The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[rylah]

Okay, so now I am on to Part 2.

He says (paraphrased): Had the Jewish people come to the land and said: We see this land as our homeland, we want to revive the Jewish Nation, a Hebrew nation, we want to speak Hebrew, we want to come back, we want a Hebrew university, Hebrew literature, we are being persecuted and we need a place of refuge. But we acknowledge and recognize an Arab peoples living here ... there would have been no conflict.

Dude! That is EXACTLY what happened. That is exactly what the Jewish people did. That is exactly what the international community supported.

Not true. The British "offered" the Palestinians a minority position in the government when they were over 90% of the population. Everything the Palestinians opposed, like the settler colonial project, went through anyway.

There is no Jewish settler colonial project.

Only the Indigenous Jewish people joining the other indigenous Jews on their ancient homeland to become sovereign over it again.

The Arabs, with their attacks and endless NOs to anything which would give Jews any sovereignty over their own ancient homeland are losers, and they hate losing.

That is their problem.

They lost all the wars against Israel.

To the VICTOR comes the spoils.

And Israel is living the fruits of its success, as the Arabs are living the fruits of their loss of wars, and loss of honor and the hatred of Jews they have learned from the Quran.

The Arab Muslim leaders need to abandon their shame culture and think about the future as oil and donations are not going to be there forever.

It has been a colonial project since at least 1899:

"Zionists plan to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times

An article about a Conference of Zionists published on July 20, 1899 in the New York Times depicts how the Conference sought to “colonize Palestine” and discussed the purchasing of land with English Zionists.
World Bulletin/News Desk

An article about a Conference of Zionists published on July 20, 1899 in the New York Times expresses that the Zionists “will colonize Palestine.”

The article explains that the conference discussed a paper from the English Zionist Federation “proposing the re-establishment of Judea as an independent State, suggesting the purchase of the Maccabean sites in Palestine, and the beginning of the work by the establishment of a Jewish colony and a Jewish Agricultural College there.”

It further clarifies that “The site to be purchased comprises about fifty acres, six miles from a station on the railroad between Jappa and Jerusalem, and within sight of the sea and a large stretch of the Palestinian coast.”

It notes that English Zionists have gathered 2,500 dollars in the currency of the period and request that quantity from the American Zionists.

The article also explains that “On motion of Dr. Wise, the Federation voted $100 as the nucleus of the required fund of $2,500, the remainder to be raised by subscriptions from the 125 societies and individuals, both Jews and Gentiles. A general appeal to the public will be made.”

It also conveys that delegates will be elected at the Zionist meeting in Baltimore.

The straightforward and comfortable manner with which the colonization is pursued is indicative how, before having to be concerned with the image of Zionism and public relations, Zionist leaders depicted their movement as a colonial mission during a time in which European nations were colonial powers. "

Zionists plan to colonize Palestine in 1899 NY Times - World Bulletin

In 1870 - 10 years prior to the 1st Zionist immigration, the Tamimi tribe had only 5 houses in Nabi Salih colony.


Now I hear a Qatari sheikh has a claim to Spain...

 

[rylah]

There are two narratives, but one reality: Palestinian dispossession

I just finished reading Palestine The Reality: The Inside Story of the Balfour Declaration 1917-1938, by J.M.N. Jeffries, a British journalist for The Daily Mail at the time of the events discussed. Who would think that a 748-page book on the diplomatic history of the Balfour Declaration and its aftermath could be a page-turner, but this book definitely is. It’s a truly remarkable achievement and a fascinating read in many ways. First a bit of back story.

The book was published originally in Great Britain in 1940.

Regarding the significance of the book for us, I think it’s important for people to read an account by an honest observer of the formative events early on, someone who hasn’t yet had time to grow accustomed to the reality of the Jewish State in Palestine.

What Jeffries shows so dramatically is that there may be two narratives, but only one of them, the Palestinian one, has much connection to reality. As we see from his vantage point so clearly, the land of Palestine was stolen from its people by a major world power and given to another group of people who had no claim to it whatsoever.

There are two narratives, but one reality: Palestinian dispossession

In other words - Your narrative survival is dependent on the denial of anything Israelis say.

A pretty weak position which describes the situation in which the Soviets left the table.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The right to return does not apply only to refugees.

What does it change, You said no country is obliged to accept foreign nationals.

I did.

Israel is not obliged to accept anyone who is a citizen of another country.
Jordan, Lebanon and Syria are obliged to accept their nationals who were illegal immigrants.

This should clear everything up for you.

It's pretty clear You try to hold the stick at the both ends.
Arabs came from a much wider variety of countries than the Jews, yet You call only one group foreigners, the one that originated in the land and bears its name.

