The Ocoee Massacre

[DudleySmith]

Wallace got a lot of black votes.

Documenting the American South: Oral Histories of the American South

docsouth.unc.edu

Even the NAACP endorsed him in the 1950's. His welfare and education reforms as Governor favored black people more than any previous Governor did, despite his segregationist views, views which were necessary to gt elected in Alabama, whether one supported them personally or not.

In 1958, George Wallace ran against John Patterson in his first gubernatorial race. In that Alabama election, Wallace refused to make race an issue, and he declined the endorsement of the Ku Klux Klan. This move won Wallace the support of the NAACP. Patterson, on the other hand, embraced Klan support, and he trounced Wallace in the election. In 1962 Wallace, having realized the power of race as a political tool, ran for governor again—this time as a proponent of segregation. He won by a landslide.

George Wallace on segregation, 1964 | Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History

George Wallace on segregation, 1964 | | In 1958, George Wallace ran against John Patterson in his first gubernatorial race. In that Alabama election, Wallace refused to make race an issue, and he declined the endorsement of the Ku Klux Klan. This move won Wallace the support of the NAACP...

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[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Some posters on this message board would have participated in the massacre with great pleasure.

 

[DudleySmith]

Lib race baiters on this forum deserved that even if the blacks killed in 1920 didnt

Tammy pisses himself whenever he's out by himself and sees a black person. It's why he lives in Wales.

 

[DudleySmith]

Some posters on this message board would have participated in the massacre with great pleasure.

Yes. 'Native Americans' loved massacres, which is why they ended up on reservations.

 

[Mushroom]

By 2004 every elected nearly Democrat from the South had become a Republican.

Name them.

 

[Mushroom]

Wallace won 46 electoral votes and nearly the entire South as the racist candidate in 1968.

And that is what is known as a "lie".

The "South" is made up of 16 states, and they are Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and West Virginia.

And in 1968 with the American Independent Party, George Wallace won five of them. And they are Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana,

He did not win "nearly the entire South". He did not even win "a majority" or even "half". He won exactly five states out of 16, or less than 1/3 of the states.

YOu see, that is what happens when you simply try to make things up and claim things that are not true. Others come along and prove that you are wrong.

And yes, he won 46 electors out of 538. 270 of which were needed to be elected. He came nowhere even close, he had less than 1/5 of those needed to get elected.

have a nice day.

 

[Dadoalex]

Would you consider those blacks and people of color who today advocate segregation from others as racist?

Are they doing so to create or preserve their special place in society?

 

[lg325]

Are they doing so to create or preserve their special place in society?

From what a gather yes.

 

[Dadoalex]

Name them.

Sigh...

1960–1969[edit]​

• 1960s – Arthur Ravenel Jr., South Carolina State Representative, later U.S. Representative from South Carolina (1987–1995)
• 1960 – Claude R. Kirk Jr., later Governor of Florida (1967–1971)[14]
• 1960 – Robert Daniel, U.S. Representative from Virginia
• 1962 – Dave Treen, later U.S. Representative from Louisiana (1973–1980) and Governor of Louisiana (1980–1984)
• 1962 – James D. Martin, later U.S. Representative from Alabama (1965–1967)
• 1962 – Ronald Reagan, while an actor and former Screen Actors Guild president.[15] Later 33rd Governor of California (1967–1975) and 40th President of the United States (1981–1989)
• 1962 – Floyd Spence, South Carolina State Representative, later a U.S. Representative from South Carolina (1971–2001)
• 1963 – Rubel Phillips, former Mississippi Public Service Commissioner
• 1963 – Stanford Morse, Mississippi State Senator
• 1963 – James H. Boyce
• 1963 – Edward Lunn Young, U.S. Representative from South Carolina
• 1964 – William Dickinson, U.S. Representative from Alabama
• 1964 – Arthur Glenn Andrews, U.S. Representative from Alabama
• 1964 – Alfred Goldthwaite, Alabama State Representative
• 1964 – Clarke Reed
• 1964 – George M. McMath, Virginia House of Delegates
• 1964 – Faith Whittlesey, United States Ambassador to Switzerland
• 1964 – Howard Callaway, later U.S. Representative from Georgia (1965–1967) and United States Secretary of the Army (1973–1975)[16]
• 1964 – Iris Faircloth Blitch, former Georgia U.S. Representative (1955–1963)
• 1964 – Charles W. Pickering, later Mississippi State senator and judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Mississippi (2004)
• 1964 – Strom Thurmond, while U.S. senator from South Carolina (1954–2003).[17]

