The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Sixties Fan]

I stumbled across this 1928 publication of a Missionary society that was founded in 1854 as the Turkish Missions Aid Society and later it was named the Bible Lands Missions Aid Society and is now called Embrace the Middle East.

It contains a map of the Middle East.

Here:





No "Palestine". Just Syria.

Yes, it reads "Bible Lands" but countries do have modern names, like Bulgaria.

It is 1928.

Why no "Palestine"?

Palestine or Syria?

I stumbled across this 1928 publication of a Missionary society that was founded in 1854 as the Turkish Missions Aid Society and later it w...

myrightword.blogspot.com

 

[MartyNYC]

I stumbled across this 1928 publication of a Missionary society that was founded in 1854 as the Turkish Missions Aid Society and later it was named the Bible Lands Missions Aid Society and is now called Embrace the Middle East.

It contains a map of the Middle East.

Here:





No "Palestine". Just Syria.

Yes, it reads "Bible Lands" but countries do have modern names, like Bulgaria.

It is 1928.

Why no "Palestine"?

Palestine or Syria?

I stumbled across this 1928 publication of a Missionary society that was founded in 1854 as the Turkish Missions Aid Society and later it w...

myrightword.blogspot.com

Palestine was a European Christian name, like Holy Land.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The "Key" to answering this question is UNDERSTANDING the definitions of the words.
As it applies to the situation in the Arab-Israeli Conflict,

SHORT ANSWER: NO!

Is colonization an aggression?

(DEFINITIONS)

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Article 1​

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Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.​

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Explanatory note: In this Definition the term "State":​

(a) Is used without prejudice to questions of recognition or to whether a State is a member of the United Nations;​

(b) Includes the concept of a "group of States" where appropriate.​

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Article 2​

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The First use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression although the Security Council may, in conformity with the Charter, conclude that a determination that an act of aggression has been committed would not be justified in the light of other relevant circumstances, including the fact that the acts concerned or their consequences are not of sufficient gravity.​

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colony ​

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The term ‘colony’ is one of municipal or constitutional rather than international law. As such, its exact significance may vary from municipal system to municipal system. Thus, the British Interpretation Act 1889 excluded from the expression, not only any part of​

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the British Islands (which include the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man), but also British India. For historical reasons, the term has been eschewed in the United States’ constitutional law and practice. But the word, generally understood as connoting any non-metropolitan territory of a State, is occasionally employed in instruments of international legal import; e.g., the provision of art. 1(2) of the Covenant of the League of Nations for the availability of membership to ‘any fully self-governing State, Dominion or Colony’, General​

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Assembly Res. 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 , styled a Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, and the Friendly Relations Declaration (General Assembly Res. 2625 (XXV) of 24 October 1970 ), ‘The principle of equal rights​

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and self-determination’ of which refers to colonialism. See also independence.​

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(COMMENT)​

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So, understand that during the Mandate Period, the use of force was a function of law and order in accordance with the Hague Regulation of 1907. By understanding that the intervention by the Arab League ignited the 1948 Conflict. The Arab League crossed the threshold into the Trustee Territory and Israel. The action by the Arab League constituted "prima facie evidence of an act of aggression." (NOT Israel). This conflict did not end (relative to the West Bank and Gaza Strip) until 1994 (1979 with Egypt) with the Treaty of Peace with Jordan. This 1948 Conflict included both the 1967 Six-Day War and the 1973 Yom Kipper War.​

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◈ After 1994, the conflict between non-state actors and Israel is, not only acts of aggression.​

◈ It not completely determined yet whether the use by the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps - Quds Force (IRGC-QF) weapons, materials, and funding under Article 8 bis • Para 2g • Crime of aggression (Article 3g A/RES/3314) of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.​

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Most Respectfully,​

R​

Article 1

Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.

Indeed!

