The Most Ignorant Line in the History of Man

[The Rabbi]

"If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Spoken by someone who clearly never built anything.

Does this mean I didn't build my deck in the backyard?

You didnt build that! Someone else built the roads you used to get the wood there. Someone else harvested the wood and cut it. Someone else made those screws you used.
You were just in the right place at the right time. You were lucky is all. Plenty of folks work hard but they never build a deck. So it wasnt your hard work.
Now fork over money so your welfare class fat slob fellow citizen can also have a nice deck, you plutocrat.

 

[SAYIT]

"If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Spoken by someone who clearly never built anything.

Does this mean I didn't build my deck in the backyard?

Evidently, just as I have spent my life not building 4 businesses, one of which didn't build housing for senior citizens (who also, apparently, spent their lives building nothing).

 

[SAYIT]

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Only someone who (a) has never experienced what a business owner has and (b) is doing nothing more than playing to a throng that has also never experienced what a business owner has would say such a thing.

Pretty easy to say those words. Pretty easy to scream in agreement. Start a business. Grow it. Live through the sacrifice and the stress and the risk and the daily shitstorm of creating a successful ongoing enterprise, and then get back to me.

Otherwise you're speaking out of pure, abject -- yes, "ignorance" is the proper word.

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I've owned my own business for decades, started from scratch and know damn well all the sacrifices and travails of what it's like being a business owner and growing it. I'll also "get back to you" and say I don't have a damn problem with these words and are in complete agreement with them:

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OBAMA: “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill.

That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet.

That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

I've mortgaged property, cashed in ira's to start businesses and buy units, sometimes working two jobs, renting out rooms, or whatever it took. Still, we all have help and/or good fortune along the way and I agree with the "you didn't build it by yourself" sentiment. And many others like me say the same. I also did military time back in the day when people were actually drafted. I helped keep the shipping lanes safe, and foreign countries safe for our large corporations to do business in. Then to add insult to injury, some of these bastards offshore american jobs to communist countries and they claim residence in foreign countries to beat paying their fair share of taxes. I like to tell especially the romneys, bush brothers, and walmart heirs: you didn't build it without daddie's start up inheritance bucks and you certainly were mia in doing your military time to help keep your money and your way of life safe like some of us did for you.

Woo. Lotsa bitterness there. You aren't the only one to have served this country, Princess, and you didn't do so to protect our way of life for the Romneys or the Bush Bros.
That some American businesses find it far more profitable to offshore some of their operations is a direct and unfortunate result of the less-than-hospitable tax environment in which they find themselves here. It is the job of management to maximize profits and asset values, thus providing millions of Americans with a just reward for investing in their companies. It is the same reason so many peeps buy so much (foreign) product from Walmart. Better bang for their buck.

 

[SAYIT]

I guess we are bored and needed to rehash this?

Watsamatta, PB? Don't like Americans having a bit of fun at your master's expense? The monumentally ignorant statement in play here is indicative of the "thinking" employed by many who believe the private property of others - that which others built - must be confiscated by the gov't and given to those who can't, don't and increasingly won't build anything.
Ineptocracy - a system of government where the least capable of leading are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

 

[Mac1958]

That some American businesses find it far more profitable to offshore some of their operations is a direct and unfortunate result of the less-than-hospitable tax environment in which they find themselves here. It is the job of management to maximize profits and asset values, thus providing millions of Americans with a just reward for investing in their companies. It is the same reason so many peeps buy so much (foreign) product from Walmart. Better bang for their buck.

Very well put.

What these people choose not to understand is that a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder value, which is the very reason for the existence of a corporation anywhere on the planet. If the corporation breaches that fiduciary responsibility, shareholders can and will sue and will probably win.

This doesn't fit with their simplistic and naive view of the reason a business exists in the first place -- evidently they are convinced that a business exists to put food on its employees tables and pay taxes -- and trying to explain this to them will almost certainly be met with some kind of ignorant and/or emotional response.

But, well put, nonetheless.

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[Jarhead]

"If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Spoken by someone who clearly never built anything.

Does this mean I didn't build my deck in the backyard?

It also means that I did not bring up my children by myself.....the guy that goes to work everyday did not earn his paycheck by himself, the guy that wins the Tour de France did not win it by himself....etc etc etc.

We ALL have access to infrastructure and we all pay for infrastructure. What each of us do with it, is our personal responsibility and whatever success we achieve with it, we achieved on our own.

Apparently one that never did anything on his own, but, instead, worked for a non profit community organization can not grasp the concept.

