The next offensive must focus on decimating the IRGC.

[toomuchtime_]

It's not true. At least one F-35A was damaged by Iranian air defence. And it was during carefully planned operation, avoiding possible losses. If you want to attack heavily defended targets (especially now, when Iran is better prepared) be ready to lost much more planes without achieving any meaningful result.

CRS Report Details Loss or Damage of 42 U.S. Aircraft During Operation Epic Fury in Iran

WASHINGTON May 19 2026 A newly released report by the Congressional Research Service CRS has outlined significant U S aircraft losses and damage sustained during

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One F-35 damged out of thousands of sorties means there is minimal risk to F-35 planes and crews.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Who??? That is a movie! You know. Fiction?

I know that but appparently Zavulon gets his information about warfare from movies.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Hmmm...it looks like Zavulon should be more concerned with Ukraine kicking Russia's ass lately than with Iran! Moscow is in flames. Russia's air defenses are being overwhelmed by Ukraine's drones.

 

[Zavulon]

We won't launch first, but if we are hit with a nuke we launch. All it takes is the president and the "nuclear football".

Not necessarily for both cases.

Only 125,000 have guns, that's the number of IRGC still standing.

It's simply not true. More than one million of Iranians had been mobilised since the start of US aggression, plus there are up to 20 mln reservists which are preparing to get weapons, too, plus there were more than 600,000 in regular army, plus more than 260,000 in Police and FARAJA.

The 20% of the population that supports the mullahs will get theirs after the new regime gets in.

If those who actively support the mullahs are all able to fight with weapons in their hands, it basically means that almost all Iranians support their freedom and independence.
I mean right now some 30% of Americans support Trump, but how many of not-supporters are actually ready to kill him?

Giving nukes to Iran is not worth the risk to Russia or China.

Who told you this? Any analysis how Russia and China are see the situation, and what is the list of possible opportunities and unacceptable postures?

Americans are only in the middle-east where we are invited. America never takes more ground than needed to bury our dead.

It's simply not true. You took from Mexico much more territory.

Trump will be in office until January 2029, he isn't going to die. Even if he does, JD Vance would continue Trump's policies.

Even after they are losing Midterms and support in Congress?

Impeachment is a joke, Republican senators know if they vote to remove they will be voted out like Senator Cassidy just was.

Who knows, what will happen in future? This war isn't very popular among Americans and either Trump is losing support of Congress, or Congress (and the whole political regime) is losing support of Americans. And Congress more need Americans than Americans need Congress.

OK, you're rooting for Iran, I'm rooting for the USA, we'll see who comes thru the war in better condition.

No. I'm rooting for the USA and you are rooting for Trump and Bibi.

Was the JCPOA just a formal excuse?
The world does not want Iran to have nukes, Trump is just enforcing that policy by military means.

C'mon, the world (or even five "legal" nuclear states) didn't give him permission to do so. And when a policeman is shooting people who's only crime was possession of some valuable things, and stealing their property and is not controlled by a Judge and/or Mayor, who ignore and intentionally violates written laws.... Ok, even in America he is not a cop, he is a gangster.
The world doesn't see you attack justified, because it's not justified.

If Iran wants nuclear energy we will give them free nuclear fuel.

Enriched for 93% as you give to Australia? I very doubt it. You have problems with enrichment nowadays, you know, and you don't want to leave Australia defenseless against China.

If Iran doesn't surrender soon there won't be much Iranian oil left.

Or, if you don't stop this war, it's quite possible, there won't be much American economy (as we know it) left.

 

[Zavulon]

One F-35 damged out of thousands of sorties means there is minimal risk to F-35 planes and crews.

It's minimal if you use them against poorly defender targets, already prepared by previous bomb and cruise missile attacks. And you need much more attacks to actually destroy Iranian civilian infrastructure and cause more or less permanent pressure effect. You need much more forces to do it.

 

[Man With A Plan]

It's minimal if you use them against poorly defender targets, already prepared by previous bomb and cruise missile attacks. And you need much more attacks to actually destroy Iranian civilian infrastructure and cause more or less permanent pressure effect. You need much more forces to do it.

Hey, Zavulon! How's your war with Ukraine going? Had enough yet? Turns out the big bad bear isn't really all that "bad" at all!

 

[Zavulon]

Hey, Zavulon! How's your war with Ukraine going? Had enough yet? Turns out the big bad bear isn't really all that "bad" at all!