1970–1979[edit]​

• 1970 – Jesse Helms, later U.S. Senator from North Carolina (1973–2003)
• 1970 – A. C. Clemons, Louisiana State Senator
• 1970 – William Oswald Mills, later U.S. Representative from Maryland (1971–1973)
• 1970 – Bob Barr, later U.S. Representative from Georgia (1995–2003)
• 1971 – Tillie K. Fowler, later U.S. Representative from Florida (1993–2001)
• 1972 – Ed Karst, Mayor of Alexandria
• 1972 – Graham Purcell Jr., former U.S. Representative from Texas (1962–1973)
• 1972 – Robert R. Neall, later Secretary of the Maryland Department of Health (2018–present)
• 1972 – Thomas F. Hartnett, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina (1981–1987)
• 1972 – Trent Lott, later U.S. Representative from Mississippi (1973–1989) and U.S. Senator from Mississippi (1989–2007)[18]
• 1973 – Mills E. Godwin Jr., former governor of Virginia (1966–1970) and lieutenant Governor of Virginia (1962–1966). Later Governor of Virginia (1974–1978)
• 1973 – Samuel I. Hayakawa, later U.S. Senator from California (1977–1983)[19]
• 1973 – John Connally, former United States Secretary of the Treasury (1971–1972) and former governor of Texas (1963–1969)
• 1975 – Elizabeth Dole, later United States Secretary of Transportation (1983–1987), United States Secretary of Labor (1989–1990) and U.S. Senator from North Carolina (2003–2009)
• 1975 – John Jarman, while U.S. Representative from Oklahoma (1951–1977)[20]
• 1977 – A. J. McNamara, Louisiana State Representative
• 1977 – Lane Carson, Louisiana State Representative
• 1978 – Robert G. Jones, Louisiana State Senator
• 1978 – Chris Smith, later U.S. Representative from New Jersey (1981–present).[21]
• 1978 – Thomas Bliley, Mayor of Richmond, Virginia, and later U.S. Representative from Virginia (1981–2001)
• 1978 – Michael F. "Mike" Thompson, Louisiana State Representative
• 1979 – Charles Grisbaum Jr., Louisiana State Representative
• 1979 – Ed Scogin, Louisiana State Representative
• 1979 – Armistead I. Selden Jr., former U.S. Representative from Alabama (1953–1969) and United States Ambassador to New Zealand (1974–1979)