Q. 2 posts ago You, stated no country is obliged to accept foreign nationals, so citizens of which country is Israel obliged to accept?

I did.

Its own.

 

[rylah]

What does it change, You said no country is obliged to accept foreign nationals.

I did.

Israel is not obliged to accept anyone who is a citizen of another country.
Jordan, Lebanon and Syria are obliged to accept their nationals who were illegal immigrants.

This should clear everything up for you.

It's pretty clear You try to hold the stick at the both ends.
Arabs came from a much wider variety of countries than the Jews, yet You call only one group foreigners, the one that originated in the land and bears its name.

Q. 2 posts ago You, stated no country is obliged to accept foreign nationals, so citizens of which country is Israel obliged to accept?

I did.

Its own.

It's kinda meaningless. Proves my point further. See the the case of a converted Iranian, Israel is also obliged to screen people who are a danger to its' citizens.

 

[theliq]

BTW, I am a typical Ashkenaz Jew of Eastern European/ Polish descent. I am taking a DNA test next week to see where my origins are, specifically if they're from the Middle East. I will be honest and post the results, one way or the other, even if I am descended from Khazars. (Incidentally, more than half of the Jewish population of Israel are from Mizrahi/ Middle Eastern descent, in any event.)

I think you may be surprised FY,you should have some Mongol,Arab,in you too.......many Europeans have a very small % of Neanderthal in them as well...it is referred to as Iberian in these tests....one of our femme staff Carol had a DNA test too...she had a little of *8 peoples in her DNA...when she asked me what .2 Iberian meant .... I told her Neandi,she said don't be stupid,LOL only to come to work the next day to say I was right Forever prior to and during the reign of the Neandi,their were two other strains of similar "people"their DNA is found in people in parts of the Balkans or Turkey,I cannot remember how or what they are referred as....both died out,the reason that the DNA test refer to Iberian(tip of Spain and Portugal) is where the Neandi died out but not before mixing with Homo Sapiens.....Carol said to me why don't you have you DNA done steve....NO WAY I SAID...I may end up being 98% Neandi LOL but it could be true according to you and your possee....LOL....Forever let us know how you get on....it is fascinating.....steve

 

[theliq]

Jews were not granted Israel because of the Holocaust.

And it was not "somebody else's country". It is the Jewish Ancient homeland.
It was never "Palestinian" homeland. It was Muslim conquered land, Christian conquered land, Roman conquered land.

The Muslims always protected the Jews. Sure!!!!

What does Alex or George know? Nothing !

I think it had a fair part to do with it 60's,the Holocaust....and lets be honest,the Christian Europeans wanted to see the back of the Jews....Your assumption on being a Jewish homeland is not true,moreover the Jews at the Roman period fled or were expelled(and had been conquered many times prior,arresting any claim the Jews thought it was "THEIR LAND" they were conquered they did not own the land anymore) as you said.

It was the Palestinians Ancient Land too,something you over look...you say often that the Ottomans owned the land but left,they too left Greece,Albania,Bosnia Hertzagovinia,Bulgaria but the Land returned to the previous owners......Palestine was not although they were in the majority for 2000 years.............You never mention this......No Convert had any claim,No Zionist had any Claim...the sickening thing was that the British were in the final outcome had aWar with the Terrorist Zionists Groups and the British Administration was totally Infiltrated by Zionists....and we know the result bribery of Countries in the UN..........by the way the Palestinians and other Muslims(Istanbul,Morrocco etc)did look after Jews....when Christians in Europe in their Murderous ways tried to EXTERMINATE Jews for over a period of 1000 years or so,in Spain,France,England,Russia etc., and lastly the Beastiality of the Germans.....yet you Never criticize them......just the Palestinians who helped the Jews......You see your and people like Hollie,Rocco and others mentality is Skewed completely.....the reason is Guilt I believe....Guiltiness of the barbaric Nazi Style treatment like you received,yet you of all people perpetuated the same thing on the Palestinians and continue to...it is a shocking look and the rest of the world sees it,yet you the perportrators claim innocence.....this shame is something you have to live with,thus your lying belief is you have done none of these things........helped by the indoctorination of you Banal and Discredited Cult...steve....Converts are Not Jews,in any real sense they have NO lineage to Abraham,that is only for the Real and only Semitic People the Shepardic Jews and the Palestinians..............Israel is now full of Synthetic Coverts who amazingly think they are real Jews and in some MAD CASES think they are Semitic........What really goes on in the Zionist mind.......Full of Plastic,that man made Synthetic

 

[Sixties Fan]

By every historical account, the Zionist revolution – the incredible ingathering of the exiles and the establishment of the flourishing and highly successful state of Israel – is a unique and unprecedented phenomenon. Those who insist on viewing it as yet another immigration wave among the 20th century global population movements fail to grasp the real nature of this revolution. In this respect, Abbas touched the key issue that, in his eyes, made the Palestinians the main victim of Zionism: if the Jews yearn for a safe haven, and the international community wants to provide them with one, why does it have to be in Palestine, at the Palestinians’ expense?