It's going quite good. We are not "bad" at all we are good. Actually , we are the best people on this planet. Practically saints. We just want to achieve our vital goals (defending ourselves) with minimal losses, and minumal collateral damage. That's all.

 

[Man With A Plan]

It's going quite good. We are not "bad" at all we are good. Actually , we are the best people on this planet. Practically saints. We just want to achieve our vital goals (defending ourselves) with minimal losses, and minumal collateral damage. That's all.

Oh you were "defending" yourselves when you attacked Ukraine? LOL

You thought you could pick off a weaker neighbor with brute force! You thought you'd roll over Ukraine's armed forces in a matter of a few weeks! Now Ukraine is not only still defending it's territory it's striking back inside Russia in a way that has Putin shitting his tiny little trousers! The world is laughing at the Russian "bear", Zavulon!

 

[luiza]

One F-35 damged out of thousands of sorties means there is minimal risk to F-35 planes and crews

No discussion worthwhile .
You have eaten and paid for the steak and you enjoyed it !!!
So live with the long term consequences .

There are some 3000 injured and dead American servicemen distributed secretly across ME hospitals .
How many planes suffered similiarly when all US bases were decimated ?
Not one?
Remarkable .


Remind us of the losses suffered when the US tried a small ground invasion / operation to recover enriched Uranium "powder" .
The sortie that was Faked as an operation to rescue a downed pilot .

Time will show which side released the more full and truthful details .
BUT Strange that Colonel Trumpfy is so reluctant to finish off a backward people lacking a navy and airforce .

Is that a bit of a foul stench hanging in the air.
The result of a few Stink Think Bombs ?

 

[Man With A Plan]

You have eaten and paid for the steak and you enjoyed it !!!
So live with the long term consequences .

There are some 3000 injured and dead American servicemen distributed secretly across ME hospitals .
How many planes suffered similiarly when all US bases were decimated ?
Not one?
Remarkable .


Remind us of the losses suffered when the US tried a small ground invasion / operation to recover enriched Uranium "powder" .
The sortie that was Faked as an operation to rescue a downed pilot .

Time will show which side released the more full and truthful details .
BUT Strange that Colonel Trumpfy is so reluctant to finish off a backward people lacking a navy and airforce .

Is that a bit of a foul stench hanging in the air.
The result of a few Stink Think Bombs ?

You want Iran to "win" so bad it hurts...don't you, Luiza? It's gotta be killing you that the US military is succeeding!

 

[luiza]

You want Iran to "win" so bad it hurts...don't you, Luiza? It's gotta be killing you that the US military is succeeding!

As a professional gambler and winner I never have a favourite for anything or anybody .
I am only interested in Mathematical Odds and the notion of Best Value for Money .
Which is Why I win consistently .

I have told you all repeatedly that the Iran conflict is 100% Theatre and that the true motivations among the Big Boys are a million miles removed from Muncher perceptions .
And you are obviously included .

I also love winding up Americans who now generally rank very low for IQ or wit .

 

[kyzr]

Not necessarily for both cases.

Yes necessary in both cases. If we get hit with a nuke we launch nukes. All it takes is the president to push a button.

It's simply not true. More than one million of Iranians had been mobilised since the start of US aggression, plus there are up to 20 mln reservists which are preparing to get weapons, too, plus there were more than 600,000 in regular army, plus more than 260,000 in Police and FARAJA. If those who actively support the mullahs are all able to fight with weapons in their hands, it basically means that almost all Iranians support their freedom and independence.

If 80% 0f the population opposes the current regime most of them will not fight with the IRGC, including the Artesh, the regular army. No one wants to get bombed.

I mean right now some 30% of Americans support Trump, but how many of not-supporters are actually ready to kill him?

We have a few crazies with guns, but the Secret Service does a good job protecting the president.

Who told you this? Any analysis how Russia and China are see the situation, and what is the list of possible opportunities and unacceptable postures?

If the US gets hit with a nuke given to Iran by Russia or China, Russia or China would get nuked in retaliation. A simple fact.

It's simply not true. You took from Mexico much more territory.

I'm talking since WW1, ~1900, not ancient history.

Even after they are losing Midterms and support in Congress?

Yes, even if Republicans lose in the mid-terms. That would only give democrats congress. Republicans would still control the senate and the presidency. It would be very messy since they would never agree on anything. But, since states are redistricting the Republicans stand a good chance to keep Congress.