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination, the League of Arab States (LAS) made known ther intervention to intervene in Palestine. Ostensibly, the LAS justified the intervention in their need to "restore law and order and to prevent disturbances prevailing in Palestine from spreading into their territories and to check further bloodshed." As a result of that action, for the last 70 years:

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◈ Bloodshed expanded.​

◈ Law and order were never achieved.​

◈ The Arab Palestinians never achieved sovereignty over a territory.​

◈ Jordan annexed the West Bank.​

◈ Egypt established a Military Governorship in the Gaza Strip.​

◈ A major outbreak of hostilities interrupted the Ceasefire of the Armistice twice (1967, 1973).​

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(Ωº) Except for Area "A" (controlled by the Fatah Government) and the Gaza Strip (controlled by the HAMAS Government), the Arab Palestinians have no area can truly be called another Arab State (and even that is under question).​

(Ω') The two International Treaties of Peace [Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty (26 March 1979), The Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994)] are considered unreliable as a means of establishing the permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel (Article II), or the international boundary between Jordan and Israel (Article 3).​

Article 1

Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition.

Indeed! [/quote]

(COMMENT)

Yes, I agree! The use of Arab Aggression against the newly formed state of Israel in 1948, the threat of the use of force by the LAS in 1967, and the attack by the LAS in 1973 are all described adequately in the phrase "use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State." Although the definition of Aggression A/RES/3314(XXIX) of 14 December 1974 did not exist at the juncture in time for these events. (The criteria was either the "use of force" or the "threat to use force" which constituted the implementation of measures under Article 51 (Self Defense) of the UN Charter by the State of Israel.

(CONSEQUENCES)

Although the Arab Palestinians do not like to admit it, the consistent loss of opportunities to establishing their own self-governing territory has drawn a direct line to the outcomes of their actions we see today. And those inappropriate acts of hostilities and violence, the homage paid to cowardly acts of Arab Palestinian criminal activity → continue to plague the Arab Palestinians to this day and for the foreseeable future.

The question that lingers in the background is: How much more injury and destruction can we inflict on Israeli then they can inflict upon the Arab Palestinians either in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank (including Jerusalem)? The answer to this question is not politically calculable. Neither the Fatah Regime nor the HAMAS Regime has any feeling of guilt or moral compulsion that prevents their faulty leadership from expending their citizenry in death in certain death. The Arab Palestinian leadership looks human enough yet neither Fatah nor HAMAS has a conscience. They are political-psychopaths. This unusually hard to predict future moves.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes, I agree! The use of Arab Aggression against the newly formed state of Israel in 1948,

Are you still pebbling that Israeli propaganda Bullshit?

Israel expelled about 300,000 Palestinians before any Arab army entered Palestine. And you call that aggression.

 

[P F Tinmore]

On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination,

The right to self determination is for the people of the place not for people from someplace else.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination,

The right to self determination is for the people of the place not for people from someplace else.

You're right.......when are the Arabs going back to Saudi Arabia?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I acknowledge that the contemporary self-made historians on the matter, who have made their personal fortunes writing books on the topic, have published description of the room on the top floor of the infamous Red House, -- and the accusations of the plan finalized in March 1948, on what Ilan Pappe called in his book (The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine) the "systematic implementation" - and the - "clear-cut case of ethnic cleansing" - even before Israel had been established and well before international laws were put in place.

Yes, I agree! The use of Arab Aggression against the newly formed state of Israel in 1948,

Are you still pebbling that Israeli propaganda Bullshit?

Israel expelled about 300,000 Palestinians before any Arab army entered Palestine. And you call that aggression.

(A QUESTION BEFORE WE START)

How many countries in the world still have the original inhabitants controlling the now contemporary states?

Hell, there are two dozen Native American tribes that did not survive (ie Now Extinct) the Manifest Destiny alone. This does not include the Ancient or classical historical tribes or the Anasazi. And I won't talk about the original Native Hawaiians who's names I cannot pronounce.

Similarly, Russian whose many Ancestral people (some 15 or 20 depending on how you count them) did not make it into modern times.

In the ascension of Qin Shi Huang, First Emperor of China, and later the reign of the Genghis Emperor, it is hard to tell how many tribal types disappeared. And in India, the list of ancient extinct indigenous tribal populations is huge.

