The Most Famous Fakes In Science

[PoliticalChic]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

 

[Hollie]

Actually, science does not ''back up'' the bibles. That's a bumper sticker slogan you dump into threads and never support.

Just because you turn a blind eye to, and refute anything contrary to your atheist dogma does not mean we have not supported our claims.

Just for starters:


Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The Holy Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. In 1924, Edwin Hubble proved that the spiral nebula in the constellation Andromeda was a separate galaxy, apart from the Milky Way. This extended the size and scale of our universe by many orders of magnitude. Then, after hearing Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, Georges Lemaître, an ordained Catholic priest, proposed the “primeval atom” in 1927 – in other words, the creation of the universe. This breathtaking advancement in scientific thinking came not from a pontificating atheist, claiming to have exclusive jurisdiction over truth and science, but rather from a devoted follower of the Creator of heaven and earth. Contrary to their pretensions, atheists do not possess the only key to discovery and knowledge.
In 1929, Fred Hubble discovered the Red Shift, eliminating any doubt that Lemaitre was right and Einstein wrong. Einstein had said to Lemaître , "your mathematics is correct but your physics is abominable." This phenomenon, Red Shift, shows that some galaxies are moving away from us at greater speeds than others, and that such velocities are proportional to their distance. This gave strong corroboration to the Big Bang theory of creation. The residual heat predicted in 1927 by Lemaître, and derisively dismissed by Albert Einstein, was later confirmed by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who in 1965 discovered the residual background radiation which is a remnant of the Big Bang. Penzias and Wilson of course received the Nobel Prize for their discovery, which was accidental. Genesis 1:1 was not.
Prior to Lemaître’s radical proposal, scientists believed that the universe was eternal, that it had always been as we see it today. An inherent aspect of the Steady State Universe is the assumption that matter is continuously being created, somewhere, somehow. This passed for science, until it was disproved in the 1965 Astrophysical Journal.
So we see Twentieth Century confirmation of the profoundly deep science originally expressed in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the first book of the Bible, and scientifically advanced centuries later by a Catholic priest (A “Fundie,”as Christians are so snidely denigrated by atheists), before anyone else.

[Note: I have searched for the alternatives to the Big Bang and found them laughable and completely unsupported by facts and observations. Five of them include that we are a steady state universe, i.e. it's always been here (preposterous); bouncing cosmology, i.e. big bang, contraction, another big bang, which is of course just a modified big bang; electric universe theory (totally cockamamey); black hole theory, i.e. we were formed from the black hole of another universe (where do they come up with these crazy fantasies!); and a simulation, i.e. we're not real, it's all a computer game.]

Genesis 1:1 - 1:31 Order of Genesis creation events


creation of the physical universe

transformation of the earth’s atmosphere from opaque to translucent

formation of a stable water cycle

establishment of continent(s) and ocean(s)

production of plants on the continent(s)

transformation of the atmosphere from translucent to transparent

(sun, moon, and stars become visible for the first time)

production of small sea animals

creation of sea mammals

creation of birds

making of land mammals

creation of mankind


The record given above perfectly accords with the findings of modern science. …

The odds that Moses could have guessed the correct order even if he were given the events are 1 chance in 11x10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1, or 1 chance in roughly 40 million.
Clearly Moses was inspired by God. (The Fingerprint of God by Hugh Ross, page 168)

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Modern chemistry could not have begun before 1802, when John Dalton formally provided experimental evidence that matter is composed of discrete atoms. Everything before this was mere speculation – guesswork. Nevertheless, it is clearly stated in Genesis that man is “formed of the dust of the ground”, which is to say, the same elements of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, iron, nitrogen, etc, that we find in . . . dust of the ground, minerals.

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every foul of the air;
The same elements which form humans also form animals everywhere. However, there is no Biblical reference to “a living soul” with respect to animals. Nor do animals have the capacity to worship and appreciate the spirituality and hope that is one of the premier hallmarks of mankind, and our supreme bequest.

Genesis 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
One would think that as a result of the disciplines and analyses and benefits the man-made invention of science has helped us to discover, mankind should have been able to eliminate corruption and violence so prevalent thousands of years ago. Today, we have tools of production and health and social enlightenment unimaginable when the book of Genesis was written. But the earth today is still full of corruption and violence. Cornucopias of goods and services have not satisfied mankind’s lust for more, nor have psychologists and sociologists resolved the complex issues that lead people into destructive behavior. With burgeoning prison populations, and monstrous acts of evil on the increase worldwide, there seems little hope that corruption and violence will ever be eradicated by secular science.

Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
Although the North American Continent was unknown when the Bible was written, paleontologists confirm that the interior of North America was once covered by shallow seas. Fossil evidence from distant parts of the globe that were unknown to inhabitants of ancient Israel lends scientific confirmation to the Noachian Flood described in the most ancient book of science known to man, the Holy Bible. . I do not pretend to know the length of the six "days" of creation. However it is abundantly clear to me that the Elegance of Everything and the insuperable statistics of abiogenesis and the Anthropic Principle are eternally inexplicable by any exclusively naturalistic method. To those with eyes, God’s Hand is clearly visible everywhere one looks. The more questions that are answered by *science,* the more new questions arise. This endless search for everything perfectly mirrors our abject ignorance of the nature of our Creator, and stands in stark contrast with what should naturalistically follow if nothing had indeed made everything. Nothing is so simple. God is far beyond complex. So it is with the whole heaven.

There is much, much more besides this showing the concordance of science to the Holy Bible, at long last. It took centuries for science to catch up.

A History of Religious Hoaxes
By Benjamin Radford October 01, 2012

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Full-length negative photograph of the Shroud of Turin.
(Image: © Public domain)

The trailer for the film "Innocence of Muslims" recently led to riots over its depiction of the prophet Muhammad as a womanizer, child molester and criminal. Several Americans, including U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens, were killed in protests that have been linked to the film.
Despite the outrage it's not clear that the film actually exists; certainly a trailer for it does, but a trailer isn't a film. Investigation into the anti-Muslim "film" is ongoing, but as yet there seems to be no evidence that the film exists other than as a deadly hoax. People create hoaxes for many reasons, but when fraud mixes with religious fervor the results can range from the comical to the deadly.

1. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion


Perhaps the most infamous and malicious religious hoax in history, "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is a book supposedly revealing a secret Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. It first appeared in Russia in 1905, and though the book has been completely discredited as a forgery, it is still in print and remains widely circulated.Many people have endorsed this religious hoax, including actor Mel Gibson, Adolf Hitler, and automaker Henry Ford, who in 1920 paid to have a half-million copies of the book published. [Top 10 Conspiracy Theories]

2. The Shroud of Turin and Other Holy Relics

Though many believe that Italy's Shroud of Turin is the burial shroud of Jesus, there's compelling evidence the shroud is in fact a hoax, including a 1389 letter from French Bishop Pierre d'Arcisto Pope Clement stating that a painter confessed to creating it. Indeed, the Bishop's evidence was so convincing that even Pope Clement acknowledged it as a forgery — one of countless faked religious relics circulating at the time. Carbon dating of the Shroud of Turin revealed it does not date back to the time of Christ but instead 14 centuries later — exactly when the forger confessed to making it. Even more damning for its authenticity, there is no record of its existence before then; if it really is the burial shroud of Jesus Christ, it seems suspicious that no one knew anything about it for 1,300 years. Though many remain convinced of its authenticity, the historical and scientific evidence suggest the Shroud of Turin is probably a religious hoax. As researcher Joe Nickell noted in his book "Relics of the Christ" (The University Press of Kentucky, 2007),the shroud on display in Turin is only one of over 40 such Jesus shrouds — all claimed to be the real one. [Who Was Jesus, the Man?]



3. The Cardiff Giant

When farm workers digging a well in Cardiff, N.Y., uncovered a fossilized man in 1869 they found something remarkable. The Cardiff Giant, as the figure became known, was a somewhat realistic figure with roughly human dimensions — except that it was nearly 10 feet tall. It was clearly something unique — but what exactly it was divided the public. Some believed it was a stone carving, but who would have made it so long ago that it was buried so deep in the ground? Others, including a local reverend, were convinced it was proof of the literal truth of Biblical scripture, specifically Genesis 6:4 ("There were giants in the earth in those days" KJV). Here, finally, was one of those Biblical giants, discovered on a rural New York farm! It was in fact a clever hoax by a man named George Hull who had planted the carved stone where it would later be found by the farm hands, partly to prove the Bible literalists wrong.