Of all the leaders of the Zionist movement, it was Israel’s founding father, David Ben-Gurion, who dealt most extensively with the kinds of claims made by Abbas. Below are several passages from Abbas’s address followed by statements by Ben-Gurion on the same topic.

(full article online)

Mahmoud Abbas’s Speech: Who Was the Real Audience?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Three examples highlight the falsity and outright bias of this UN Study:

1.Deliberately misrepresenting General Assembly Resolution 181 that spoke of a “Palestinian Arab State” - when claiming:

“After investigating various alternatives the United Nations proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized.”

The actual wording of Resolution 181 stated:

“Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine....”

2.Omitting any mention of the fact that 78% of Palestine had become an independent Arab State in 1946 and been renamed the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan.

3. Falsely alleging:

“The decision on the Mandate [for Palestine] did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine”

The evidence contradicting this falsehood actually sits in the United Nations' own archives.

(full article online)

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

 

[P F Tinmore]

Three examples highlight the falsity and outright bias of this UN Study:

1.Deliberately misrepresenting General Assembly Resolution 181 that spoke of a “Palestinian Arab State” - when claiming:

“After investigating various alternatives the United Nations proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized.”

The actual wording of Resolution 181 stated:

“Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine....”

2.Omitting any mention of the fact that 78% of Palestine had become an independent Arab State in 1946 and been renamed the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan.

3. Falsely alleging:

“The decision on the Mandate [for Palestine] did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine”

The evidence contradicting this falsehood actually sits in the United Nations' own archives.

(full article online)

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

By a Zionist nutjob?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Three examples highlight the falsity and outright bias of this UN Study:

1.Deliberately misrepresenting General Assembly Resolution 181 that spoke of a “Palestinian Arab State” - when claiming:

“After investigating various alternatives the United Nations proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized.”

The actual wording of Resolution 181 stated:

“Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine....”

2.Omitting any mention of the fact that 78% of Palestine had become an independent Arab State in 1946 and been renamed the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan.

3. Falsely alleging:

“The decision on the Mandate [for Palestine] did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine”

The evidence contradicting this falsehood actually sits in the United Nations' own archives.

(full article online)

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

By a Zionist nutjob?

You are in need of the same crash course on Palestine.
Maybe they can start a class for those like you and Guterres who do not care about History of the land.

I will add both names to the list
Will get in touch with you when it comes up

 

[P F Tinmore]

Three examples highlight the falsity and outright bias of this UN Study:

1.Deliberately misrepresenting General Assembly Resolution 181 that spoke of a “Palestinian Arab State” - when claiming:

“After investigating various alternatives the United Nations proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized.”

The actual wording of Resolution 181 stated:

“Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine....”

2.Omitting any mention of the fact that 78% of Palestine had become an independent Arab State in 1946 and been renamed the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan.

3. Falsely alleging:

“The decision on the Mandate [for Palestine] did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine”

The evidence contradicting this falsehood actually sits in the United Nations' own archives.

(full article online)

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

By a Zionist nutjob?

You are in need of the same crash course on Palestine.
Maybe they can start a class for those like you and Guterres who do not care about History of the land.

I will add both names to the list
Will get in touch with you when it comes up

By a "Jordan is Palestine" nutjob.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Three examples highlight the falsity and outright bias of this UN Study:

1.Deliberately misrepresenting General Assembly Resolution 181 that spoke of a “Palestinian Arab State” - when claiming:

“After investigating various alternatives the United Nations proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized.”

The actual wording of Resolution 181 stated:

“Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine....”

2.Omitting any mention of the fact that 78% of Palestine had become an independent Arab State in 1946 and been renamed the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan.

3. Falsely alleging:

“The decision on the Mandate [for Palestine] did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine”

The evidence contradicting this falsehood actually sits in the United Nations' own archives.

(full article online)

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

By a Zionist nutjob?

You are in need of the same crash course on Palestine.
Maybe they can start a class for those like you and Guterres who do not care about History of the land.

I will add both names to the list
Will get in touch with you when it comes up

By a "Jordan is Palestine" nutjob.

Lesson # 1:

TransJordan was part of the Mandate for Palestine.

The Hashemites and TransJordan became an Arab Palestinian State in 1946.