1980–1989[edit]​

• 1980s – S. S. DeWitt, Louisiana State Representative
• 1980s – Mike Pence, U.S Representative for Indiana. Later Governor of Indiana (2013–2017) and Vice President of the United States (2017–2021)[22]
• 1980 – Sam Yorty, former U.S. Representative for California (1951–1955) and Mayor of Los Angeles (1961–1973)
• 1980 – Mac Collins, later U.S. Representative from Georgia (1993–2005)
• 1980 – Jim Donelon, later Louisiana Insurance Commissioner (2006–present)
• 1980 – Jesse Monroe Knowles, Louisiana State Senator
• 1980 – Frank D. White, later Governor of Arkansas (1981–1983)[23]
• 1980 – J.C. "Sonny" Gilbert, Louisiana State Representative
• 1981 – Bob Stump, while U.S. Representative from Arizona (1977–2003)
• 1981 – Eugene Atkinson, while U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania (1979–1983)[24]
• 1981 – Larry Kudlow, later Director of the National Economic Council (2018–2021)
• 1982 – Condoleezza Rice, later United States National Security Advisor (2001–2005) and United States Secretary of State (2005–2009)[25]
• 1982 – Joseph P. Wyatt Jr., former U.S. Representative from Texas (1979–1981)
• 1983 – Phil Gramm, while U.S. Representative from Texas (1979–1985) and later U.S. Senator from Texas (1985–2002)
• 1983 – Bob Martinez, while Mayor of Tampa. Later Governor of Florida (1987–1991) and Director of the National Drug Control Policy (1991–1993)
• 1983 – Edward D.L.G. Pangelinan, while Resident Representative from the Northern Mariana Islands (1978–1984)[26]
• 1984 – V.J. Bella, Louisiana State Representative
• 1984 – Andy Ireland, while U.S. Representative from Florida (1977–1993)
• 1984 – H. Edward Knox, Mayor of the City of Charlotte
• 1984 – Sonny Callahan, Alabama State Senator. Later U.S Representative from Alabama (1985–2003)
• 1985 –Syd Hedlog, Former US House of Representatives from Florida (1949–1969)
• 1985 – Jeane Kirkpatrick, while U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (1981–1985)[27]
• 1985 – Edward J. King, former governor of Massachusetts (1979–1983)[28]
• 1985 – Dexter Lehtinen, Florida State Representative. Later U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida (1988–1992)
• 1985 – Kent Hance, former U.S. Representative from Texas (1979–1985)
• 1985 – Jock Scott (politician), Louisiana State Representative
• 1985 – Carole Keeton Strayhorn, later Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts (1999–2007)
• 1986 – William Bennett, while U.S. Secretary of Education (1985–1988)[29]
• 1986 – Richard Baker, Louisiana State Representative. Later U.S. Representative from Louisiana (1987–2008)
• 1986 – Charles T. Canady, Florida State Representative. Later U.S. Representative from Florida (1993–2001), Justice of the Supreme Court of Florida (2008–present) and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Florida (2010–2012)
• 1986 – Frank Rizzo, former mayor of Philadelphia[30]
• 1986 – James David Santini, former U.S. Representative from Nevada (1975–1983)
• 1987 – Paul Hardy, former secretary of state of Louisiana (1976–1980), later Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana (1988–1992)[31]
• 1987 – Roy Moore, later Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court (2001–2003)
• 1987 – Edward Vrdolyak (born 1937), while member of the Chicago City Council.[32]
• 1987 – Sam Panayotovich, while Illinois State Representative and political ally of Vrdolyak.[33]
• 1987 – James C. Smith, Attorney General of Florida (1979–1987), later Florida Secretary of State (1987–1995)
• 1988 – Jim McCrery, later U.S. Representative from Louisiana (1988–2009)
• 1988 – David Duke, Louisiana State Representative
• 1988 – Mike Johanns, later Governor of Nebraska (1999–2005), United States Secretary of Agriculture (2005–2007) and U.S. Senator from Nebraska (2009–2015)
• 1988 – John Rice, Alabama State Senator[34]
• 1989 – John Amari, Alabama State Senator
• 1989 – Pete Johnson, while State Auditor of Mississippi (1988–1992)
• 1989 – Bill Grant, while U.S. Representative from Florida (1987–1991)
• 1989 – Tommy F. Robinson, while U.S. Representative from Arkansas (1985–1991)
• 1989 – Rick Perry, Agriculture Commissioner of Texas. Later Governor of Texas (2000–2015)[35]
• 1989 – W. Fox McKeithen, Secretary of State of Louisiana (1988–2005)