4. Indian Guru Sai Baba's Legerdemain

One of the most influential spiritual leaders in India, Satya Sai Baba died last year at the age of 84. For over five decades the charismatic guru enthralled and mystified followers by performing minor miracles, including producing holy ash, watches, statues, necklaces and rings seemingly out of thin air. However, skeptical investigators including Basava Premanand of the Federation of Indian Rationalist Associations accused Sai Baba of simple magicians' tricks, and pointed out that all the objects were small and easily concealed in his hands and long-sleeved robes. In at least one case Sai Baba was caught on film by British investigator Professor Richard Wiseman secretly pulling small objects from his person while pretending they appeared out of nowhere.


5. The Discovery of Noah's Ark

Those seeking to find archaeological and historical proof of events in the Bible have often looked for — and, some claim, even found — Noah's Ark. Though many claims of finding the ark are honest mistakes, in 1993 a man hoaxed CBS television into running atwo-hour primetime special titled "The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark." It featured a man named George Jammal, who claimed to have found the ark on a mountain in Turkey. As proof of his incredible claim, he proudly displayed a piece of wood from the ark; it was in fact scrap pine marinated in soy sauce, and Jammal was an actor who had never even been to Turkey.


6. The Ossuary of James, Brother of Jesus

In 2002 an antiquities dealer in Israel claimed to have discovered a limestone ossuary (used to hold bones of the dead) with an inscription in Aramaic on one side of the box identifying its (missing) contents as those of "James, Son of Joseph, Brother of Jesus." The find made international news because if genuine, it might provide archaeological evidence for Jesus Christ. However many archaeologists were skeptical for several reasons, including that there was no clear provenance (history) for the item and because carved rosette patterns on the other side of the box were rounded from age and decay, while the script on the disputed inscription had sharp edges suggesting it was recently added. A chalk wash also appeared to have been added to the lettering to make it appear older than it actually was. In 2003 the Israeli Antiquities Authority published a report concluding that the inscription was a modern forgery carved on a genuinely old ossuary box. [Faux Real: A Gallery of Forgeries]



7. God Speaks to Peter Popoff Via Short-Wave Radio


One of the most prominent televangelists in the 1980s was Peter Popoff, who, during his services and revivals, would call out names and home addresses of audience members he'd never met. He even knew personal details such as family members' illnesses or their deceased loved ones' names. It seemed that Popoff got his messages from God or angels, and it greatly impressed his audiences and followers.


In 1986, magician James "The Amazing" Randi heard about Popoff's amazing abilities and decided to investigate. Randi noticed an apparently minor detail that most people missed: Popoff was wearing a hearing aid or earpiece. Using a radio scanner, Randi discovered that Popoff was actually getting biographical information about audience members from his wife (who had earlier spoken to the audience) using a short-wave radio. The scandal tarnished Popoff's ministry, but he eventually recovered and remains active today.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I explained the truth in the very first post

False. At no point have you stated what you believe to be the correct hypothesis. And you have made it clear -- with your embarrassing crybabying and tap dancing -- that, at no point, are you going to muster the courage to do this.

This successful demonstration has concluded. You are a fraud and an intellectual midget. Can't even answer the simple question...what an embarrassing, insubstantial ball of fluff you are...

 

[Taz]

I'll prove evolution to you. Look at houses and clothes from 200 years ado. People were a lot smaller back then, meaning that over time, we're evolving to be taller humans. It's a fact.
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I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.

Your first claim, that houses and clothes "evolve" simply indicates that people learn how to do things more efficiently and comfortably. We prosper over time and make nicer things for ourselves.
That mankind has grown taller is at least in part attributable to better nutrition and health care. That's a fact. But nevertheless, adaptation is microevolution, not change in kind. It's a fact.

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You see what you want to see, and refute anything that does not fit your paradigm. Can't be any more unfair and anti-science than that.

I refer you to The Devil's Delusion - Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions, by David Berlinski, Illogical Atheism - A Comprehensive Response to the Contemporary Freethinking by a
Lapsed Agnostic by Bo Jinn, and The Irrational Atheist - Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens, by Vox Day.

My notes on Vox Day's brilliant book were sent to you so you could see some light of day.
I also have notes on Bo Jinn's book which I had to request on loan from the Library of Congress, such are Leftist libraries across the nation that they are afraid to purchase any books conservative Christians might wish to read. "Public education is a socialist monopoly, a real one." - The Late Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate

So are public libraries.

"microevolution" uses the word"evolution", meaning that you agree that evolution is a fact.

I am not an Atheist, but Agnostic.

You believe in the Devil, making you a gullible fool.

It does not matter if evolution happens as there is no way that DNA formed out of nothing in a pond. Science proves that code has to have a code writer, so God created his work to improve which is what all creators seek, the only difference is God created his work to improve itself so we have adaptation and evolution.

