The need to make churches pay tax

[martybegan]

How does it violate the 1st if it applies to all religions?

How does it violate the 1st if the same things are granted to non-religious non-profits?

You have an axe to grind, stop trying to hide it. Again, very progressive of you.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

See that bold part?

The special tax treatment for religion is a law that respects establishments of religion by giving them special treatment

and taxing them could prevent free exercise by making it impossible for them to perform their tasks.

I noticed you didn't bold that part.

No it wouldn't.

As I said all any business has to do is show no profit at the end of the year and they will pay no taxes.

They have to do it as part of their exemption. They are not exempt from the paperwork.

NO business should have any special exemption. A nonprofit can carry its revenue from one year to another therefore they make a profit.

SO get rid of the nonprofit exemption completely and businesses that want to be non profit can show ZERO profit every year on their tax returns and not carry large sums of money from year to year tax free.

All of this just to justify your butturt over religion...

What a wanker you are.

 

[dblack]

Of course they are.

They all take in revenue and claim expenses. They just get a pass on taxes

As do other non-profits.

They are not a for profit organization, i.e. what most people consider "business"

As I said there should be no special status given to any business.
If you want to run a non profit business then all you have to do is show zero profit on your returns every year.

Not a business.

The business of religion is bigger than Apple and Google combined.

Denying that is almost as dumb as believing in the magic man in the sky

And here is the crux of your position. You are just an anti-religious bigot.

How progressive of you.

Is Mike Huckabee an anti-religious bigot? Because he's promoted the same idea, in the name of religious freedom. He's seen firsthand how government is using tax-exempt status to pressure religious groups.

Is It Time for Churches to Abandon Tax-Exempt Status to Protect Religious Freedom?

 

[martybegan]

As do other non-profits.

They are not a for profit organization, i.e. what most people consider "business"

As I said there should be no special status given to any business.
If you want to run a non profit business then all you have to do is show zero profit on your returns every year.

Not a business.

The business of religion is bigger than Apple and Google combined.

Denying that is almost as dumb as believing in the magic man in the sky

And here is the crux of your position. You are just an anti-religious bigot.

How progressive of you.

Is Mike Huckabee an anti-religious bigot? Because he's promoted the same idea, in the name of religious freedom. He's seen firsthand how government is using tax-exempt status to pressure religious groups.

Is It Time for Churches to Abandon Tax-Exempt Status to Protect Religious Freedom?

or we can just stop preventing them from having political positions.

Since when is paying taxes required to have a political view or voice a political view?

 

[Wyatt earp]

And those televangelists do pay taxes on their own incomes, it's the Church itself that's treated as non-profit.

Why should it be?

Non-profit battered women's shelters pay property taxes. Churches don't. Why shouldn't they?

Then no separation of church and state

The Constitution does not say anything about the separation of church and state it says

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Yea it was in Jefferson letters and latter ruled constitutional ..

The Jefferson letters are NOT the Constitution

Making laws that give religion special treatment violates the first amendment

Once again the courts said otherwise..

 

[dblack]

Why should it be?

Non-profit battered women's shelters pay property taxes. Churches don't. Why shouldn't they?

Then no separation of church and state

The Constitution does not say anything about the separation of church and state it says

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Yea it was in Jefferson letters and latter ruled constitutional ..

The Jefferson letters are NOT the Constitution

Making laws that give religion special treatment violates the first amendment

Once again the courts said otherwise..

They were wrong.

 

[dblack]

As I said there should be no special status given to any business.
If you want to run a non profit business then all you have to do is show zero profit on your returns every year.

Not a business.

The business of religion is bigger than Apple and Google combined.

Denying that is almost as dumb as believing in the magic man in the sky

And here is the crux of your position. You are just an anti-religious bigot.

How progressive of you.

Is Mike Huckabee an anti-religious bigot? Because he's promoted the same idea, in the name of religious freedom. He's seen firsthand how government is using tax-exempt status to pressure religious groups.

Is It Time for Churches to Abandon Tax-Exempt Status to Protect Religious Freedom?

or we can just stop preventing them from having political positions.