1990–1999[edit]​

• 1990 – Jason Chaffetz, later U.S. Representative from Utah (2009–2017)[36]
• 1990 – Tom Vandergriff, former U.S. Representative from Texas (1983–1985). Later elected as a County Judge (1991–2007)
• 1990 – Joseph F. Toomy, Louisiana State Representative
• 1990 – Vito Fossella, later U.S. Representative from New York (1997–2009)
• 1990 – Lauch Faircloth, later U.S. Senator from North Carolina (1993–1999)[37]
• 1991 – Bret Schundler, Mayor of Jersey City
• 1991 – David Beasley, later Governor of South Carolina (1995–1999)
• 1991 – Buddy Roemer, while Governor of Louisiana (1988–1992)[38]
• 1992 – Byron Looper, Tennessee State Representative
• 1993 – Edward H. Krebs, Pennsylvania State Representative
• 1993 – Don W. Williamson, Louisiana State Senator
• 1994 – Eli Bebout, Wyoming State Representative
• 1994 – Ron Gomez, Louisiana State Representative
• 1994 – Woody Jenkins, Louisiana State Representative
• 1994 – Ed Austin, while Mayor of Jacksonville
• 1994 – Walter B. Jones, while running as a Democrat for U.S. Representative from North Carolina. U.S. Representative from North Carolina (1995–2019)
• 1994 – Ed Whitfield, the day before filing as a candidate for the U.S. House in Kentucky. U.S. Representative from Kentucky (1995–2016)
• 1994 – Ron Gomez, Louisiana state representative
• 1994 – Mike Bowers, while Attorney General of Georgia (1981–1997)
• 1994 – Fob James, former governor of Alabama (1979–1983). Later Governor of Alabama (1995–1999)
• 1994 – Richard Shelby, while U.S. Senator from Alabama (1987–present)
• 1995 – Jimmy Hayes, while U.S. Representative from Louisiana (1987–1997)
• 1995 – Greg Laughlin, while U.S. Representative from Texas (1989–1997)
• 1995 – Ben Nighthorse Campbell, while U.S. Senator from Colorado (1993–2005)
• 1995 – Billy Tauzin, while U.S. Representative from Louisiana (1980–2005)[39]
• 1995 – Nathan Deal, while U.S. Representative from Georgia (1993–2011). Later became the 82nd Governor of Georgia (2011–2019)
• 1995 – Mike Parker, while U.S. Representative from Mississippi (1989–1999)[40]
• 1995 – Susana Martinez, later Governor of New Mexico (2011–2019)[citation needed]
• 1995 – Mike Foster, later Governor of Louisiana (1996–2004)[citation needed]
• 1995 – Donald Ray Kennard, Louisiana State Representative
• 1995 – Rusty Crowe, Tennessee State Senator[citation needed]
• 1995 – Milton H. Hamilton, Jr, Tennessee State Senator[citation needed]
• 1996 – Ronnie Culbreth, Georgia State Representative.[41]
• 1996 – Norm Coleman, while Mayor of St Paul. Later U.S. Senator from Minnesota (2003–2009)[42]
• 1996 – Jay Blossman, later Louisiana Public Service Commissioner (1997–2008)[citation needed]
• 1996 – John Hoeven, later Governor of North Dakota (2000–2010), later U.S. Senator from North Dakota (2011–present)[citation needed]
• 1996 - Cleta Mitchell, previously a member of the Oklahoma House of Representatives (1976–1984)[citation needed]
• 1997 – Steve Windom, Alabama State Senator, later Lieutenant Governor of Alabama (1999–2003)[citation needed]
• 1997 – Kevin Mannix, Oregon State Representative[citation needed]
• 1997 – Michael J. Michot, Louisiana House of Representatives[citation needed]
• 1997 – Chip Bailey, Alabama State Senator[citation needed]
• 1997 – H. Mac Gipson, Alabama State Representative[citation needed]
• 1997 – Ronald Johnson, Alabama State Representative[citation needed]
• 1998 – Harry C. Goode Jr., Florida State Representative[citation needed]
• 1998 – George Wallace Jr., former Alabama State Treasurer (1987–1995)[citation needed]
• 1998 – Gerald Allen, Alabama State Representative[citation needed]
• 1998 – Steve Flowers, Alabama State Representative[citation needed]
• 1998 – Tim Parker Jr., Alabama State Representative[citation needed]
• 1998 – Herman Badillo, former U.S. Representative from New York (1971–1977)[citation needed]
• 1998 – David G. Boschert, Maryland State Delegate[citation needed]
• 1998 – Sonny Perdue, Georgia State Senator. Later became the 81st Governor of Georgia (2003–2011) and the 31st United States Secretary of Agriculture[citation needed]
• 1999 – Nancy Larraine Hoffmann, New York State Senator[citation needed]