Jordan is IN the Palestine region.

Jordan, therefore IS Palestine. 78 % of it.

You are welcome

 

[Shusha]

By every historical account, the Zionist revolution – the incredible ingathering of the exiles and the establishment of the flourishing and highly successful state of Israel – is a unique and unprecedented phenomenon. Those who insist on viewing it as yet another immigration wave among the 20th century global population movements fail to grasp the real nature of this revolution. In this respect, Abbas touched the key issue that, in his eyes, made the Palestinians the main victim of Zionism: if the Jews yearn for a safe haven, and the international community wants to provide them with one, why does it have to be in Palestine, at the Palestinians’ expense?

Of all the leaders of the Zionist movement, it was Israel’s founding father, David Ben-Gurion, who dealt most extensively with the kinds of claims made by Abbas. Below are several passages from Abbas’s address followed by statements by Ben-Gurion on the same topic.

(full article online)

Mahmoud Abbas’s Speech: Who Was the Real Audience?

The important point here is that the Balfour Declaration did not GRANT the Jewish people anything. It merely recognized the EXISTING rights of the Jewish people as an indigenous peoples with an historical connection to the land which was removed from them by successive invaders and conquerers.

Ben-Gurion: “Our right to the Land of Israel does not stem from the Mandate and the Balfour Declaration. It precedes those. ... Our historical right has existed since our beginnings as the Jewish People, and the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate recognize and confirm that right” (testimony to the Peel Royal Commission, January 1937, Bama’archa, vol. 1, pp. 77-78).

“A homeland is not given as a gift and is not acquired by means of political rights and contracts. It is not purchased with gold and is not conquered by force, but is built with sweat. This homeland is a historical creation and a collective endeavor of a people, the fruit of its physical, spiritual, and moral labor down through the generations. … The Land of Israel will be ours not when the Turks, the English, or the next peace conference agrees to it, and it is undersigned in a diplomatic treaty – but when we, the Jews, build it. We will not attain the real, true, and lasting right to the land from others, but from our labor.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Three examples highlight the falsity and outright bias of this UN Study:

1.Deliberately misrepresenting General Assembly Resolution 181 that spoke of a “Palestinian Arab State” - when claiming:

“After investigating various alternatives the United Nations proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized.”

The actual wording of Resolution 181 stated:

“Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine....”

2.Omitting any mention of the fact that 78% of Palestine had become an independent Arab State in 1946 and been renamed the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan.

3. Falsely alleging:

“The decision on the Mandate [for Palestine] did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine”

The evidence contradicting this falsehood actually sits in the United Nations' own archives.

(full article online)

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

By a Zionist nutjob?

You are in need of the same crash course on Palestine.
Maybe they can start a class for those like you and Guterres who do not care about History of the land.

I will add both names to the list
Will get in touch with you when it comes up

By a "Jordan is Palestine" nutjob.

Lesson # 1:

TransJordan was part of the Mandate for Palestine.

The Hashemites and TransJordan became an Arab Palestinian State in 1946.

Jordan is IN the Palestine region.

Jordan, therefore IS Palestine. 78 % of it.

You are welcome

I remember the old Encyclopedias that were around before the Internet. If you looked up the History of Jordan in them, they would refer you to the History of Palestine before the 1900's. Jordan is the name of a River, and not really the name of a country. It was artificially carved out of the Palestine Mandate by the British, who mistakenly believed the Arabs' greed for more and more land could be satiated by a mere 78% of what was then known as Palestine. It was also put off-limits to any Jew wanting to live there. Numerous Palestinian officials have stated quite openly that there is no real difference between Palestinians and Jordanians. That is why Jordan is the only Arab country that has granted citizenship to "Palestinian refugees", and that is also why the PLO tried to take over Jordan in 1970.

 

[theliq]

By every historical account, the Zionist revolution – the incredible ingathering of the exiles and the establishment of the flourishing and highly successful state of Israel – is a unique and unprecedented phenomenon. Those who insist on viewing it as yet another immigration wave among the 20th century global population movements fail to grasp the real nature of this revolution. In this respect, Abbas touched the key issue that, in his eyes, made the Palestinians the main victim of Zionism: if the Jews yearn for a safe haven, and the international community wants to provide them with one, why does it have to be in Palestine, at the Palestinians’ expense?

Of all the leaders of the Zionist movement, it was Israel’s founding father, David Ben-Gurion, who dealt most extensively with the kinds of claims made by Abbas. Below are several passages from Abbas’s address followed by statements by Ben-Gurion on the same topic.

