The National Debt hits $37 trillion

[Fang]

Clearly a bi-partisan issue but both sides blame the other. It will never get fixed because neither side wants to lose votes.

 

[Papageorgio]

It's officially over $37 trillion. And at this rate, by the time the next potus takes the helm, Trump will have driven up over $45 trillion. That's if it stays at this rate. But since Trump isn't a fiscal conservative, and neither are his congressmen, I suspect it'll be close to $50 trillion.

BTW, I was just skimming through the RNC platform, and there's almost nothing about fiscal conservatism or responsibility in it now. So that ends the whole "lesser of two evils" argument. They're both equally evil.

Neither side is fiscally responsible, we have two sides that look out for the rich, not the average American and we have decades of proof showing us that but most people would rather listen to only one side and the other side is bad, the truth is both sides are bad, it just partisan propaganda that keeps us trapped.

 

[Winco]

Neither side is fiscally responsible, we have two sides that look out for the rich, not the average American and we have decades of proof showing us that but most people would rather listen to only one side and the other side is bad, the truth is both sides are bad, it just partisan propaganda that keeps us trapped.

But we have posters like this, who praise trump for everything, even when the numbers are terrible.

But the great man is slowing down growth of the debt.

The leftwing CBO predicts only a $2T rise in the debt over the next 10 years. That's a huge slowdown.

It's going to INCREASE 1.5 TRILLION in just his 1st year.
It's been 7 months, and the National Debt has increased
37,230,697,997,932
-36,368,665,337,114
______________________
862,032,661,818 in 7 months

See post #57 for the Debt Clocks.

Trump is the ONLY guy who has even tried to address this spending. You should be grateful for him and thanking him, rather than complaining.

 

[Papageorgio]

But we have posters like this, who praise trump for everything, even when the numbers are terrible.




It's going to INCREASE 1.5 TRILLION in just his 1st year.
It's been 7 months, and the National Debt has increased
37,230,697,997,932
-36,368,665,337,114
______________________
862,032,661,818 in 7 months

See post #57 for the Debt Clocks.

We had people praising Biden when his numbers were worse. Also most of the spending as shown in the articles quote were due to budget spending that was approved last year and by payouts in Social Security payouts due to inflation, which is calculated from the previous year. Tell me how Trump has directly affected this rise? Like the article pointed out all the spending this year is due to last years budget. So if you want to be pissed be pissed at Biden he signed the spending bill that is hurting us this year, but it isn’t entirely his fault.

 

[JWBooth]

The National Debt hits $37 trillion​

It's officially over $37 trillion. And at this rate, by the time the next potus takes the helm, Trump will have driven up over $45 trillion. That's if it stays at this rate. But since Trump isn't a fiscal conservative, and neither are his congressmen, I suspect it'll be close to $50 trillion.

BTW, I was just skimming through the RNC platform, and there's almost nothing about fiscal conservatism or responsibility in it now. So that ends the whole "lesser of two evils" argument. They're both equally evil.

Cut interest rates, print money, spend like a dimocrap, ridicule and primary any responsible legislator that stands in the way, that is the answer to all this.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

14.8% UE? Biden never had that, and he conquered Trump's inflation causes.

Now inflation is going up again.

 

[JWBooth]

The last three Dem Presidents reduced the GDP v deficit.

Maybe so, still it does not excuse what happens now.

 

[CowboyTed]

Do your own research on BPA, it's the only acronym I remember. Made in China impacted our citizens in plastics AND also impacted their own citizens immensely if they worked at a manufacturing plant.

You make the accusation. Not up to me to back it up with evidence...

How about Chinese excutives poisoning and killing many babies in China in their baby food?

We have litany of US companies past issues too...

Two Executives got the death penalty and the general manager got life in prison...

How many head bank officials went to jail for the financial crisis?

Actually look at this: Bhopal disaster - Wikipedia

US didn't extradite the executives involved....

All you pointed out is that in China they deal with screw ups and punish, in US you get away it...

We should NOT be reliant on Made in China.

Well look up how isolationism does as an economic model....
I will give you a tip, it goes badly, US would slowly but surely go into decline...
MAGA seems to want it to go faster...

Where are ye getting the raw materials for all those microchips and other tech? MAGA has withdrawn from all these places where they had influence through the State Dept., USAID,...

Again MAGA, Brain Dead stuff....
When Trump tells you he has a good idea, it isn't, we have had very smart people this for decades and Trump is not a Stable Genius...

 

[YoursTruly]

The National Debt hits $37 trillion​

Cut interest rates, print money, spend like a dimocrap, ridicule and primary any responsible legislator that stands in the way, that is the answer to all this.

^^^^ dblack Dutch's Plan. Have a little faith, Arthur.

 

[YoursTruly]

Neither side is fiscally responsible, we have two sides that look out for the rich, not the average American and we have decades of proof showing us that but most people would rather listen to only one side and the other side is bad, the truth is both sides are bad, it just partisan propaganda that keeps us trapped.