Since when is paying taxes required to have a political view or voice a political view?

Since the tax exempt perk was introduced. "That's how they get you".

 

[Wyatt earp]

Then no separation of church and state

The Constitution does not say anything about the separation of church and state it says

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Yea it was in Jefferson letters and latter ruled constitutional ..

The Jefferson letters are NOT the Constitution

Making laws that give religion special treatment violates the first amendment

Once again the courts said otherwise..

They were wrong.

I read your post wrong also


The only way to keep church and state separate is no taxes..



Then give us back our 10 commandments in court houses fool


And that's the way the supreme Court rolls tough shit

 

[dblack]

The tax exemption status awarded to government-approved religions actually thwarts freedom of religion.

 

[dblack]

The Constitution does not say anything about the separation of church and state it says

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Yea it was in Jefferson letters and latter ruled constitutional ..

The Jefferson letters are NOT the Constitution

Making laws that give religion special treatment violates the first amendment

Once again the courts said otherwise..

They were wrong.

I read your post wrong also


The only way to keep church and state separate is no taxes..



Then give us back our 10 commandments in court houses fool


And that's the way the supreme Court rolls tough shit

Listen, the Supreme Court is staffed by humans, as fallible as you and me. They make mistakes, and when they do, those mistakes need to be corrected.

 

[Wyatt earp]

And what's with these people that wants the churches money they think the US government can spend it in a better way towards Charity's ?


You think it's morally right for Christian churches tax dollars go for baby killing clinics your fucking nuts


.

 

[martybegan]

Not a business.

The business of religion is bigger than Apple and Google combined.

Denying that is almost as dumb as believing in the magic man in the sky

And here is the crux of your position. You are just an anti-religious bigot.

How progressive of you.

Is Mike Huckabee an anti-religious bigot? Because he's promoted the same idea, in the name of religious freedom. He's seen firsthand how government is using tax-exempt status to pressure religious groups.

Is It Time for Churches to Abandon Tax-Exempt Status to Protect Religious Freedom?

or we can just stop preventing them from having political positions.

Since when is paying taxes required to have a political view or voice a political view?

Since the tax exempt perk was introduced. "That's how they get you".

"How they get them" is the Johnson Amendment, which was created in 1954, and more than likely was an attempt to stifle black churches from supporting civil rights actions.

 

[dblack]

And what's with these people that wants the churches money they think the US government can spend it in a better way towards Charity's ?

You think it's morally right for Christian churches tax dollars go for baby killing clinics your fucking nuts.

No, but I'm starting to worry that attempting rational discussion with you on this matter will go nowhere.

 

[dblack]

The business of religion is bigger than Apple and Google combined.

Denying that is almost as dumb as believing in the magic man in the sky

And here is the crux of your position. You are just an anti-religious bigot.

How progressive of you.

Is Mike Huckabee an anti-religious bigot? Because he's promoted the same idea, in the name of religious freedom. He's seen firsthand how government is using tax-exempt status to pressure religious groups.

Is It Time for Churches to Abandon Tax-Exempt Status to Protect Religious Freedom?

or we can just stop preventing them from having political positions.

Since when is paying taxes required to have a political view or voice a political view?

Since the tax exempt perk was introduced. "That's how they get you".

"How they get them" is the Johnson Amendment, which was created in 1954, and more than likely was an attempt to stifle black churches from supporting civil rights actions.

Yep. The Johnson Amendment was always baked into the tax-exemption. Any time the government offers a special interest group a perk, they can easily take it away.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The tax exemption status awarded to government-approved religions actually thwarts freedom of religion.

No the Johnson amendment
does




IRS: Pastors Must Censor Their Sermons?
09-29-2016
CBN News




Pastors may soon have more freedom in the pulpit when it comes to preaching on politics and social issues without risking their churches' tax exempt status.

A coalition of Republican leaders and attorneys are pushing a measure that would restrict the enforcement of the Johnson Amendment, a law from the 1950s they believe was manipulated to violate pastors' free speech and freedom of religion.