Who knows, what will happen in future? This war isn't very popular among Americans and either Trump is losing support of Congress, or Congress (and the whole political regime) is losing support of Americans. And Congress more need Americans than Americans need Congress.

The mid-terms will sort that out. True the war is unpopular, but no one wants Iran to get nukes and ICBMs.

No. I'm rooting for the USA and you are rooting for Trump and Bibi.

I am not a Bibi fan.

C'mon, the world (or even five "legal" nuclear states) didn't give him permission to do so. And when a policeman is shooting people who's only crime was possession of some valuable things, and stealing their property and is not controlled by a Judge and/or Mayor, who ignore and intentionally violates written laws.... Ok, even in America he is not a cop, he is a gangster. The world doesn't see your attack justified, because it's not justified.

The US doesn't need "permission" to protect ourselves from terrorists.
The JCPOA tried to keep Iran from developing nukes, but the JCPOA failed, the president took action.

Or, if you don't stop this war, it's quite possible, there won't be much American economy (as we know it) left.

The US economy is very strong, we have our own energy supplies. The tiny Russian economy is very weak.
The economists are saying that AI is about to revolutionize everything, like discovering fire or electricity. Russia is going to be left in the dust.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Hmmm...it looks like Zavulon should be more concerned with Ukraine kicking Russia's ass lately than with Iran! Moscow is in flames. Russia's air defenses are being overwhelmed by Ukraine's drones.

I am very ok with Ukraine kicking the living shit out of the USSR er Russian Empire.

 

[Zavulon]

Oh you were "defending" yourselves when you attacked Ukraine? LOL

Yes. Kievan regime, controlled by ressurected European Nazism, had started genocide of Russians, and they had attacked two independent states (recognised by us, and allied with us) - Lugansk and Donetsk People Republics.

You thought you could pick off a weaker neighbor with brute force!

It wasn't just Ukraine we were concerned about. The root of problem is NATO expansion, it should roll back, and the question is NATO a "weaker neighbour" is quite discutable. And least numerically NATO countries outnumber Russia as seven to one.

You thought you'd roll over Ukraine's armed forces in a matter of a few weeks!

Wow. Can you read thoughts? Really? Hey, Russia started this whole operation because of NATOs involvement, it would be silly to suppose that NATO won't get involved one way, or another. Right now we playing the realistic scenario, close to optimistic, and it's war of attrition.

Now Ukraine is not only still defending it's territory it's striking back inside Russia in a way that has Putin shitting his tiny little trousers! The world is laughing at the Russian "bear", Zavulon!

May be. But your laughter doesn't sound joyful for some reason. I would even say, that this laugh is kind of sad and perplexed, sometimes even with a hysterical tinge.

And what is more important, this thread about American illegal and unprovoked war on Iran. And the world really laugh at it:

 

[Zavulon]

Yes necessary in both cases. If we get hit with a nuke we launch nukes. All it takes is the president to push a button.

Didn't you watch "Starship Troopers" movie?


Or "First Strike" (1979) for this matter?



I really recommend you to watch it if you don't like reading books.

If 80% 0f the population opposes the current regime most of them will not fight with the IRGC, including the Artesh, the regular army. No one wants to get bombed.

I'd rather said that 80% of the population, including most armed men, support this regime.

We have a few crazies with guns, but the Secret Service does a good job protecting the president.

Who said, that a Secret Service guy can't go postal? Anyway, historically, Americans more often kill their presidents than impeach them.

If the US gets hit with a nuke given to Iran by Russia or China, Russia or China would get nuked in retaliation. A simple fact.

It's not a fact. It's just your imagination. And no, if you cease your illegal and unprovoked attacks against Iran and pay proper reparations - they won't nuke you.

I'm talking since WW1, ~1900, not ancient history.

And I'm talking about history.

Yes, even if Republicans lose in the mid-terms. That would only give democrats congress. Republicans would still control the senate and the presidency. It would be very messy since they would never agree on anything. But, since states are redistricting the Republicans stand a good chance to keep Congress.

But will they keep the streets and, more importantly, offices of the Corporations?

The mid-terms will sort that out. True the war is unpopular, but no one wants Iran to get nukes and ICBMs.

You want. You attacked them while they were devoloping their civilian nuclear industry, so they likely will acquire nukes and ICBMs, if this is the only thing that possibly can detter the USA.

I am not a Bibi fan.

But you want to sacrifice American wealth and safety to his insane ideas.