2000–2009[edit]​

• 2000 – Robert J. Barham, Louisiana State Senator
• 2000 – Tom McVea, Louisiana State Representative
• 2001 – Blaine Galliher, Alabama State Representative[43]
• 2001 – Clinton LeSueur (born 1969), journalist and political aide.[44]
• 2001 – Hunt Downer, Louisiana State Representative
• 2002 – Amy Tuck, Lieutenant Governor of Mississippi[45]
• 2002 – Olga A. Méndez, New York State Senator
• 2002 – Don Cheeks, Georgia State Senator
• 2002 – Dan Lee, Georgia State Senator
• 2002 – Rooney Bowen, Georgia State Senator
• 2002 – Jack Hill, Georgia State Senator
• 2002 – Terry C. Burton, Mississippi State Senator[46]
• 2002 – Videt Carmichael (born 1950), Mississippi State Senator[46]
• 2002 – Kay Ivey, Alabama State Treasurer (2003–2011), Lieutenant Governor of Alabama (2011–2017), Governor of Alabama (2017–present)
• 2003 – James David Cain, Louisiana State Senator
• 2003 – Travis Little, Mississippi State Senator
• 2003 – Larry Baker, Mississippi State Representative[47]
• 2003 – Jim Barnett, Mississippi State Representative[47]
• 2003 – Herb Frierson, Mississippi State Representative[47]
• 2003 – Frank Hamilton, Mississippi State Representative[47]
• 2003 – John Read, Mississippi State Representative[47]
• 2003 – Melinda Schwegmann, former lieutenant governor of Louisiana (1992–1996)
• 2003 – Rick Sheehy, Mayor of Hastings, Nebraska
• 2004 – Ralph Hall, while U.S. Representative from Texas (1981–2015)[48][49]
• 2004 – Rodney Alexander, while U.S. Representative from Louisiana (2004–2013)[50]
• 2004 – Steve Beren
• 2004 – Ralph Doxey, Mississippi State Senator

 

[Dadoalex]

And that is what is known as a "lie".

The "South" is made up of 16 states, and they are Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and West Virginia.

And in 1968 with the American Independent Party, George Wallace won five of them. And they are Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana,

He did not win "nearly the entire South". He did not even win "a majority" or even "half". He won exactly five states out of 16, or less than 1/3 of the states.

YOu see, that is what happens when you simply try to make things up and claim things that are not true. Others come along and prove that you are wrong.

And yes, he won 46 electors out of 538. 270 of which were needed to be elected. He came nowhere even close, he had less than 1/5 of those needed to get elected.

have a nice day.

Then I guess you lied first.

"He ran under the AIP once, and when he won no states he returned to the Democrats for his final two runs. Then he did at least win several states".

We'll have to disagree on what constituted "the South" in 1968 but it did not include Maryland, West virginia, Delaware or Kentucky.

But

If you care to look at the popular vote by state Wallace came reasonably close in Florida, North carolina, TN, and VA.

 

[Dadoalex]

From what a gather yes.

Why Black people would want to preserve their place in 2023 society is inexplicable.
But
If true, then yes.

