the whole of Jordan or the whole of Israel?
...oh the sad irony.

I don't know. Which Arabs are you talking about?

That's the thing I don't understand as well,

You say Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians are natural Palestinians.
Yet once those same immigrants end up back in Jordan and Lebanon they are somewhat different.

Explain why Arab immigrants and refugees cannot be resettled in countries where they have full sovereignty around the block they moved from?

 

[rylah]

There was no immigration before this time. Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Really??
Then maybe You can tell me when the population exchange ever STOPPED in Palestine?


Bosnian Palestinians

Some Bosnian movement to Palestine occurred when Bosnian Muslim soldiers were brought to Palestine in the late 1800s to provide reinforcements for the Ottoman army.[1][3]

More substantial movement occurred after 1878, when the Austro-Hungarian empire, ruled by the House of Habsburg, occupied Bosnia. Bosnian Muslim emigration continued through this period, escalating after the Austro-Hungarian's 1908 annexation of Bosnia. Many emigrated to parts of what is now modern Turkey, while a smaller number settled in Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan.

In Palestine, these Bosnian emigrants settled predominantly in villages in the northern parts of the present day West Bank and Israel: Caesarea (Qisarya), Yanun, Nablus and Tulkarem.[1][2][3] Their descendants still live in these villages, their Bosnian heritage reflected in the Arab surname of Bushnak.[3]

The Bosnian Muslim immigrants who settled in Caesarea in 1878 built two mosques, joining other Muslim immigrants from Morocco, Algeria, Crimea, the Caucasus, and Turkestan. These Slavic speaking immigrants eventually assimilated into the Arab population of Palestine.

OK, cool.

Is there a point here?

Now tell me why would UNRWA use a 2 year bar residence?

I thought all Palestinians were citizens of that state since 1924, and what about Jewish refugees who though been resettled in Israel, as many Palestinians in the West are not counted as refugees from lands in Houran and Jordan they owned?

Should they have the same attitude of - until You give me that grove I have a right to kill You because compensation (yeah form Jordan) is not good enough?

This far goes Your argument.

UNRWA is an aid agency. They do not define who is a refugee. They only define who needs aid.

Israel absorbed all of those refugees because it needs all the Jews it can find.

Did You hear about any Jew who fled from Syria and Lebanon to the US still receiving any aid from UNRWA, did they ever?

 

[P F Tinmore]

..

Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Great! Is that a suggestion?
Give me Jerusalem, and I'm willing to switch.

What do You think Arabs prefer the whole of Jordan or the whole of Israel?
...oh the sad irony.

I don't know. Which Arabs are you talking about?

That's the thing I don't understand as well,

You say Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians are natural Palestinians.
Yet once those same immigrants end up back in Jordan and Lebanon they are somewhat different.

Explain why Arab immigrants and refugees cannot be resettled in countries where they have full sovereignty around the block they moved from?

You are taking what I said out of context.

No country is obliged to accept the nationals of another country.

 

[rylah]

..

Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Great! Is that a suggestion?
Give me Jerusalem, and I'm willing to switch.

What do You think Arabs prefer the whole of Jordan or the whole of Israel?
...oh the sad irony.

I don't know. Which Arabs are you talking about?

That's the thing I don't understand as well,

You say Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians are natural Palestinians.
Yet once those same immigrants end up back in Jordan and Lebanon they are somewhat different.

Explain why Arab immigrants and refugees cannot be resettled in countries where they have full sovereignty around the block they moved from?

You are taking what I said out of context.

No country is obliged to accept the nationals of another country.

So why do You oblige Israel to accept US citizens?

 

[P F Tinmore]

..

Moving from Amman to Jaffa was the same as moving from Albany to Buffalo. It was within the same territory.

Great! Is that a suggestion?
Give me Jerusalem, and I'm willing to switch.

What do You think Arabs prefer the whole of Jordan or the whole of Israel?
...oh the sad irony.

I don't know. Which Arabs are you talking about?

That's the thing I don't understand as well,

You say Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians are natural Palestinians.
Yet once those same immigrants end up back in Jordan and Lebanon they are somewhat different.

Explain why Arab immigrants and refugees cannot be resettled in countries where they have full sovereignty around the block they moved from?

You are taking what I said out of context.

No country is obliged to accept the nationals of another country.

So why do You oblige Israel to accept US citizens?

 

[rylah]

..Great! Is that a suggestion?
Give me Jerusalem, and I'm willing to switch.

What do You think Arabs prefer the whole of Jordan or the whole of Israel?
...oh the sad irony.

I don't know. Which Arabs are you talking about?

That's the thing I don't understand as well,

You say Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians are natural Palestinians.
Yet once those same immigrants end up back in Jordan and Lebanon they are somewhat different.

Explain why Arab immigrants and refugees cannot be resettled in countries where they have full sovereignty around the block they moved from?

You are taking what I said out of context.

No country is obliged to accept the nationals of another country.

So why do You oblige Israel to accept US citizens?

Palestinian Americans (Arabic: فلسطينيو أمريكا‎), are Americans of Palestinian ancestry. It is difficult to say when the first Palestinian immigrants arrived in the United States; however, most of the first immigrants to arrive were Christians escaping persecution in Ottoman Palestine in the late 19th century. Later immigrants came to the country fleeing the Arab–Israeli or Palestinian conflicts.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I don't know. Which Arabs are you talking about?