"Today, the IRS can use the Johnson Amendment to tell pastors what they can and cannot preach. This law aims to censor your sermon if the IRS labels it political," Alliance Defending Freedom said in a statement.

 

[Wyatt earp]

And what's with these people that wants the churches money they think the US government can spend it in a better way towards Charity's ?

You think it's morally right for Christian churches tax dollars go for baby killing clinics your fucking nuts.

No, but I'm starting to worry that attempting rational discussion with you on this matter will go nowhere.

So you evaded my question why .

 

[dblack]

The tax exemption status awarded to government-approved religions actually thwarts freedom of religion.

No the Johnson amendment
does




IRS: Pastors Must Censor Their Sermons?
09-29-2016
CBN News




Pastors may soon have more freedom in the pulpit when it comes to preaching on politics and social issues without risking their churches' tax exempt status.

A coalition of Republican leaders and attorneys are pushing a measure that would restrict the enforcement of the Johnson Amendment, a law from the 1950s they believe was manipulated to violate pastors' free speech and freedom of religion.

"Today, the IRS can use the Johnson Amendment to tell pastors what they can and cannot preach. This law aims to censor your sermon if the IRS labels it political," Alliance Defending Freedom said in a statement.

The Johnson Amendment is just one example of how government will use tax-exemption to twist arms. But even without it, who decides whether a religion is legitimate or not? All government has to do to bully a given religion is threaten to take them off the list of government-approved religions.

 

[martybegan]

And here is the crux of your position. You are just an anti-religious bigot.

How progressive of you.

Is Mike Huckabee an anti-religious bigot? Because he's promoted the same idea, in the name of religious freedom. He's seen firsthand how government is using tax-exempt status to pressure religious groups.

Is It Time for Churches to Abandon Tax-Exempt Status to Protect Religious Freedom?

or we can just stop preventing them from having political positions.

Since when is paying taxes required to have a political view or voice a political view?

Since the tax exempt perk was introduced. "That's how they get you".

"How they get them" is the Johnson Amendment, which was created in 1954, and more than likely was an attempt to stifle black churches from supporting civil rights actions.

Yep. The Johnson Amendment was always baked into the tax-exemption. Any time the government offers a special interest group a perk, they can easily take it away.

Then get rid of the Johnson Amendment. Problem solved.

 

[dblack]

You think it's morally right for Christian churches tax dollars go for baby killing clinics your fucking nuts.

No, but I'm starting to worry that attempting rational discussion with you on this matter will go nowhere.

So you evaded my question why .

No, I answered you question "No". Can you not read?

 

[dblack]

Is Mike Huckabee an anti-religious bigot? Because he's promoted the same idea, in the name of religious freedom. He's seen firsthand how government is using tax-exempt status to pressure religious groups.

Is It Time for Churches to Abandon Tax-Exempt Status to Protect Religious Freedom?

or we can just stop preventing them from having political positions.

Since when is paying taxes required to have a political view or voice a political view?

Since the tax exempt perk was introduced. "That's how they get you".

"How they get them" is the Johnson Amendment, which was created in 1954, and more than likely was an attempt to stifle black churches from supporting civil rights actions.

Yep. The Johnson Amendment was always baked into the tax-exemption. Any time the government offers a special interest group a perk, they can easily take it away.

Then get rid of the Johnson Amendment. Problem solved.

They can still threaten to declare that a given religion isn't "really" a religion. That it's a business or somesuch.

Equal rights are the only way to avoid this kind of state manipulation.

 

[martybegan]

or we can just stop preventing them from having political positions.

Since when is paying taxes required to have a political view or voice a political view?

Since the tax exempt perk was introduced. "That's how they get you".

"How they get them" is the Johnson Amendment, which was created in 1954, and more than likely was an attempt to stifle black churches from supporting civil rights actions.

Yep. The Johnson Amendment was always baked into the tax-exemption. Any time the government offers a special interest group a perk, they can easily take it away.

Then get rid of the Johnson Amendment. Problem solved.

They can still threaten to declare that a given religion isn't "really" a religion. That it's a business or somesuch.

Equal rights are the only way to avoid this kind of state manipulation.

That's what we have courts for.