 

[Jarhead]

That some American businesses find it far more profitable to offshore some of their operations is a direct and unfortunate result of the less-than-hospitable tax environment in which they find themselves here. It is the job of management to maximize profits and asset values, thus providing millions of Americans with a just reward for investing in their companies. It is the same reason so many peeps buy so much (foreign) product from Walmart. Better bang for their buck.

Very well put.

What these people choose not to understand is that a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder value, which is the very reason for the existence of a corporation anywhere on the planet. If the corporation breaches that fiduciary responsibility, shareholders can and will sue and will probably win.

This doesn't fit with their simplistic and naive view of the reason a business exists in the first place -- evidently they are convinced that a business exists to put food on its employees tables and pay taxes -- and trying to explain this to them will almost certainly be met with some kind of ignorant and/or emotional response.

But, well put, nonetheless.

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If there were ever an ideal definition of "Bingo!"....the quote in bold would be it.

 

[The Rabbi]

"If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Spoken by someone who clearly never built anything.

Does this mean I didn't build my deck in the backyard?

It also means that I did not bring up my children by myself.....the guy that goes to work everyday did not earn his paycheck by himself, the guy that wins the Tour de France did not win it by himself....etc etc etc.

We ALL have access to infrastructure and we all pay for infrastructure. What each of us do with it, is our personal responsibility and whatever success we achieve with it, we achieved on our own.

Apparently one that never did anything on his own, but, instead, worked for a non profit community organization can not grasp the concept.

I was listening to NPR yesterday briefly and some guy was yammering about how we think of people like Gates, Mozart, Einstein etc as being lone innovaters and inventors but it isnt true because they all had contact with others and fruitful partnerships. I turned it off in disgust. It is so patently an attempt at basically fascism: since no one can do everything on his own then no one gets credit and you need government.
**** that.

 

[Jarhead]

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Only someone who (a) has never experienced what a business owner has and (b) is doing nothing more than playing to a throng that has also never experienced what a business owner has would say such a thing.

Pretty easy to say those words. Pretty easy to scream in agreement. Start a business. Grow it. Live through the sacrifice and the stress and the risk and the daily shitstorm of creating a successful ongoing enterprise, and then get back to me.

Otherwise you're speaking out of pure, abject -- yes, "ignorance" is the proper word.

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I've owned my own business for decades, started from scratch and know damn well all the sacrifices and travails of what it's like being a business owner and growing it. I'll also "get back to you" and say I don't have a damn problem with these words and are in complete agreement with them:

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OBAMA: “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill.

That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet.

That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

I've mortgaged property, cashed in ira's to start businesses and buy units, sometimes working two jobs, renting out rooms, or whatever it took. Still, we all have help and/or good fortune along the way and I agree with the "you didn't build it by yourself" sentiment. And many others like me say the same. I also did military time back in the day when people were actually drafted. I helped keep the shipping lanes safe, and foreign countries safe for our large corporations to do business in. Then to add insult to injury, some of these bastards offshore american jobs to communist countries and they claim residence in foreign countries to beat paying their fair share of taxes. I like to tell especially the romneys, bush brothers, and walmart heirs: you didn't build it without daddie's start up inheritance bucks and you certainly were mia in doing your military time to help keep your money and your way of life safe like some of us did for you.

If you failed....your companies went under....you lost everything....

Did you fail by yourself? If not, should your employees, the city, the county, the state AND the federal government share in your financial losses and kick in their fair share?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Post the entire statement and then say that....

Yabut, if they don't lift PART of a phrase, OUT OF CONTEXT, then they can't lie about it.

As usual, all the right has is lies.

 

[The Rabbi]

I've owned my own business for decades, started from scratch and know damn well all the sacrifices and travails of what it's like being a business owner and growing it. I'll also "get back to you" and say I don't have a damn problem with these words and are in complete agreement with them:

=========================
OBAMA: “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.
If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill.

That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet.

That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”

I've mortgaged property, cashed in ira's to start businesses and buy units, sometimes working two jobs, renting out rooms, or whatever it took. Still, we all have help and/or good fortune along the way and I agree with the "you didn't build it by yourself" sentiment. And many others like me say the same. I also did military time back in the day when people were actually drafted. I helped keep the shipping lanes safe, and foreign countries safe for our large corporations to do business in. Then to add insult to injury, some of these bastards offshore american jobs to communist countries and they claim residence in foreign countries to beat paying their fair share of taxes. I like to tell especially the romneys, bush brothers, and walmart heirs: you didn't build it without daddie's start up inheritance bucks and you certainly were mia in doing your military time to help keep your money and your way of life safe like some of us did for you.

If you failed....your companies went under....you lost everything....

Did you fail by yourself? If not, should your employees, the city, the county, the state AND the federal government share in your financial losses and kick in their fair share?

