The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[SantaFeWay]

Oh no way!!!

Ask Rat or Jon to do it. No, Ilar. He would do it. Eddie?

Ilar would do it. But Rat would give the best summary.

[MENTION=23063]Rat in the Hat[/MENTION]

Agreed!

I asked DH if he would do it and he said NO because of the anal sex part.

My smilie thingy isn't working.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Plea schmea. He needs DP in a bad way.

Holy crap they added 648 more charges bringing the charge total to 977

two counts of aggravated murder under a fetal homicide law over allegations he forced Knight to miscarry, could potentially carry a death sentence if prosecutors choose to pursue it.

Ariel Castro pleaded not guilty on Wednesday to charges that he kidnapped three women and raped them for more than a decade before they escaped earlier this year. His attorneys hope to settle the case with a plea agreement, but if not the case will go to trial beginning in early August.

Cleveland kidnapping case: Castro attorneys seek plea bargain - CSMonitor.com

I heard on the news that if they don't go for the DP, he could get 9,000 years in prison.

He would smell pretty gamey when he's finally released, eh.

 

[SantaFeWay]

C'mon Rat...watch it and let us know if it's incriminating.

It's all in the name of case research, you know.


That smilie is my favorite.

 

[testarosa]

The prosecution is going to open with that video.

Trial is going to go like this:

Video
<pukeage>
Prosecution: Beauty eh?
Prosecution rests
GUILTY!

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Oh no way!!!

Ask Rat or Jon to do it. No, Ilar. He would do it. Eddie?

Ilar would do it. But Rat would give the best summary.

[MENTION=23063]Rat in the Hat[/MENTION]

Tried to see it, but it seems the Montreal police asked them to take the video down.

Those damn townies, eh?

 

[testarosa]

C'mon Rat...watch it and let us know if it's incriminating.

It's all in the name of case research, you know.


That smilie is my favorite.

LAUGHING OUT LOUD at "let us know if it's incriminating".

I'm wondering what the defense's schtick is going to be... Well his lover was calling him names and domestically insulting him and forced him to do it.

 

[SantaFeWay]

I thought the article quoted the police saying Magnotta managed to hide himself in the video, but that the interior of his home was the same in the video and lots of blood and other evidence was found when they searched his home after he fled to France.

So they probably will show the video but I'd like to know whether it's obvious it's Magnotta or if he was successful in keeping his identity hidden.

But I don't need to know badly enough to actually watch it.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

The one I posted above may start in August if prosecution goes for dp - that's the monster that had the girls kidnapped in OH for years.

The cannibal I think is sometime in 2014

Careful, this is hideous. Makes JoJo look like a saint. Ok. I take that back.



The killer captured the whole sick scene on video, and that wound up on a website on May 26 called bestgore.com, which purports to be “dedicated to ensuring the general public is aware of the reality of the world out there so everyone can make educated decisions that affect their well being and the well being of their families,” but is clearly a forum for the kind of peeping toms who get off on watching people do awful shit to each other. The video’s title: “1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick.”



Police only found out about this grisly killing when Jun’s body parts started showing up at the offices of Canada’s major political parties. A severed foot arrived at the headquarters of the country’s Conservative Party in Ottawa Tuesday morning; postal workers intercepted a severed hand at the Ottawa Postal Terminal later that day, en route to the offices of the Liberal Party; and a janitor found the torso in a Montreal garbage dump near Magnotta’s apartment. Perhaps the killer had run out of stamps, by that point.

Canada?s 'Cannibal Killer:' Early Reports Warned About Luka Magnotta - The Daily Beast

Ok...reading...sounds ICK already.

I did not post the paragraph above of what the video was. Brace yourself.

So you think they'll be showing that in court?

If they don't show the entire video, they may show parts of it, or stills. I haven't brought myself to watch it. The image on the bestgore site was enough.

All-in-all, it reminds me of Jodi Arias. She may not have videotaped herself murdering Travis, but there were pictures.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

Oh no way!!!

Ask Rat or Jon to do it. No, Ilar. He would do it. Eddie?

Ilar would do it. But Rat would give the best summary.

[MENTION=23063]Rat in the Hat[/MENTION]

[MENTION=42294]Snookie[/MENTION]

Snookie, you want to be our helper on this one?

 

[testarosa]

Ask Rat or Jon to do it. No, Ilar. He would do it. Eddie?

Ilar would do it. But Rat would give the best summary.

[MENTION=23063]Rat in the Hat[/MENTION]

Tried to see it, but it seems the Montreal police asked them to take the video down.

Those damn townies, eh?

That's actually a relief. I ran across the 2hole JoJo photo completely by accident and screwed my brains up. With that cannibal link just sitting there, I may have gotten feeling all brave and clicked it and had to have therapy or something.

 

[SantaFeWay]

C'mon Rat...watch it and let us know if it's incriminating.

It's all in the name of case research, you know.


That smilie is my favorite.

LAUGHING OUT LOUD at "let us know if it's incriminating".

I'm wondering what the defense's schtick is going to be... Well his lover was calling him names and domestically insulting him and forced him to do it.

I thought that might convince Rat to watch.