Nailed it. It really isn't a matter of "lesser of two evils" any more.

 

[YoursTruly]

Lets's face facts... People don't care, it is not a issue to voters... If it was We would have this chart..

View attachment 1149271

The issue is Deficit (are we borrowing more, less) and how does it compare to GDP...

The last three Dem President reduced the deficit v GDP... Let 5 GOP President increased it...

Trump is on a path to explode it...

But not enough care, generally US public don't understand borrowing and credit rating. They don't understand the cost of borrowing and how import US Credit rating is.
How many have heard that US 10+ yr bonds yields are increasing, that is how much US has to pay for money...

US 10 Year Treasury Note Yield - Quote - Chart - Historical Data - News

The yield on US 10 Year Note Bond Yield eased to 4.15% on March 11, 2026, marking a 0.02 percentage points decrease from the previous session. Over the past month, the yield has edged up by 0.04 points, though it remains 0.17 points lower than a year ago, according to over-the-counter interbank...

tradingeconomics.com

In Europe they seem to be far more aware of Deficit and cost of borrowing... They understand why we reduce and increase debt. Debt isn't all bad, is it wrong to get a mortgage to buy a house?
Debt has to be balanced against what the Government owns and the yield from those assets...

It's not an issue to most because they simply don't understand it. Since they can't force the politicians to stop spending so much, they have no need in learning why & how spending beyond their means effects them. Psychologically, it's like an argument you can't win to someone who refuses to argue.

 

[Papageorgio]

Nailed it. It really isn't a matter of "lesser of two evils" any more.

Two evils and I am not voting for Democrats or Republicans for any federal and many state offices. I can’t endorse such out right fraud.

 

[YoursTruly]

Two evils and I am not voting for Democrats or Republicans for any federal and many state offices. I can’t endorse such out right fraud.

I live in a red blue state. GOP majority with democrat like voting records. Even the last libertarian candidate was spouting off democrat talking points......

I'm a fiscal conservative without a party to support.

And watching the GOP attack people like Massie and Paul for doing what Trump promised to do, turns my stomach.
Seriously, on another forum, there are "end the fed" people who are bashing Massie and Paul, in their defense of Trump.

 

[Papageorgio]

I live in a red blue state. GOP majority with democrat like voting records. Even the last libertarian candidate was spouting off democrat talking points......

I'm a fiscal conservative without a party to support.

And watching the GOP attack people like Massie and Paul for doing what Trump promised to do, turns my stomach.
Seriously, on another forum, there are "end the fed" people who are bashing Massie and Paul, in their defense of Trump.

I am also a fiscal conservative and am so disappointed that Republicans and would rather have a party of Massie, Paul, Manchin and Sinema who put Americans over their party. All four took a beating from their own party for standing up for responsible spending.

 

[Mashmont]

Let's look at the Actual Debt Clock, and use some Factual Numbers.
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Today, Aug 14, 2025
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37,230,697,997,932
-36,368,665,337,114
______________________
862,032,661,818 in 7 months, not 8

That's an average increase of 123,147,523, 000 per MONTH.
Multiple that by 12, and the debt will increase 1.478 TRILLION in trumps 1st year.

At this pace of INCREASE, the National Debt will be over 38.7 TRILLION by next summer.


Currently, the rate of increase in the National Debt is 1.478 TRILLION per year.
Keep an eye on the FACTS, not your feelings.

Does the debt clock take into account this great man’s tariffs and the vast income that will result?

 

[leftwinger]

I hope Trump can stop the increases. But so far, he's not even trying to curb spending. A CR and an massive reconciliation bill already? And another CR coming up next month?

You answered your own questions you suffer from. Congress. On CR. Deep State Congress killing the Country since 08'. Trump trying to make a difference but you ignore or blame. We see your game.

 

[leftwinger]

It's not about money. It's about a political/electoral "system" that incentivizes and rewards the very worst impulses of its participants.

This has been a true team effort. The Titanic is sinking and the deck hands are pointing the finger at each other.

The tribes protect themselves at all costs. The Big, Beautiful, Bloated Bill is just the latest example. We earned this mess.

How to fix it Notradomous?

 

[Mac1958]

Does the debt clock take into account this great man’s tariffs and the vast income that will result?

Who pays the tariffs on products imported into America?

Who writes the check at the Port of Entry?

There is only one answer to that question. What is that answer?

 

[leftwinger]

Who pays the tariffs on products imported into America?

Who writes the check at the Port of Entry?

There is only one answer to that question. What is that answer?

The vendor can reduce prices or stop importing it also. Nothing is slam dunk but you with TDS.

 

[Papageorgio]

Does the debt clock take into account this great man’s tariffs and the vast income that will result?

Yes, it does, it doesn’t account for future debt or income, just as it stands today.