Now THAT would be a speech by Warren I'd like to hear:
You didnt fail at that all by yourself. Somewhere along the way an employee screwed you. You had to negotiate with suppliers who doubled your costs unexpectedly. The government restricted what you did and made it economically impossible. You didnt create that failure. You had help along the way.

 

[Wildman]

Tell me....which book do you recommend I begin with? You are telling me that I need to read books......but you have claimed that investment drives our economy. When are you going to support that claim?

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Economics-Common-Sense-Economy/dp/0465022529]Amazon.com: Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy (9780465022526): Thomas Sowell: Books[/ame]

Yer funny. You looked up a book. Sowell, huh? I thought for sure you'd give me a Cain title. You are a 999 guy, right?

STOP ! being stupid, and read the book he recommended..., O-*******-K ?

 

[The Rabbi]

Post the entire statement and then say that....

Yabut, if they don't lift PART of a phrase, OUT OF CONTEXT, then they can't lie about it.

As usual, all the right has is lies.

Ias this the new narrative here: Obama's statement was out of context so we're all twisting it? Because it's bullshit. We know what Warren said. We know what some fat Berkeley professor said. We know Obama was plagiarizing at least Warren. So we know what he meant. There was nothing out of context there, but it's a sign of the LEft's desperation they need to resort to an argument like that.

 

[g4racer]

Peach: I wonder what John Adams thought of Samuel Adams? John Adams appears to be the more intelligent of the Adams' family while Samuel, who failed at most things he attempted found his place when he became a stooge for John Hancock

 

[The Rabbi]

Tell me....which book do you recommend I begin with? You are telling me that I need to read books......but you have claimed that investment drives our economy. When are you going to support that claim?

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Economics-Common-Sense-Economy/dp/0465022529]Amazon.com: Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy (9780465022526): Thomas Sowell: Books[/ame]

Yer funny. You looked up a book. Sowell, huh? I thought for sure you'd give me a Cain title. You are a 999 guy, right?

I actualy read the book. And you have proven why you will remain an ignorant moron for the rest of your miserable life. Your spin meisters told you Sowell wasnt worth anything because he's a black man off the plantation. So of course you have to dismiss him too. Because you can't think for yourself.

 

[boilermaker55]

Still you cannot deny your comments are untruthful if you agree with the OP

Why not go and check out your original statement.
Then try to say it is deflection
"The most ignorant line in the history of man."
So yo don't consider georgie boy bush a man lol.
But he did make some rather ignorant stupid statements. So you try to say they don't count.
You made one of the most moronic statements then. You are in a class by yourself making that statement of deflection.
It's quite obvious you don't have an idea of how to construct a statement that is true.

Wow, major league deflection there.

So everything must be compared to Bush's war, then?

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My original statement?

I didn't make that statement.

This isn't my thread.

Wanna try again?



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[Mac1958]

Still you cannot deny your comments are untruthful if you agree with the OP

I was merely pointing out your deflection.

Of course I don't agree with the OP.

And neither does the OP, I suspect.

I recognize hyperbole when I see it.

Do you?

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[blackhawk]

"If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Spoken by someone who clearly never built anything.

Does this mean I didn't build my deck in the backyard?

You didnt build that! Someone else built the roads you used to get the wood there. Someone else harvested the wood and cut it. Someone else made those screws you used.
You were just in the right place at the right time. You were lucky is all. Plenty of folks work hard but they never build a deck. So it wasnt your hard work.
Now fork over money so your welfare class fat slob fellow citizen can also have a nice deck, you plutocrat.

It's nice to know I wasn't the sweating my ass off out there.

 

[SAYIT]

That some American businesses find it far more profitable to offshore some of their operations is a direct and unfortunate result of the less-than-hospitable tax environment in which they find themselves here. It is the job of management to maximize profits and asset values, thus providing millions of Americans with a just reward for investing in their companies. It is the same reason so many peeps buy so much (foreign) product from Walmart. Better bang for their buck.

Very well put.

What these people choose not to understand is that a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder value, which is the very reason for the existence of a corporation anywhere on the planet. If the corporation breaches that fiduciary responsibility, shareholders can and will sue and will probably win.

Thank you. I believe the key phrase in your response is "choose not to understand." They are willfully, even blissfully ignorant. Ironically, many of the whiners do or have family and friends who depend on interest and dividends earned on smart investments for which they eschewed current expenditures in order to save for their futures.

 

[SAYIT]

Post the entire statement and then say that....

Yabut, if they don't lift PART of a phrase, OUT OF CONTEXT, then they can't lie about it.

As usual, all the right has is lies.

Lifting out the ignorant part of the phrase for illustration isn't lying but spinning its meaning afterwards certainly is.