(full article online)

Mahmoud Abbas’s Speech: Who Was the Real Audience?[/Z60'sionists thank you for your post on the inception of Zionism...your enthusiasm of the incredible gathering is flawed,it started with Hertzell(The Gay ATHIEST Jew) and a few others...who had the ear of Jewish members in the British parliment sic...and later grew into a flood of illegal immigrants to Palestine...The Zionists basically hijacked the Real Jews few that they were in Palestine.I must admit the Zionist played a very skillful game in achieving their goal......but at a cost...Judiaism was the real loser and the Palestinians 2bcontinued steve

 

[Sixties Fan]

By every historical account, the Zionist revolution – the incredible ingathering of the exiles and the establishment of the flourishing and highly successful state of Israel – is a unique and unprecedented phenomenon. Those who insist on viewing it as yet another immigration wave among the 20th century global population movements fail to grasp the real nature of this revolution. In this respect, Abbas touched the key issue that, in his eyes, made the Palestinians the main victim of Zionism: if the Jews yearn for a safe haven, and the international community wants to provide them with one, why does it have to be in Palestine, at the Palestinians’ expense?

Of all the leaders of the Zionist movement, it was Israel’s founding father, David Ben-Gurion, who dealt most extensively with the kinds of claims made by Abbas. Below are several passages from Abbas’s address followed by statements by Ben-Gurion on the same topic.

(full article online)

Mahmoud Abbas’s Speech: Who Was the Real Audience?[/Z60'sionists thank you for your post on the inception of Zionism...your enthusiasm of the incredible gathering is flawed,it started with Hertzell(The Gay ATHIEST Jew) and a few others...who had the ear of Jewish members in the British parliment sic...and later grew into a flood of illegal immigrants to Palestine...The Zionists basically hijacked the Real Jews few that they were in Palestine.I must admit the Zionist played a very skillful game in achieving their goal......but at a cost...Judiaism was the real loser and the Palestinians 2bcontinued steve

Stevie boy,

Zionism began with the first Jews being taken from Israel to Babylon.

You are sadly a very ignorant nobody who was taught to hate Jews, but who cares.

Your kind of hatred was exported by Paul of Tarsus to the rest of the world, and you are just another follower of his, even if you do not know that.

We are the real ones. The descendants of the ones who kicked butt against the Phillistines and created the Nation of Israel 3000 years ago, and no fire you continue to breath out of your mouth is ever going to change that.

We have survived the greatest lies and the greatest murders of our people for the past 1700 years.

We shall continue to survive fools like you who have no power at all to make the Jewish people....puffff......disappear.


Am Israel Chai !

The People of Israel Live !

 

[theliq]

By every historical account, the Zionist revolution – the incredible ingathering of the exiles and the establishment of the flourishing and highly successful state of Israel – is a unique and unprecedented phenomenon. Those who insist on viewing it as yet another immigration wave among the 20th century global population movements fail to grasp the real nature of this revolution. In this respect, Abbas touched the key issue that, in his eyes, made the Palestinians the main victim of Zionism: if the Jews yearn for a safe haven, and the international community wants to provide them with one, why does it have to be in Palestine, at the Palestinians’ expense?

Of all the leaders of the Zionist movement, it was Israel’s founding father, David Ben-Gurion, who dealt most extensively with the kinds of claims made by Abbas. Below are several passages from Abbas’s address followed by statements by Ben-Gurion on the same topic.

(full article online)

Mahmoud Abbas’s Speech: Who Was the Real Audience?[/Z60'sionists thank you for your post on the inception of Zionism...your enthusiasm of the incredible gathering is flawed,it started with Hertzell(The Gay ATHIEST Jew) and a few others...who had the ear of Jewish members in the British parliment sic...and later grew into a flood of illegal immigrants to Palestine...The Zionists basically hijacked the Real Jews few that they were in Palestine.I must admit the Zionist played a very skillful game in achieving their goal......but at a cost...Judiaism was the real loser and the Palestinians 2bcontinued steve

Stevie boy,

Zionism began with the first Jews being taken from Israel to Babylon.

You are sadly a very ignorant nobody who was taught to hate Jews, but who cares.

Your kind of hatred was exported by Paul of Tarsus to the rest of the world, and you are just another follower of his, even if you do not know that.

We are the real ones. The descendants of the ones who kicked butt against the Phillistines and created the Nation of Israel 3000 years ago, and no fire you continue to breath out of your mouth is ever going to change that.

We have survived the greatest lies and the greatest murders of our people for the past 1700 years.

We shall continue to survive fools like you who have no power at all to make the Jewish people....puffff......disappear.


Am Israel Chai !

The People of Israel Live !

