The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[Unkotare]

Admiral William D. Leahy, Truman’s own chief of staff said the following....

...the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. . . . My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make wars in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.

It is nothing but his "feelings". Can you suggest any arguments?

"[W]ars cannot be won by destroying women and children" sounds like an argument.

It is the stupid "argument". There were plenty of wars, won by destroying women and children.

Which ones?

 

[Unkotare]

One bomb just for the “ death marches on Americans “

Can you find one quote from one political or military leader of that time indicating that we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians as an act of revenge?

No
But the bombs had to fall

Why?

The Japs would have fought to the end .
Millions would die in the coming US land invasion
It had to be done

And what is worse we don't know, would they have surrendered to our troops or to the Russians? The divided Japan, as divided Germany, would dramatically change scenarios of Korean and Vietnam wars.
Yes, thousands of Japans died, but millions of them didn't become communists. And it is much better to be dead than red.

Dupe

Ok. Let's play game. There were three main reasons for Japan's surrender in our reality:
1) Defeat of their Navy and naval blocade;
2) Nuclear attack;
3) Russia's entry into the war.
If we don't nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Russians capture Sakhalin, Hokkaido and Northern Honshu and create another puppet Communistic state.

Except these RETARDS keep claiming Japan offered to surrender to all demands except the Emperor before the bombs.

Clearly they did try to surrender as early as 1944, before Stalin’s Stooge died. You’re just too dumb to comprehend.

Offering a ceasefire return to 41 start lines and no consequences to Japan is not an offer to surrender.

Stop lying, old man.

 

[Unkotare]

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

People who say that Japan was not trying to find a way to end the war do not understand Japanese culture and the value they place on honor.

 

[Silver Cat]

One bomb just for the “ death marches on Americans “

Can you find one quote from one political or military leader of that time indicating that we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians as an act of revenge?

No
But the bombs had to fall

Why?

The Japs would have fought to the end .
Millions would die in the coming US land invasion
It had to be done

And what is worse we don't know, would they have surrendered to our troops or to the Russians? The divided Japan, as divided Germany, would dramatically change scenarios of Korean and Vietnam wars.
Yes, thousands of Japans died, but millions of them didn't become communists. And it is much better to be dead than red.

Dupe

Ok. Let's play game. There were three main reasons for Japan's surrender in our reality:
1) Defeat of their Navy and naval blocade;
2) Nuclear attack;
3) Russia's entry into the war.
If we don't nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Russians capture Sakhalin, Hokkaido and Northern Honshu and create another puppet Communistic state.

Except these RETARDS keep claiming Japan offered to surrender to all demands except the Emperor before the bombs.

Clearly they did try to surrender as early as 1944, before Stalin’s Stooge died. You’re just too dumb to comprehend.

1) They didn't try to "surrender". They were searching for the "peace on their terms".
2) Even if they want to surrender we can accept or not accept it. It is our choice - how merciful we can be that time.

 

[Unkotare]

One bomb just for the “ death marches on Americans “

Can you find one quote from one political or military leader of that time indicating that we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians as an act of revenge?

No
But the bombs had to fall

Why?

The Japs would have fought to the end .
Millions would die in the coming US land invasion
It had to be done

And what is worse we don't know, would they have surrendered to our troops or to the Russians? The divided Japan, as divided Germany, would dramatically change scenarios of Korean and Vietnam wars.
Yes, thousands of Japans died, but millions of them didn't become communists. And it is much better to be dead than red.

Dupe

Ok. Let's play game. There were three main reasons for Japan's surrender in our reality:
1) Defeat of their Navy and naval blocade;
2) Nuclear attack;
3) Russia's entry into the war.
If we don't nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Russians capture Sakhalin, Hokkaido and Northern Honshu and create another puppet Communistic state.

Except these RETARDS keep claiming Japan offered to surrender to all demands except the Emperor before the bombs.

Clearly they did try to surrender as early as 1944, before Stalin’s Stooge died. You’re just too dumb to comprehend.