Well, what can we say about Africa?

(COMMENT)

With the exception of a very few isolated Pacific Island nations, you cannot name very many where the original indigenous population still maintains sovereign control, if they are not already extinct.

SO, how far back to you want to apply 20th and 21st Century Law to the world.

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Your argument simply is unworkable in the modern-day. It does not matter what you think the Arab Palestinians are entitled to, all that matters is a workable remedy if, they are owed anything at all. I doubt that any court on Earth would roll back the clock to accommodate the claim. You just can't unring the bell. And current law is interpreted to say that "No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country." It does not say anything about dependents or descendants born elsewhere. [Article 12(4) International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCRP)]

(∑) You are off-base on both the matter of the indigenous people and on the matter of Ethnic Cleansing or the Right of Return. And as to the matter of those that are over 70 years old, even if the claim is upheld, they cannot have been involved in any criminal activity. So, for instance, any of the 30 or 40 thousand people protesting against the border barrier, would not be eligible for return. Neither would any collaborator with the Palestinian Governments.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I acknowledge that the contemporary self-made historians on the matter, who have made their personal fortunes writing books on the topic, have published description of the room on the top floor of the infamous Red House, -- and the accusations of the plan finalized in March 1948, on what Ilan Pappe called in his book (The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine) the "systematic implementation" - and the - "clear-cut case of ethnic cleansing" - even before Israel had been established and well before international laws were put in place.

Yes, I agree! The use of Arab Aggression against the newly formed state of Israel in 1948,

Are you still pebbling that Israeli propaganda Bullshit?

Israel expelled about 300,000 Palestinians before any Arab army entered Palestine. And you call that aggression.

(A QUESTION BEFORE WE START)

How many countries in the world still have the original inhabitants controlling the now contemporary states?

Hell, there are two dozen Native American tribes that did not survive (ie Now Extinct) the Manifest Destiny alone. This does not include the Ancient or classical historical tribes or the Anasazi. And I won't talk about the original Native Hawaiians who's names I cannot pronounce.

Similarly, Russian whose many Ancestral people (some 15 or 20 depending on how you count them) did not make it into modern times.

In the ascension of Qin Shi Huang, First Emperor of China, and later the reign of the Genghis Emperor, it is hard to tell how many tribal types disappeared. And in India, the list of ancient extinct indigenous tribal populations is huge.

Well, what can we say about Africa?

(COMMENT)

With the exception of a very few isolated Pacific Island nations, you cannot name very many where the original indigenous population still maintains sovereign control, if they are not already extinct.

SO, how far back to you want to apply 20th and 21st Century Law to the world.

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Your argument simply is unworkable in the modern-day. It does not matter what you think the Arab Palestinians are entitled to, all that matters is a workable remedy if, they are owed anything at all. I doubt that any court on Earth would roll back the clock to accommodate the claim. You just can't unring the bell. And current law is interpreted to say that "No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country." It does not say anything about dependents or descendants born elsewhere. [Article 12(4) International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCRP)]

(∑) You are off-base on both the matter of the indigenous people and on the matter of Ethnic Cleansing or the Right of Return. And as to the matter of those that are over 70 years old, even if the claim is upheld, they cannot have been involved in any criminal activity. So, for instance, any of the 30 or 40 thousand people protesting against the border barrier, would not be eligible for return. Neither would any collaborator with the Palestinian Governments.


Most Respectfully,
R

Holy deflection, Batman!

Still peddling that Israeli bullshit, huh?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ Toddsterpatriot, P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: OK, let's be fair to the Saudis.

On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination,

The right to self determination is for the people of the place not for people from someplace else.

You're right.......when are the Arabs going back to Saudi Arabia?

(COMMENT)

No League of Arab States (LAS) want trouble makers. (I mean really?)

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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ Toddsterpatriot, P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: OK, let's be fair to the Saudis.

On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination,

The right to self determination is for the people of the place not for people from someplace else.

You're right.......when are the Arabs going back to Saudi Arabia?