Stevie Boy LOL That I will take as a compliment 60's....!!!!!!!!ZIONISM began with the first Jews taken to Babylon!!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry NO,you are 3500 years too early on that score BUT keep trying,as you can be very trying at times

I am not ignorant and was never taught to hate Jews,quite the reverse....I don't HATE Jews but do draw the line at Zionist Terrorists...FULL STOP.

Paragraph 3......Inane

Zionists are NOT REAL ONES,stop being silly.as for the Philistines,David used these people against King Saul and his murder,he then spread the women and children into the 12 Tribes....before formally EXTERMINATE ALL MALE Philistines....David then King David(the Userper) was not allowed to Consecrate the Temple in Jerusalem BECAUSE OF HIS BAD DEEDS(Murdering King Saul and his family,except one daughter who he raped) The Consecration of the Temple was left to his Son...FACT.

I agree with you on the 1700 years,but as of 1940 onwards...You Converted Zionists have been the most despicable bunch of LIARS,THEIVES,MURDERERS AND TERRORISTS...FACT.

I am no fool but it will be yourselves that will destroy you,you are not Gods Chosen People...You deny the Son of God and therefore,you are diminished,you boasting Pharasee...Now Pufffffffffff....Look you have gone

 

[Sixties Fan]

By every historical account, the Zionist revolution – the incredible ingathering of the exiles and the establishment of the flourishing and highly successful state of Israel – is a unique and unprecedented phenomenon. Those who insist on viewing it as yet another immigration wave among the 20th century global population movements fail to grasp the real nature of this revolution. In this respect, Abbas touched the key issue that, in his eyes, made the Palestinians the main victim of Zionism: if the Jews yearn for a safe haven, and the international community wants to provide them with one, why does it have to be in Palestine, at the Palestinians’ expense?

Of all the leaders of the Zionist movement, it was Israel’s founding father, David Ben-Gurion, who dealt most extensively with the kinds of claims made by Abbas. Below are several passages from Abbas’s address followed by statements by Ben-Gurion on the same topic.

(full article online)

Mahmoud Abbas’s Speech: Who Was the Real Audience?[/Z60'sionists thank you for your post on the inception of Zionism...your enthusiasm of the incredible gathering is flawed,it started with Hertzell(The Gay ATHIEST Jew) and a few others...who had the ear of Jewish members in the British parliment sic...and later grew into a flood of illegal immigrants to Palestine...The Zionists basically hijacked the Real Jews few that they were in Palestine.I must admit the Zionist played a very skillful game in achieving their goal......but at a cost...Judiaism was the real loser and the Palestinians 2bcontinued steve

Stevie boy,

Zionism began with the first Jews being taken from Israel to Babylon.

You are sadly a very ignorant nobody who was taught to hate Jews, but who cares.

Your kind of hatred was exported by Paul of Tarsus to the rest of the world, and you are just another follower of his, even if you do not know that.

We are the real ones. The descendants of the ones who kicked butt against the Phillistines and created the Nation of Israel 3000 years ago, and no fire you continue to breath out of your mouth is ever going to change that.

We have survived the greatest lies and the greatest murders of our people for the past 1700 years.

We shall continue to survive fools like you who have no power at all to make the Jewish people....puffff......disappear.


Am Israel Chai !

The People of Israel Live !

Stevie Boy LOL That I will take as a compliment 60's....!!!!!!!!ZIONISM began with the first Jews taken to Babylon!!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry NO,you are 3500 years too early on that score BUT keep trying,as you can be very trying at times

I am not ignorant and was never taught to hate Jews,quite the reverse....I don't HATE Jews but do draw the line at Zionist Terrorists...FULL STOP.

Paragraph 3......Inane

Zionists are NOT REAL ONES,stop being silly.as for the Philistines,David used these people against King Saul and his murder,he then spread the women and children into the 12 Tribes....before formally EXTERMINATE ALL MALE Philistines....David then King David(the Userper) was not allowed to Consecrate the Temple in Jerusalem BECAUSE OF HIS BAD DEEDS(Murdering King Saul and his family,except one daughter who he raped) The Consecration of the Temple was left to his Son...FACT.

I agree with you on the 1700 years,but as of 1940 onwards...You Converted Zionists have been the most despicable bunch of LIARS,THEIVES,MURDERERS AND TERRORISTS...FACT.

I am no fool but it will be yourselves that will destroy you,you are not Gods Chosen People...You deny the Son of God and therefore,you are diminished,you boasting Pharasee...Now Pufffffffffff....Look you have gone

Steve boy, you cannot even count how long ago Babylon was.
That is your lesson # 2.

And for the rest of your more than insane rewriting of Jewish history, seek some help.