1) They didn't try to "surrender". They were searching for the "peace on their terms".
...

Read the fucking link for cryin' out loud.

 

[Silver Cat]

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Stupid journalists of Chicago Tribune can't even match the number of the terms. First they wrote about "five unofficial Japanese peace overtures", but then they wrote about 7 terms of capitulation. And yes, actual instrument of surrender was different:

 

[Unkotare]

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Stupid journalists of Chicago Tribune can't even match the number of the terms. First they wrote about "five unofficial Japanese peace overtures", but then they wrote about 7 terms of capitulation. ...

Wow. What is your first language?

 

[Silver Cat]

Admiral William D. Leahy, Truman’s own chief of staff said the following....

...the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. . . . My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make wars in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.

It is nothing but his "feelings". Can you suggest any arguments?

"[W]ars cannot be won by destroying women and children" sounds like an argument.

It is the stupid "argument". There were plenty of wars, won by destroying women and children.

Which ones?

Many of them. Starting from Jewish conquer of the lands of modern Israel and finishing by Kosovo war.

 

[Silver Cat]

archive.ph

See the list

Stupid journalists of Chicago Tribune can't even match the number of the terms. First they wrote about "five unofficial Japanese peace overtures", but then they wrote about 7 terms of capitulation. ...

Wow. What is your first language?

What is yours? Can you see the difference between journalist's nonsense and actual instrument of surrender?

 

[gipper]

One bomb just for the “ death marches on Americans “

Can you find one quote from one political or military leader of that time indicating that we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians as an act of revenge?

No
But the bombs had to fall

Why?

The Japs would have fought to the end .
Millions would die in the coming US land invasion
It had to be done

And what is worse we don't know, would they have surrendered to our troops or to the Russians? The divided Japan, as divided Germany, would dramatically change scenarios of Korean and Vietnam wars.
Yes, thousands of Japans died, but millions of them didn't become communists. And it is much better to be dead than red.

Dupe

Ok. Let's play game. There were three main reasons for Japan's surrender in our reality:
1) Defeat of their Navy and naval blocade;
2) Nuclear attack;
3) Russia's entry into the war.
If we don't nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Russians capture Sakhalin, Hokkaido and Northern Honshu and create another puppet Communistic state.

Except these RETARDS keep claiming Japan offered to surrender to all demands except the Emperor before the bombs.

Clearly they did try to surrender as early as 1944, before Stalin’s Stooge died. You’re just too dumb to comprehend.

1) They didn't try to "surrender". They were searching for the "peace on their terms".
...

Read the fucking link for cryin' out loud.

They won’t. They are all pussies. They can’t accept the truth.

 

[Dick Foster]

One bomb just for the “ death marches on Americans “

Can you find one quote from one political or military leader of that time indicating that we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians as an act of revenge?

No
But the bombs had to fall

Why?

The Jap[anese] would have fought to the end .
Millions would die in the coming US land invasion
It had to be done

That is the soothing myth that has been promulgated for the past 75 years. Casualty numbers for a hypothetical invasion are, by definition, speculative. An invasion was not the only other option than incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians in atomic fire. America's military leaders of the day recognized that Japan's military was all but defeated. The civilian population was starving and demoralized. It was a choice but it did not "have to be done."

Was Okinawa speculation, asshole?

Want to try and focus on the discussion, champ? The bloodthirsty fdr had the opportunity to pursue peace via the surrender of Japan before Okinawa ever happened. You really think he cared about the lives of American servicemen, asshole? He didn't care about American civilians. He didn't care about the Constitution. He seemed to care a great deal about carrying water for Uncle Joe.

Bullshit! FDR was dead when the bomb was dropped you moron and Truman was president. But FDR was indeed a commie asshole. Still Japan got the nuke, they needed the nuke and they deserved the nuke. Hell they weren't nuked enough and if they hadn't already nuked themselves with Fukushima I'd say we should go and nuke the assholes again. At least till they owned up to all the crap they did back then which the assholes still won't do.