 

[whitehall]

Wallace won 46 electoral votes and nearly the entire South as the racist candidate in 1968.
Thus informing the GOP decision to pursue the Southern strategy.

Wallace was a democrat who was gaining in the polls. Is it possible that the CIA recruited George Bremer to assassinate him?

 

[Dadoalex]

Wallace was a democrat who was gaining in the polls. Is it possible that the CIA recruited George Bremer to assassinate him?

Golly.
Maybe Nixon ordered him hit so he wouldn't run third party again and steal the newly acquired Southern Strategy vote
or
Maybe McGovern
or...

Maybe he was a loon like many we have on this board?

 

[Mushroom]

Sigh...

So your response is everybody who ever changed parties? That is nothing like what you tried to claim.

And holy hell, you literally listed everybody who changed parties. Even the Latino kid who was born in California in the 1980s is now a "Southern Racist". Holy hell, even the guy from Puerto Rico who served as a representative from New York is a "Southern Racist".

That is not verifying what you said, it is not even close. Nice fail though, nice fail.

You see, that is the problem when you simply post something you claim is true. Some of us will actually look through that TLDR and pick some out at random to check. And I checked about 10 of them and not a single one was what you claimed it was. You just stole from somewhere a list of anybody that changed parties. California, New York, does n9ot matter, if they changed you are now blasting them automatically as a "Southern Racist".

 

[Mushroom]

We'll have to disagree on what constituted "the South" in 1968 but it did not include Maryland, West virginia, Delaware or Kentucky.

No matter how you count it, he did not win all of the south, or even half of the south.

Oh, and West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and Kentucky are unquestionable "Southern States". Hell, they were even all slave states at the start of the Civil War.

You were aware that there actually were slave states that fought for the Union, right?

 

[westwall]

I accept the empire was shit. What else do you want ?

For you to fight for reparations from YOUR government. We kicked your sorry asses to the curb for a reason.

You reinforce just how great that was everytime you pollute this message board.

 

[Mushroom]

"He ran under the AIP once, and when he won no states he returned to the Democrats for his final two runs. Then he did at least win several states".

No, I was correct. He actually won under many parties in 1968, but the main one is the AIP. He was listed in some of the primaries as a nominee for the Democratic Party, but in the Democratic Primaries only won 0.5% of the vote. To give an idea, Bear Bryant got more votes than that at 1,5%.

The AIP was a party created for George Wallace, and he was the only person to run under it. But he still was listed in the primaries of many states for the Democratic Party. And even in the election itself some states listed the AIP as the "George Wallace Party".

The next year the party dissolved and became the American Party.

 

[Mushroom]

Wallace was a democrat who was gaining in the polls. Is it possible that the CIA recruited George Bremer to assassinate him?

In 1972? When the election was one of the largest landslides in US history?

That would be like trying to claim that the CIA planned to will Walter Mondale in 1984.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

For you to fight for reparations from YOUR government. We kicked your sorry asses to the curb for a reason.

You reinforce just how great that was everytime you pollute this message board.

It wasnt great for the folk in Ocoee who were massacred before you stole their land.

 

[lg325]

the 1972 Democratic primary votes note George Wallace's vote count and states won. Wallaces stes won are in green.

3,014 delegates to the 1972 Democratic National Convention 1,509 delegate votes needed to win
← 1968 January 24 to June 20, 1972 1976 →
Candidate George McGovern Hubert Humphrey George Wallace Home state South Dakota Minnesota Alabama Delegate count 1,378.9 386.3 377 Contests won 14 6 6 Popular vote 4,053,451 4,121,372 3,755,424 Percentage 25.3% 25.8% 23.5% Candidate Edmund Muskie Henry M. Jackson Shirley Chisholm Home state Maine Washington New York Delegate count 209.1 53.75 28.65 Contests won 5 6 2 Popular vote 1,840,217 505,198 430,703 Percentage 11.5% 3.2% 2.69