Lesson # 3
Never, ever, bring up Jesus as the son of god, as your excuse for hating Jews, rewriting any and all of their history (which happens to be Jesus' as well - the human being, not a god of any kind as he was not a pagan born into paganism - "get it"?)

Why? Because all you show is your continued Christian warped education about Jews and Judaism as started by Paul of Tarsus.

Keep following Paul's teachings.

We shall continue to be what we have always been. The descendants of the Hebrews/Israelites, Judeans/Jews who continued to follow in the footsteps of Abraham.

No need to understand what that means.

And NONE of this has anything to do with the creation of the Modern State of Israel.


Oooops........we are still here, and will continue to be - regardless of the final solution you keep having in mind for us as you dream it with other sociopaths and psychopaths like yourself.


Am Israel Chai !!

You will never kill the Jewish people or their rights or their hopes.
But you can try.....

Hatikvah

As long as within our hearts

The Jewish soul sings,

As long as forward to the East

To Zion, looks the eye –

Our hope is not yet lost,

It is two thousand years old,

To be a free people in our land

The land of Zion and Jerusalem.

 

[theliq]

By every historical account, the Zionist revolution – the incredible ingathering of the exiles and the establishment of the flourishing and highly successful state of Israel – is a unique and unprecedented phenomenon. Those who insist on viewing it as yet another immigration wave among the 20th century global population movements fail to grasp the real nature of this revolution. In this respect, Abbas touched the key issue that, in his eyes, made the Palestinians the main victim of Zionism: if the Jews yearn for a safe haven, and the international community wants to provide them with one, why does it have to be in Palestine, at the Palestinians’ expense?

Of all the leaders of the Zionist movement, it was Israel’s founding father, David Ben-Gurion, who dealt most extensively with the kinds of claims made by Abbas. Below are several passages from Abbas’s address followed by statements by Ben-Gurion on the same topic.

(full article online)

Mahmoud Abbas’s Speech: Who Was the Real Audience?[/Z60'sionists thank you for your post on the inception of Zionism...your enthusiasm of the incredible gathering is flawed,it started with Hertzell(The Gay ATHIEST Jew) and a few others...who had the ear of Jewish members in the British parliment sic...and later grew into a flood of illegal immigrants to Palestine...The Zionists basically hijacked the Real Jews few that they were in Palestine.I must admit the Zionist played a very skillful game in achieving their goal......but at a cost...Judiaism was the real loser and the Palestinians 2bcontinued steve

Stevie boy,

Zionism began with the first Jews being taken from Israel to Babylon.

You are sadly a very ignorant nobody who was taught to hate Jews, but who cares.

Your kind of hatred was exported by Paul of Tarsus to the rest of the world, and you are just another follower of his, even if you do not know that.

We are the real ones. The descendants of the ones who kicked butt against the Phillistines and created the Nation of Israel 3000 years ago, and no fire you continue to breath out of your mouth is ever going to change that.

We have survived the greatest lies and the greatest murders of our people for the past 1700 years.

We shall continue to survive fools like you who have no power at all to make the Jewish people....puffff......disappear.


Am Israel Chai !

The People of Israel Live !

Stevie Boy LOL That I will take as a compliment 60's....!!!!!!!!ZIONISM began with the first Jews taken to Babylon!!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry NO,you are 3500 years too early on that score BUT keep trying,as you can be very trying at times

I am not ignorant and was never taught to hate Jews,quite the reverse....I don't HATE Jews but do draw the line at Zionist Terrorists...FULL STOP.

Paragraph 3......Inane

Zionists are NOT REAL ONES,stop being silly.as for the Philistines,David used these people against King Saul and his murder,he then spread the women and children into the 12 Tribes....before formally EXTERMINATE ALL MALE Philistines....David then King David(the Userper) was not allowed to Consecrate the Temple in Jerusalem BECAUSE OF HIS BAD DEEDS(Murdering King Saul and his family,except one daughter who he raped) The Consecration of the Temple was left to his Son...FACT.

I agree with you on the 1700 years,but as of 1940 onwards...You Converted Zionists have been the most despicable bunch of LIARS,THEIVES,MURDERERS AND TERRORISTS...FACT.

I am no fool but it will be yourselves that will destroy you,you are not Gods Chosen People...You deny the Son of God and therefore,you are diminished,you boasting Pharasee...Now Pufffffffffff....Look you have gone

Steve boy, you cannot even count how long ago Babylon was.
That is your lesson # 2.

And for the rest of your more than insane rewriting of Jewish history, seek some help.

Lesson # 3
Never, ever, bring up Jesus as the son of god, as your excuse for hating Jews, rewriting any and all of their history (which happens to be Jesus' as well - the human being, not a god of any kind as he was not a pagan born into paganism - "get it"?)

