The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[Lastamender]

Neither was the bombing of Tokyo

I did not ask you, grapehead.

 

[Vegasgiants]

The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II | National Security Archive

To mark the 75th anniversary of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945, the National Security Archive is updating and reposting one of its most popular e-books of the past 25 years.

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Try reading REAL history for a change.

You should read Gar Alperovitz

I did not ask you, grapehead.

HAHAHAHA

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Three days s not much proof

It was more than enough after the second bomb

Dropping a bomb and then offering terms would be proof

a second bomb is the proof, and no processing time necessary...how long do you think it would have taken to process the terms?

 

[Vegasgiants]

It was more than enough after the second bomb

a second bomb is the proof, and no processing time necessary...how long do you think it would have taken to process the terms?

One day given the right terms

 

[Open Bolt]

You should read Gar Alperovitz

No one should ever read Gar Alperovitz.

He is known to misquote people and make it sound like they said the opposite of what they really said.

One day given the right terms

We had no intention of ever letting Japan end the war in a draw without surrendering (like the Korean War later ended).

 

[Vegasgiants]

No one should ever read Gar Alperovitz.

He is known to misquote people and make it sound like they said the opposite of what they really said.



We had no intention of ever letting Japan end the war in a draw without surrendering (like the Korean War later ended).

Oh look another empty claim without evidence


Terms of surrender einstein

 

[gipper]

That is incorrect. Mr. Truman never did anything wrong.



That would be murder. Murder is wrong.



No they weren't. The Nazis committed real crimes.

Only an ignoramus would think there’s nothing wrong with mass murdering defenseless women and children. Are you a Nazi or a Commie?

 

[gipper]

He was kept out of the loop for most of the war. He finally gets up to the plate and he whiffs it

Worst than whiffs. He chose mass murder of defenseless women and children to impress Uncle Joe. Only a warmongering fool would think he did the right thing.

 

[Open Bolt]

Terms of surrender einstein

Before the Soviets went to war against him, Hirohito was plotting to get the Soviets to assist him in ending the war in a draw without surrendering (like the Korean War later ended).

It was only after the Soviet war declaration ended the possibility of their helping him to do this that Hirohito shifted gears and contemplated surrender.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Before the Soviets went to war against him, Hirohito was plotting to get the Soviets to assist him in ending the war in a draw without surrendering (like the Korean War later ended).

It was only after the Soviet war declaration ended the possibility of their helping him to do this that Hirohito shifted gears and contemplated surrender.

Exactly. We could have just waited for the Soviets to enter the war and it's over


No bombs needed

I agree completely

 

[Open Bolt]

Exactly. We could have just waited for the Soviets to enter the war and it's over
No bombs needed
I agree completely

Hindsight is always easy.

But what happens when we get to the Cuban Missile Crisis without the example of Hiroshima to restrain the US and USSR from nuclear war?

 

[Open Bolt]

Only an ignoramus would think there’s nothing wrong with mass murdering defenseless women and children. Are you a Nazi or a Commie?

Worst than whiffs. He chose mass murder of defenseless women and children

Don't be silly. Wartime strikes against military targets are not murder.

For an example of mass murder, look to the peacetime attack against Pearl Harbor.

to impress Uncle Joe.

No. The reason why we bomb countries that we are at war with is to try to make them surrender.

Only a warmongering fool would think he did the right thing.

There is nothing foolish about warmongering.

War is how we protect ourselves from the bad guys.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Hindsight is always easy.

But what happens when we get to the Cuban Missile Crisis without the example of Hiroshima to restrain the US and USSR from nuclear war?

Cuba has nothing to do with this.


Why the rush to drop the bomb? WAIT THREE DAYS!!!!


Because Truman did not want a surrender until he got to show Russia his new toy


The bombs were not for Japan .....they were for russia

 

[Lastamender]

Oh look another empty claim without evidence


Terms of surrender einstein

This is probably evidence to you.

 

[Vegasgiants]

This is probably evidence to you.

What?

 

[gipper]

Don't be silly. Wartime strikes against military targets are not murder.

For an example of mass murder, look to the peacetime attack against Pearl Harbor.



No. The reason why we bomb countries that we are at war with is to try to make them surrender.



There is nothing foolish about warmongering.

War is how we protect ourselves from the bad guys.

All wrong. Killing defenseless civilians is ALWAYS a war crime except in the minds of duped Americans, who excuse their government of heinous acts but would never excuse any other nation’s government.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

All wrong. Killing defenseless civilians is ALWAYS a war crime except in the minds of duped Americans, who excuse their government of heinous acts but would never excuse any other nation’s government.

Well then every participant in WW2 was guilty.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Well then every participant in WW2 was guilty.

I disagree with him that targeting areas that could contain civilians is wrong in war.

It is a disgusting necessity sometimes


But doing it needlessly is always wrong

 

[Leo123]

All wrong. Killing defenseless civilians is ALWAYS a war crime except in the minds of duped Americans, who excuse their government of heinous acts but would never excuse any other nation’s government.

The Japanese did some of the most heinous warcrimes. Meanwhile Hirohito cowardly tried to claim he had little power and walked.

"The issue of Emperor Hirohito's war responsibility is a controversial matter.[4] There is no consensus among scholars. During wartime the allies frequently depicted Hirohito to equate with Hitler and Mussolini as the three Axis dictators.[51] The apologist thesis, which argues that Hirohito had been a "powerless figurehead" without any implication in wartime policies, was the dominant postwar narrative until 1989.[52][53] After Hirohito's death, critical historians[54] say that Hirohito wielded more power than previously believed,[51][54][55] and he was actively involved in the decision to launch the war as well as in other political and military decisions before.[56] Moderates argue that Hirohito had some involvement, but his power was limited by cabinet members, ministers and other people of the military oligarchy.[57]"

Hirohito - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Open Bolt]

All wrong.

Not wrong.

Wartime strikes against military targets are not murder.

Peacetime attacks like Pearl Harbor are murder.

The reason why we bomb countries that we are at war with is to try to make them surrender.

War is how we protect ourselves from the bad guys.

Killing defenseless civilians is ALWAYS a war crime except in the minds of duped Americans, who excuse their government of heinous acts but would never excuse any other nation’s government.

Military targets are hardly defenseless civilians.