That's the thing I don't understand as well,

You say Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians are natural Palestinians.
Yet once those same immigrants end up back in Jordan and Lebanon they are somewhat different.

Explain why Arab immigrants and refugees cannot be resettled in countries where they have full sovereignty around the block they moved from?

You are taking what I said out of context.

No country is obliged to accept the nationals of another country.

So why do You oblige Israel to accept US citizens?

Palestinian Americans (Arabic: فلسطينيو أمريكا‎), are Americans of Palestinian ancestry. It is difficult to say when the first Palestinian immigrants arrived in the United States; however, most of the first immigrants to arrive were Christians escaping persecution in Ottoman Palestine in the late 19th century. Later immigrants came to the country fleeing the Arab–Israeli or Palestinian conflicts.

The right to return does not apply only to refugees.

 

[rylah]

That's the thing I don't understand as well,

You say Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians are natural Palestinians.
Yet once those same immigrants end up back in Jordan and Lebanon they are somewhat different.

Explain why Arab immigrants and refugees cannot be resettled in countries where they have full sovereignty around the block they moved from?

You are taking what I said out of context.

No country is obliged to accept the nationals of another country.

So why do You oblige Israel to accept US citizens?

Palestinian Americans (Arabic: فلسطينيو أمريكا‎), are Americans of Palestinian ancestry. It is difficult to say when the first Palestinian immigrants arrived in the United States; however, most of the first immigrants to arrive were Christians escaping persecution in Ottoman Palestine in the late 19th century. Later immigrants came to the country fleeing the Arab–Israeli or Palestinian conflicts.

The right to return does not apply only to refugees.

What does it change, You said no country is obliged to accept foreign nationals.

 

[rylah]

That's the thing I don't understand as well,

You say Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians are natural Palestinians.
Yet once those same immigrants end up back in Jordan and Lebanon they are somewhat different.

Explain why Arab immigrants and refugees cannot be resettled in countries where they have full sovereignty around the block they moved from?

You are taking what I said out of context.

No country is obliged to accept the nationals of another country.

So why do You oblige Israel to accept US citizens?

Palestinian Americans (Arabic: فلسطينيو أمريكا‎), are Americans of Palestinian ancestry. It is difficult to say when the first Palestinian immigrants arrived in the United States; however, most of the first immigrants to arrive were Christians escaping persecution in Ottoman Palestine in the late 19th century. Later immigrants came to the country fleeing the Arab–Israeli or Palestinian conflicts.

The right to return does not apply only to refugees.

And does the RoR apply to illegal immigrants?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are taking what I said out of context.

No country is obliged to accept the nationals of another country.

So why do You oblige Israel to accept US citizens?

Palestinian Americans (Arabic: فلسطينيو أمريكا‎), are Americans of Palestinian ancestry. It is difficult to say when the first Palestinian immigrants arrived in the United States; however, most of the first immigrants to arrive were Christians escaping persecution in Ottoman Palestine in the late 19th century. Later immigrants came to the country fleeing the Arab–Israeli or Palestinian conflicts.

The right to return does not apply only to refugees.

What does it change, You said no country is obliged to accept foreign nationals.

I did.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are taking what I said out of context.

No country is obliged to accept the nationals of another country.

So why do You oblige Israel to accept US citizens?

Palestinian Americans (Arabic: فلسطينيو أمريكا‎), are Americans of Palestinian ancestry. It is difficult to say when the first Palestinian immigrants arrived in the United States; however, most of the first immigrants to arrive were Christians escaping persecution in Ottoman Palestine in the late 19th century. Later immigrants came to the country fleeing the Arab–Israeli or Palestinian conflicts.

The right to return does not apply only to refugees.

And does the RoR apply to illegal immigrants?

If they are returning, they are not immigrants.

 

[rylah]

So why do You oblige Israel to accept US citizens?

Palestinian Americans (Arabic: فلسطينيو أمريكا‎), are Americans of Palestinian ancestry. It is difficult to say when the first Palestinian immigrants arrived in the United States; however, most of the first immigrants to arrive were Christians escaping persecution in Ottoman Palestine in the late 19th century. Later immigrants came to the country fleeing the Arab–Israeli or Palestinian conflicts.

The right to return does not apply only to refugees.

And does the RoR apply to illegal immigrants?

If they are returning, they are not immigrants.

Exactly - Arab Jordanian, Egyptian and other illegal immigrants are totally natural in the countries where they have full sovereignty.

 

[rylah]

So why do You oblige Israel to accept US citizens?

Palestinian Americans (Arabic: فلسطينيو أمريكا‎), are Americans of Palestinian ancestry. It is difficult to say when the first Palestinian immigrants arrived in the United States; however, most of the first immigrants to arrive were Christians escaping persecution in Ottoman Palestine in the late 19th century. Later immigrants came to the country fleeing the Arab–Israeli or Palestinian conflicts.

The right to return does not apply only to refugees.

What does it change, You said no country is obliged to accept foreign nationals.

I did.

Israel is not obliged to accept anyone who is a citizen of another country.
Jordan, Lebanon and Syria are obliged to accept their nationals who were illegal immigrants.