 

[gipper]

One bomb just for the “ death marches on Americans “

Can you find one quote from one political or military leader of that time indicating that we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians as an act of revenge?

No
But the bombs had to fall

Why?

The Jap[anese] would have fought to the end .
Millions would die in the coming US land invasion
It had to be done

That is the soothing myth that has been promulgated for the past 75 years. Casualty numbers for a hypothetical invasion are, by definition, speculative. An invasion was not the only other option than incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians in atomic fire. America's military leaders of the day recognized that Japan's military was all but defeated. The civilian population was starving and demoralized. It was a choice but it did not "have to be done."

Was Okinawa speculation, asshole?

Want to try and focus on the discussion, champ? The bloodthirsty fdr had the opportunity to pursue peace via the surrender of Japan before Okinawa ever happened. You really think he cared about the lives of American servicemen, asshole? He didn't care about American civilians. He didn't care about the Constitution. He seemed to care a great deal about carrying water for Uncle Joe.

Bullshit! FDR was dead when the bomb was dropped you moron and Truman was president. But FDR uas indeed a commie asshole. Still Japan got the nuke, they needed the nuke and they deserved the nuke. Hell they weren't nuked enough and if they hadn't already nuked themselves with Fukushima I'd say we should go and nuke the assholes again. At least till they owned up to all the crap they did back then which the assholes still won't do.

Oh man are you crazy. Seek help.

 

[Silver Cat]

One bomb just for the “ death marches on Americans “

Can you find one quote from one political or military leader of that time indicating that we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians as an act of revenge?

No
But the bombs had to fall

Why?

The Japs would have fought to the end .
Millions would die in the coming US land invasion
It had to be done

And what is worse we don't know, would they have surrendered to our troops or to the Russians? The divided Japan, as divided Germany, would dramatically change scenarios of Korean and Vietnam wars.
Yes, thousands of Japans died, but millions of them didn't become communists. And it is much better to be dead than red.

Dupe

Ok. Let's play game. There were three main reasons for Japan's surrender in our reality:
1) Defeat of their Navy and naval blocade;
2) Nuclear attack;
3) Russia's entry into the war.
If we don't nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Russians capture Sakhalin, Hokkaido and Northern Honshu and create another puppet Communistic state.

Except these RETARDS keep claiming Japan offered to surrender to all demands except the Emperor before the bombs.

Clearly they did try to surrender as early as 1944, before Stalin’s Stooge died. You’re just too dumb to comprehend.

1) They didn't try to "surrender". They were searching for the "peace on their terms".
...

Read the fucking link for cryin' out loud.

They won’t. They are all pussies. They can’t accept the truth.

1) The article in Chicago Tribune proves nothing. They are well-known liars. Do you have real documents?

2) Peace with Japan in 1944 means another big war in Pacific in next ten-twenty years. Japan really needed to be crushed, and Japanese minds needed to be formatted in the different way.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A point of view from an actual historian and a Japanese one at that. Prey tell where is this offer to surrender in his claims?

Would Japan have surrendered without the atomic bombings?

In the United States, generations were taught that Japan would never have surrendered so quickly without use of the atomic bomb and that victory would have required a bloody invasion of the Japanese mainland, costing hundreds of thousands of lives. Japanese students were generally taught a very...

www.stripes.com

 

[RetiredGySgt]

One bomb just for the “ death marches on Americans “

Can you find one quote from one political or military leader of that time indicating that we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians as an act of revenge?

No
But the bombs had to fall

Why?

The Japs would have fought to the end .
Millions would die in the coming US land invasion
It had to be done

And what is worse we don't know, would they have surrendered to our troops or to the Russians? The divided Japan, as divided Germany, would dramatically change scenarios of Korean and Vietnam wars.
Yes, thousands of Japans died, but millions of them didn't become communists. And it is much better to be dead than red.

Dupe

Ok. Let's play game. There were three main reasons for Japan's surrender in our reality:
1) Defeat of their Navy and naval blocade;
2) Nuclear attack;
3) Russia's entry into the war.
If we don't nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Russians capture Sakhalin, Hokkaido and Northern Honshu and create another puppet Communistic state.