They have to go with the mentally insane schtick, right? I mean.......maybe he could go for the "It was a horror movie audition simulation. I didn't know it was a REAL knife" defense. ???

 

[testarosa]

I thought the article quoted the police saying Magnotta managed to hide himself in the video, but that the interior of his home was the same in the video and lots of blood and other evidence was found when they searched his home after he fled to France.

So they probably will show the video but I'd like to know whether it's obvious it's Magnotta or if he was successful in keeping his identity hidden.

But I don't need to know badly enough to actually watch it.

He had 70 FB accounts. I think there are body parts floating around all over the world.

Miami has become the latest jurisdiction to look into a possible connection between the suspected Canadian ‘cannibal’ Luka ‘Rocco’ Magnotta and a local cold case involving brutal dismemberment.

Read more: Luka Magnotta: Police probe cannibal porn star's link to Miami dismemberment cold case | Mail Online
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[testarosa]

C'mon Rat...watch it and let us know if it's incriminating.

It's all in the name of case research, you know.


That smilie is my favorite.

LAUGHING OUT LOUD at "let us know if it's incriminating".

I'm wondering what the defense's schtick is going to be... Well his lover was calling him names and domestically insulting him and forced him to do it.

I thought that might convince Rat to watch.

They have to go with the mentally insane schtick, right? I mean.......maybe he could go for the "It was a horror movie audition simulation. I didn't know it was a REAL knife" defense. ???

I have NO CLUE! what schtick they could use or why they'd even want to. The defense needs to hold out his arm for the needle and get it over with.

 

[SantaFeWay]

Ask Rat or Jon to do it. No, Ilar. He would do it. Eddie?

Ilar would do it. But Rat would give the best summary.

[MENTION=23063]Rat in the Hat[/MENTION]

[MENTION=42294]Snookie[/MENTION]

Snookie, you want to be our helper on this one?

Snookie??? He's too sensitive to watch that. But, if he did, he'd come away with cries of discrimination because the murderer is white and the victim is Chinese. Or something else a little JMO

Sorry, Snookie. You know Ima jokin'

 

[pioneerpete]

Self-Defense Laws

Duty To Retreat

Under NRS 200.120 there is no duty for a person to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense if the all of the following conditions are met:

The person has a right to be present at the location
The person is not the original aggressor
The person is not engaged in conduct in furtherance of a criminal activity.
Nevada Self-Defense Laws

Guilty of all charges.

If Zimmerman had been living in Nevada he would have been convicted of something. Because he was the ORIGINAL AGRESSOR and he had NO RIGHT TO BE IN THE LOCATION of the confrontation, Trayvon was and Nevada’s Stand Your Ground law would have protected Trayvon. Zimmerman was a self appointed vigilante neighborhood Watchman illegally carrying a gun had no right to be present at the location where he murdered the teenager. Also he was told by 911 NOT to follow Trayvon.
Members of the jury DID consider stand your ground law when considering the case.

Zimmerman Jury Was Misled About The Meaning of Florida’s Self Defense Law

Even the juror who has been making the rounds to announce that she signed a book deal conceded that Zimmerman was wrong to get out of his vehicle. Moreover, Zimmerman’s lawyers knew it. That’s why they fought so hard to prevent a jury instruction on initial aggression. Had the jury been instructed on that part of the law, it’s more than a little possible that the verdict would have been less favorable to Zimmerman.
Zimmerman Jurors Was Misled About The Meaning of Florida's Self Defense Law

Even if GZ was the original aggressor, which he was not, once TM ran away he was not in any fear for his life ending his claim to stand his ground. Imminent fear is required to stand your ground. Once TM flees he is not in imminent fear, and you can't claim past threats as imminent by definition alone. GZ had every right to be where he was, and this is evidenced by the fact that he was not cited with trespassing. By your standards, if I get out of my car at Target anyone in the parking lot has the right to punch me in the nose, even if it is five minutes later on my way back out to the parking lot. This jury couldn't be instructed on GZ getting out of the car as an act of aggression, because it is not an act that is illegal. 911 operator didn't say NOT to follow. He said we don't need you to do that, once GZ was already out of his car. He then asked GZ what is he doing now. This is the same as me saying we don't need you to try to interpret the stand your ground law. We all wish you would listen, but you are under no obligation to heed my advice. GZ also had every legal right to carry a firearm in the state of Florida. Evidence by the lack of charges on such infractions that you claim. The jury did not consider the "stand your ground law" in deliberations. If you take time to read the jury instructions for a self-defense claim in all 50 states and Federal cases you will find the term "right to stand your ground". It simply means that you are legally in a place where you have a right to be, and are not required to retreat when you are in fear of death or great bodily harm. An example would be, if I'm in the same Target parking lot and you come running at me with an Ax I don't have to try and run into the store before I can shoot you.

Keep buying what they are selling you man.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Self-Defense Laws

Duty To Retreat

Under NRS 200.120 there is no duty for a person to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense if the all of the following conditions are met:

The person has a right to be present at the location
The person is not the original aggressor
The person is not engaged in conduct in furtherance of a criminal activity.
Nevada Self-Defense Laws

Guilty of all charges.