(COMMENT)

No League of Arab States (LAS) want trouble makers. (I mean really?)

Dated Material:

• Saudi Arabia unleashes new wave of arrests against ...
  
  https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/2/19/
  saudi-launches-arrest-campaign...
  A dozen Palestinians were arrested in February last year, followed by an even harsher campaign in April, which saw the arrests of dozens of businessmen, academics and students. An unnamed Hamas official cited in the report said those arrested were overwhelmingly Hamas members, and had resided in Saudi Arabia for decades.
• Saudi Arabia tries Palestinians accused of Hamas ties
  
  https://www.al-monitor.com/.../2020/03/
  saudi-arabia-hamas-trials-palestinians.html
  Mar 12, 2020 · Dozens of Palestinians in Saudi Arabia are being tried before Riyadh’s special terrorism court for their perceived links to the Hamas movement in Gaza, according to press reports. Of the 68 defendants whose trials began Sunday, most were Palestinians arrested in April 2019, along with some Jordanians, according to the reports.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

Yes, I agree! The use of Arab Aggression against the newly formed state of Israel in 1948,

Are you still pebbling that Israeli propaganda Bullshit?

Israel expelled about 300,000 Palestinians before any Arab army entered Palestine. And you call that aggression.

By that time the Arab 'Holy War Army' has already put Jerusalem under siege
and was attacking the Jewish villages from within Arab villages.

How many fled or expelled is unknown,
and Arabs had no one to blame but themselves.

 

[rylah]

On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination,

The right to self determination is for the people of the place not for people from someplace else.

Exactly why the right to re-constitute sovereignty in Judea is vested with the Jewish nation,
and not the migrating Arab tribes who can't even pronounce the name of the place.

 

[MartyNYC]

Yes, I agree! The use of Arab Aggression against the newly formed state of Israel in 1948,

Are you still pebbling that Israeli propaganda Bullshit?

Israel expelled about 300,000 Palestinians before any Arab army entered Palestine. And you call that aggression.

As renowned Arab historian Fouad Ajami notes, Arabs attacked Israel and fled
The U.N. Can't Deliver a Palestinian State

 

[MartyNYC]

On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination,

The right to self determination is for the people of the place not for people from someplace else.

Exactly why the right to re-constitute sovereignty in Judea is vested with the Jewish nation,
and not the migrating Arab tribes who can't even pronounce the name of the place.

As eminent Middle East historian Franck Salameh notes, palestine was a European Christian name adopted as the name for the British Mandate that became Israel. And, Jews were called palestinians. These are made-up Western words...

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ rylah, P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Sometimes, in these discussions, we over complicate concepts. The Right to Self-Determination is one of those concepts.

On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination,

The right to self determination is for the people of the place not for people from someplace else.

Exactly why the right to re-constitute sovereignty in Judea is vested with the Jewish nation,
and not the migrating Arab tribes who can't even pronounce the name of the place.

(CONTEMPORARY LAW)

For over half a century confuse the concept of "Self-Determination" as it applies to most of our discussions. Let's make sure we are all on the same page...

Article 1 • International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)​

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1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​

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2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.​

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3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.​

(COMMENT)

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◈ It allows the choice in pursuit of the people's "destiny."​

◈ It binds all states and does not allow for any exceptions.​

◈ It allows the choice in terms of sovereignty.​

◈ It allows the choice in terms of international political status.​

This is of particular importance on the issue of the Annexation of Judea and Samaria. Unilateral annexation by the Israeli's takes the choice of sovereignty and the choice of political status away from the Judeans and the Samarians. Both the Judeans and the Samarians have the Right to pursue their destiny. That is why it is so important to understand these simple concepts and not get entangled in the criteria of • people of the place - versus • people of someplace else. In the meaning of Self-Determination, as outlined in Article 1, it only mentions territory ('"place") in the context that the Right of Self-Determination applies equally to the people of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ rylah, P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Sometimes, in these discussions, we over complicate concepts. The Right to Self-Determination is one of those concepts.

On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination,

The right to self determination is for the people of the place not for people from someplace else.