Except these RETARDS keep claiming Japan offered to surrender to all demands except the Emperor before the bombs.

Clearly they did try to surrender as early as 1944, before Stalin’s Stooge died. You’re just too dumb to comprehend.

1) They didn't try to "surrender". They were searching for the "peace on their terms".
...

Read the fucking link for cryin' out loud.

They won’t. They are all pussies. They can’t accept the truth.

1) The article in Chicago Tribune proves nothing. They are well-known liars. Do you have real documents?

2) Peace with Japan in 1944 means another big war in Pacific in next ten-twenty years. Japan really needed to be crushed, and Japanese minds needed to be formatted in the different way.

I just quoted a Japanese Historian and at no time has he claimed that Japan actually offered what the two buffoons claim. He was a child in the fire bombing of Tokyo and while he says they may have surrendered with out the A Bombs he does NOT claim what these two claim. I have asked numerous times for an official Government document that supports their position and the paper claims there is one BU low and BEHOLD none of them actually produce it link to it or quote it.

 

[Dick Foster]

One bomb just for the “ death marches on Americans “

Can you find one quote from one political or military leader of that time indicating that we incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians as an act of revenge?

No
But the bombs had to fall

Why?

The Jap[anese] would have fought to the end .
Millions would die in the coming US land invasion
It had to be done

That is the soothing myth that has been promulgated for the past 75 years. Casualty numbers for a hypothetical invasion are, by definition, speculative. An invasion was not the only other option than incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians in atomic fire. America's military leaders of the day recognized that Japan's military was all but defeated. The civilian population was starving and demoralized. It was a choice but it did not "have to be done."

Was Okinawa speculation, asshole?

Want to try and focus on the discussion, champ? The bloodthirsty fdr had the opportunity to pursue peace via the surrender of Japan before Okinawa ever happened. You really think he cared about the lives of American servicemen, asshole? He didn't care about American civilians. He didn't care about the Constitution. He seemed to care a great deal about carrying water for Uncle Joe.

Bullshit! FDR was dead when the bomb was dropped you moron and Truman was president. But FDR uas indeed a commie asshole. Still Japan got the nuke, they needed the nuke and they deserved the nuke. Hell they weren't nuked enough and if they hadn't already nuked themselves with Fukushima I'd say we should go and nuke the assholes again. At least till they owned up to all the crap they did back then which the assholes still won't do.

Oh man are you crazy. Seek help.

I may be crazy but I'm not stupid like you.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Another book excerpt dealing specifically with all the supposed peace offers. It is a long read but basically it states that at NO time did the big 6 or the Emperor EVER offer peace BEFORE the surrender. All the other attempts were NOT Government sanctioned the only sanctioned attempts were to the Soviets and there they tried to bribe the Soviets into helping them with an offer of alliance against the US.

Did Japan really try to surrender before the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima? - Quora

 

[gipper]

Another book excerpt dealing specifically with all the supposed peace offers. It is a long read but basically it states that at NO time did the big 6 or the Emperor EVER offer peace BEFORE the surrender. All the other attempts were NOT Government sanctioned the only sanctioned attempts were to the Soviets and there they tried to bribe the Soviets into helping them with an offer of alliance against the US.

Did Japan really try to surrender before the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima? - Quora

Why would you believe liars trying to cover up world history’s greatest crime?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Another book excerpt dealing specifically with all the supposed peace offers. It is a long read but basically it states that at NO time did the big 6 or the Emperor EVER offer peace BEFORE the surrender. All the other attempts were NOT Government sanctioned the only sanctioned attempts were to the Soviets and there they tried to bribe the Soviets into helping them with an offer of alliance against the US.

Did Japan really try to surrender before the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima? - Quora

Why would you believe liars trying to cover up world history’s greatest crime?

So a Japanese Historian that survived the Tokyo fire bombings is trying to cover up what the US did ehh?