The US doesn't need "permission" to protect ourselves from terrorists.

It was not about "terrorists" even in your official excuses. It was about Iranian civilian nuclear program.

The JCPOA tried to keep Iran from developing nukes, but the JCPOA failed, the president took action.

It's simply not true. There is no even one single prove that Iranians were trying to make nukes. What is more important, even if you had one - you should have go with those proves to other legal nuclear powers - Russia, China, Britain, France and discuss necessary ways to prevent them from acquisition of nukes.

The US economy is very strong, we have our own energy supplies. The tiny Russian economy is very weak.

We'll see.

The economists are saying that AI is about to revolutionize everything, like discovering fire or electricity. Russia is going to be left in the dust.

Bla-bla-bla... They are just advertising another financial bubble. If you can't use even your natural intellect, and you can't, Artificial Intellect will be also useless for you.
And, anyway, Russia has some nice species of AI itself.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It's minimal if you use them against poorly defender targets, already prepared by previous bomb and cruise missile attacks. And you need much more attacks to actually destroy Iranian civilian infrastructure and cause more or less permanent pressure effect. You need much more forces to do it.

All the data we have, and that's thousands of sorties over hot targets, tells us the F-35's face minimal risk anywhere in Iran and that they can take out Iran's fuel and electricity in a few days.

 

[Zavulon]

All the data we have, and that's thousands of sorties over hot targets, tells us the F-35's face minimal risk anywhere in Iran and that they can take out Iran's fuel and electricity in a few days.

And simple math tells us that they can't do it. Too many taegets, too few planes.

 

[toomuchtime_]

And simple math tells us that they can't do it. Too many taegets, too few planes.

There simply is no data to support your absurd statements.

 

[kyzr]

Didn't you watch "Starship Troopers" movie? Or "First Strike" (1979) for this matter?
I really recommend you to watch it if you don't like reading books.

Trump can push the nuclear button if need be. That 1979 movie is way out of date. We all survived the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s....

I'd rather say that 80% of the population, including most armed men, support this regime.

You can say that, my poll says otherwise.

Who said, that a Secret Service guy can't go postal? Anyway, historically, Americans more often kill their presidents than impeach them.

LOL. True. I still think that the Butler assassination attempt was a Secret Service setup.

It's not a fact. It's just your imagination. And no, if you cease your illegal and unprovoked attacks against Iran and pay proper reparations - they won't nuke you.

It is a fact that if the US gets hit with a nuke from China or Russia, even if given to Iran, they will get nuked.

But will they keep the streets and, more importantly, offices of the Corporations?

yes. Even if the National Guard patrols the streets, Republicans control most but not all corporations.

You attacked them while they were developing their civilian nuclear industry, so they likely will acquire nukes and ICBMs, if this is the only thing that possibly can deter the USA.

Iran was developing nukes and ICBMs.

It was not about "terrorists" even in your official excuses. It was about Iranian civilian nuclear program.

Iran is a "state sponsor of terror". That is in the official list of excuses.

It's simply not true. There is not even one single proof that Iranians were trying to make nukes. What is more important, even if you had one - you should have gone with those proofs to other legal nuclear powers - Russia, China, Britain, France and discuss necessary ways to prevent them from acquisition of nukes.

Iranians admitted to having 460 kg of 60% enriched uranium.
That is proof they wanted nuclear weapons in violation of the intent of the JCPOA.

Bla-bla-bla... They are just advertising another financial bubble. If you can't use even your natural intellect, and you can't, Artificial Intellect will be also useless for you. And, anyway, Russia has some nice species of AI itself.

OK.

 

[Zavulon]

Trump can push the nuclear button if need be. That 1979 movie is way out of date. We all survived the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s....

Russian counter-force strike was possible back in 1979, (and this is one of the reasons why American decision-makers suggested peace deal instead of war) and it's became even more realistic nowadays, with much fewer amounts of US missiles and Russian missiles getting much more accurate.

You can say that, my poll says otherwise.

And whom do you poll? Roaches in your head?

Iran was developing nukes

No even a single prove.

and ICBMs.

It's their right.

Iran is a "state sponsor of terror".

And America, Britain and France are "states sponsor of terror" should Russia bomb them?

Iranians admitted to having 460 kg of 60% enriched uranium.
That is proof they wanted nuclear weapons in violation of the intent of the JCPOA.

It proves nothing. American naval reactors use 93% enriched Uranium.