If Zimmerman had been living in Nevada he would have been convicted of something. Because he was the ORIGINAL AGRESSOR and he had NO RIGHT TO BE IN THE LOCATION of the confrontation, Trayvon was and Nevada’s Stand Your Ground law would have protected Trayvon. Zimmerman was a self appointed vigilante neighborhood Watchman illegally carrying a gun had no right to be present at the location where he murdered the teenager. Also he was told by 911 NOT to follow Trayvon.
Members of the jury DID consider stand your ground law when considering the case.

Zimmerman Jury Was Misled About The Meaning of Florida’s Self Defense Law

Even the juror who has been making the rounds to announce that she signed a book deal conceded that Zimmerman was wrong to get out of his vehicle. Moreover, Zimmerman’s lawyers knew it. That’s why they fought so hard to prevent a jury instruction on initial aggression. Had the jury been instructed on that part of the law, it’s more than a little possible that the verdict would have been less favorable to Zimmerman.
Zimmerman Jurors Was Misled About The Meaning of Florida's Self Defense Law

Even if GZ was the original aggressor, which he was not, once TM ran away he was not in any fear for his life ending his claim to stand his ground. Imminent fear is required to stand your ground. Once TM flees he is not in imminent fear, and you can't claim past threats as imminent by definition alone. GZ had every right to be where he was, and this is evidenced by the fact that he was not cited with trespassing. By your standards, if I get out of my car at Target anyone in the parking lot has the right to punch me in the nose, even if it is five minutes later on my way back out to the parking lot. This jury couldn't be instructed on GZ getting out of the car as an act of aggression, because it is not an act that is illegal. 911 operator didn't say NOT to follow. He said we don't need you to do that, once GZ was already out of his car. He then asked GZ what is he doing now. This is the same as me saying we don't need you to try to interpret the stand your ground law. We all wish you would listen, but you are under no obligation to heed my advice. GZ also had every legal right to carry a firearm in the state of Florida. Evidence by the lack of charges on such infractions that you claim. The jury did not consider the "stand your ground law" in deliberations. If you take time to read the jury instructions for a self-defense claim in all 50 states and Federal cases you will find the term "right to stand your ground". It simply means that you are legally in a place where you have a right to be, and are not required to retreat when you are in fear of death or great bodily harm. An example would be, if I'm in the same Target parking lot and you come running at me with an Ax I don't have to try and run into the store before I can shoot you.

Keep buying what they are selling you man.

I cant believe you put out so much effort for the OldLady.
By the time she got a third of the way through your response she'd already forgotten the beginning.
Be kind to our geriatric Americans,keep it short. To match her attention span.

 

[wavingrl]

Evidence suggested a lot of things. Who was told to stop following TM? Who was armed with a gun? The bottom line is, like GZ's guilt, none of the stuff you're claiming was proven either.

The jury has summarily ruled. They don't need to explain to anyone why, or how they reached it. You need to accept it. I hated the verdict in the OJ double murder case, but I had to accept it. GZ can not be tried again for the same charge.

All of you who support TM now; hold contempt for Justice. GZ is NOT GUILTY!

All the inscrutable particulars are criminally moot.

I was just talking about the people who say with authority "TM did this" or "TM did that". When did he get his trial? The fact that GZ was found not-guilty, doesn't make TM guilty.

that is veering away from the point of the trial--Trayvon Martin was the victim and not on trial. It was George Zimmerman's trial--when people say 'George said/did whatever...' it doesn't sound so biased to me--it was his trial.

B37--I suppose she was pro defense--from the start--daughter of an Air Force captain, formerly held a CCP, husband works --it sounds like --as an attorney for aerospace industry, has not been seated on a jury 4X because of 'where she works'/something military or with the government if I had to guess--shrug--the prosecution either approved or there was an order from the Judge and they couldn't strike her.

Much has been said--'jurors will decide trial based on their prism'--a more poetic way of describing bias--

she said several times that it was a difficult decision--no one took it lightly.

those with connections to the Air Force are generally capable of logical thinking. who knows--who can ever know. It is clear enough to me--that skilled attorneys are worth the $.

 

[G.T.]

I like your style, waving.

 

[animallover]

Hello I am here but not for long unfortunately I have to work. Working my ass off so I can have tomorrow off.

I am definitely gonna watch the Andrea Sneiderman trial since I watched the Hemy Neuman trial. Looking forward to it.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I don't recall a trial where any of that was proven. Can you give us a link? You can't give GZ the benefit of the doubt and then claim with certainty that the other stuff happened either. The best you can say is "we'll never know" or you're committing the same sort of speculation as the other side.

Evidence suggests thats exactly how it went down.

Evidence suggested a lot of things. Who was told to stop following TM? Who was armed with a gun? The bottom line is, like GZ's guilt, none of the stuff you're claiming was proven either.

It's the same old shit over and over again. Are you people a bunch of dullards?
First of all the dispatcher cant tell anyone to do shit. Second,TM came back and confronted GZ.
All the evidence supported GZ's side of events.
You're either a paid shill or a complete moron.