Exactly why the right to re-constitute sovereignty in Judea is vested with the Jewish nation,
and not the migrating Arab tribes who can't even pronounce the name of the place.

(CONTEMPORARY LAW)

For over half a century confuse the concept of "Self-Determination" as it applies to most of our discussions. Let's make sure we are all on the same page...

Article 1 • International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)​

​

1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​

​

2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.​

​

3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.​

(COMMENT)

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◈ It allows the choice in pursuit of the people's "destiny."​

◈ It binds all states and does not allow for any exceptions.​

◈ It allows the choice in terms of sovereignty.​

◈ It allows the choice in terms of international political status.​

This is of particular importance on the issue of the Annexation of Judea and Samaria. Unilateral annexation by the Israeli's takes the choice of sovereignty and the choice of political status away from the Judeans and the Samarians. Both the Judeans and the Samarians have the Right to pursue their destiny. That is why it is so important to understand these simple concepts and not get entangled in the criteria of • people of the place - versus • people of someplace else. In the meaning of Self-Determination, as outlined in Article 1, it only mentions territory ('"place") in the context that the Right of Self-Determination applies equally to the people of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why do they always use the term peoples?

 

[MartyNYC]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ rylah, P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Sometimes, in these discussions, we over complicate concepts. The Right to Self-Determination is one of those concepts.

On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination,

The right to self determination is for the people of the place not for people from someplace else.

Exactly why the right to re-constitute sovereignty in Judea is vested with the Jewish nation,
and not the migrating Arab tribes who can't even pronounce the name of the place.

(CONTEMPORARY LAW)

For over half a century confuse the concept of "Self-Determination" as it applies to most of our discussions. Let's make sure we are all on the same page...

Article 1 • International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)​

​

1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​

​

2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.​

​

3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.​

(COMMENT)

​

◈ It allows the choice in pursuit of the people's "destiny."​

◈ It binds all states and does not allow for any exceptions.​

◈ It allows the choice in terms of sovereignty.​

◈ It allows the choice in terms of international political status.​

This is of particular importance on the issue of the Annexation of Judea and Samaria. Unilateral annexation by the Israeli's takes the choice of sovereignty and the choice of political status away from the Judeans and the Samarians. Both the Judeans and the Samarians have the Right to pursue their destiny. That is why it is so important to understand these simple concepts and not get entangled in the criteria of • people of the place - versus • people of someplace else. In the meaning of Self-Determination, as outlined in Article 1, it only mentions territory ('"place") in the context that the Right of Self-Determination applies equally to the people of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories.

Most Respectfully,
R

Why do they always use the term peoples?

Given that the name Palestine has for centuries been a European Christian name, are Palestinians European Christians?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: See: Pages 813 and 814 • The Farlex Grammar Book: Complete English Grammar Rules • Copyright © 2016 Farlex International

(*Persons is also a plural form of person, but in modern English it is usually reserved for more formal, bureaucratic, or legal language, as in, “Any such persons found to guilty of shoplifting will be prosecuted.”)
Be aware that irregular plural nouns cannot be made plural again; that is, you cannot have childrens, or feets. However, people is an exception—it can be pluralized as peoples in some cases.

Why do they always use the term peoples?

(COMMENT)

“People” vs. “Peoples” for Ethnic Groups and Nationalities

When you refer to the people of a single ethnic group or nationality, always use the word people.​

The people of Chinano longer need to abide by the one-child policy.

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Emmanuel Macron was elected by the people of France on May 7, 2017.​

“We here highly resolve that government of the people, for the people, and by the people will not perish from the earth.” (Abraham Lincoln)​

Peoples is only used in cases when it is necessary to distinguish between ethnic groups within the same geographical or cultural context.

The Israeli and Palestinian long been at war.

The peoples of the world practice a wide variety of religions.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Shusha]

On the occasion of the independence of Israel under their Right of Determination,

The right to self determination is for the people of the place not for people from someplace else.

"People of the place" and "people from someplace else" are nonsense words with no objective or legal meaning, used by you only to obfuscate.