Why? Because all you show is your continued Christian warped education about Jews and Judaism as started by Paul of Tarsus.

Keep following Paul's teachings.

We shall continue to be what we have always been. The descendants of the Hebrews/Israelites, Judeans/Jews who continued to follow in the footsteps of Abraham.

No need to understand what that means.

And NONE of this has anything to do with the creation of the Modern State of Israel.


Oooops........we are still here, and will continue to be - regardless of the final solution you keep having in mind for us as you dream it with other sociopaths and psychopaths like yourself.


Am Israel Chai !!

You will never kill the Jewish people or their rights or their hopes.
But you can try.....

Hatikvah

As long as within our hearts

The Jewish soul sings,

As long as forward to the East

To Zion, looks the eye –

Our hope is not yet lost,

It is two thousand years old,

To be a free people in our land

The land of Zion and Jerusalem.

All very eloquent I'm sure,from the Rabid Zionist Point of view...but others have a realistic approach to the Murderous Terrorism of Cult Zionism,who ever said they want to kill Jews...NOT ME,even Zionists...so cut the Bullshit...

But I will tell you who did help send Jews to the Gas Chambers and collaborated with the NAZIS....IT WAS THE ZIONISTS...remember when the Zionist Leader quoted "ONE COW IN ISRAEL IS WORTH MORE THAN ALL THE JEWS OF EUROPE" or has that evaporated from your brain also....course it has because like the rest of your ilk,you plaster over the corruption of your Darstedly sic Cult....you are the quintessential sic Zionist Trash.
Version 2 for Zionists Only(not real Jews) circa 1899

Long within our Black hearts

The Zionist Mantra we sing

Soon Forward to the EAST(not West you will note)

The Zionist Eye doth see and FEAST

"This Beautiful Land owned by another man"(the Palestinians)

But we will pursue with Terrorist Glee

The two thousand year Palestinians in THEIR HOMES

Who like Prometheous will be bound

And Slaughtered to the Ground

And like the Zionist,drink from their Bloodclatt,Rassclatt

You have Murdered Jews, you will Never Defeat the Palestinians,in their Own Land.....You Boasting Pharisee,You'll Never Conquer Me


Now take your sorry Ass from here,you Curr

 

[theliq]

Three examples highlight the falsity and outright bias of this UN Study:

1.Deliberately misrepresenting General Assembly Resolution 181 that spoke of a “Palestinian Arab State” - when claiming:

“After investigating various alternatives the United Nations proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized.”

The actual wording of Resolution 181 stated:

“Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine....”

2.Omitting any mention of the fact that 78% of Palestine had become an independent Arab State in 1946 and been renamed the Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan.

3. Falsely alleging:

“The decision on the Mandate [for Palestine] did not take into account the wishes of the people of Palestine”

The evidence contradicting this falsehood actually sits in the United Nations' own archives.

(full article online)

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

UN Sec. Gen. Guterres needs a crash course on Palestine

By a Zionist nutjob?

You are in need of the same crash course on Palestine.
Maybe they can start a class for those like you and Guterres who do not care about History of the land.

I will add both names to the list
Will get in touch with you when it comes up

By a "Jordan is Palestine" nutjob.

Lesson # 1:

TransJordan was part of the Mandate for Palestine.

The Hashemites and TransJordan became an Arab Palestinian State in 1946.

Jordan is IN the Palestine region.

Jordan, therefore IS Palestine. 78 % of it.

You are welcome

I remember the old Encyclopedias that were around before the Internet. If you looked up the History of Jordan in them, they would refer you to the History of Palestine before the 1900's. Jordan is the name of a River, and not really the name of a country. It was artificially carved out of the Palestine Mandate by the British, who mistakenly believed the Arabs' greed for more and more land could be satiated by a mere 78% of what was then known as Palestine. It was also put off-limits to any Jew wanting to live there. Numerous Palestinian officials have stated quite openly that there is no real difference between Palestinians and Jordanians. That is why Jordan is the only Arab country that has granted citizenship to "Palestinian refugees", and that is also why the PLO tried to take over Jordan in 1970.

The Jordanians,are different to Palestinians Fore,very much so....the main reason that there are more Palestinians now in Jordan is the result of the Palestinians being driven out of Palestine by the Zionist Terrorist Groups circa 1946-1950......Jordan now also has a Palestinian born Queen,a very Beautiful,Intelligent Woman and well Respected Worldwide.....just sayin steve....but to reiterate the Jordanians are very different originally to the Palestinians...but in a way you have a point,as both populations will Morph into the same(a bit of both) in time....Much like the Jews from Europe and Morocco sic have over the years in Israel..but you I think know this already. st