No big deal actually it does not need to be one or the other

Actually, we don't yet know how DNA was formed or if it might have come from space on a meteor. Ignorance doesn't default to an invisible friend.

Here is the really cool thing, if DNA evolves on it's own and we take and find something that will exist on Mars even if we help by engineering it, we have proved God and anything on Earth may well evolve on Mars. Now that's not entirely likely because Mars is not very Earthlike, but expand out and suppose we find a suitable but dead planet and we let life go and it takes.

God is proven, scary that it's us, but it is

But that's not god as in the invisible superbeing that poofed our universe into being. So it's the same word, but the god I just mentioned is not proven in your scenario. Just that we are a form of god, in a manner of speaking.

 

[Taz]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

So where do you think all the different animals came from? God abracadabra-ed them into being?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I explained the truth in the very first post

False. At no point have you stated what you believe to be the correct hypothesis. And you have made it clear -- with your embarrassing crybabying and tap dancing -- that, at no point, are you going to muster the courage to do this.

This successful demonstration has concluded. You are a fraud and an intellectual midget. Can't even answer the simple question...what an embarrassing, insubstantial ball of fluff you are...

"At no point have you stated what you believe to be the correct hypothesis."

The thread proves that what you accept is false....Darwin's theory.
I never said I would provide the actual explanation for diversity of organisms.

I merely proved that you were easily fooled by government school.
No wonder you're so upset.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

So where do you think all the different animals came from? God abracadabra-ed them into being?

"So where do you think all the different animals came from?"

Is this your admission that I have forced you to except that Darwin's theory is false?

Excellent.

 

[Hollie]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

You mean, other than the documented proofs?

When creationer loons try to extend the reach of their holy books beyond the spiritual, it tends toward an ignorant, superstitious mindset. Creationers tend to be backward; they exult in their ignorance of science; they despise education. Their animosity to open investigation is palpable.

The earth isn't flat. Species evolved. These are not spiritual facts, they're material. Creationers tend to invent verses in their bibles to proclaim that the Bibles are accurate science texts. The earth is still not flat, as much as you believe it to be.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I explained the truth in the very first post

False. At no point have you stated what you believe to be the correct hypothesis. And you have made it clear -- with your embarrassing crybabying and tap dancing -- that, at no point, are you going to muster the courage to do this.

This successful demonstration has concluded. You are a fraud and an intellectual midget. Can't even answer the simple question...what an embarrassing, insubstantial ball of fluff you are...

"At no point have you stated what you believe to be the correct hypothesis."

The thread proves that what you accept is false....Darwin's theory.
I never said I would provide the actual explanation for diversity of organisms.

I merely proved that you were easily fooled by government school.
No wonder you're so upset.

Neato! But you still haven't worked up the courage to state what you think is the correct hypothesis. Nor will you. Ever. Because you are a fraud and an intellectual midget.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

So where do you think all the different animals came from? God abracadabra-ed them into being?

"So where do you think all the different animals came from?"

Is this your admission that I have forced you to except that Darwin's theory is false?

Excellent.

No sissy, that is him asking the same question that drives you into a tailspin, but that a normal person would be able to answer.

 

[Taz]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

So where do you think all the different animals came from? God abracadabra-ed them into being?

"So where do you think all the different animals came from?"

Is this your admission that I have forced you to except that Darwin's theory is false?

Excellent.

If you can offer up an answer to my question that satisfies the scientist in me, I'll dump Darwin. No problem.

 

[Hollie]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

So where do you think all the different animals came from? God abracadabra-ed them into being?

"So where do you think all the different animals came from?"

Is this your admission that I have forced you to except that Darwin's theory is false?

Excellent.

Noah’s Ark is not where all the different animals came from.

Excellent.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I explained the truth in the very first post

False. At no point have you stated what you believe to be the correct hypothesis. And you have made it clear -- with your embarrassing crybabying and tap dancing -- that, at no point, are you going to muster the courage to do this.

This successful demonstration has concluded. You are a fraud and an intellectual midget. Can't even answer the simple question...what an embarrassing, insubstantial ball of fluff you are...

"At no point have you stated what you believe to be the correct hypothesis."

The thread proves that what you accept is false....Darwin's theory.
I never said I would provide the actual explanation for diversity of organisms.

I merely proved that you were easily fooled by government school.
No wonder you're so upset.

Neato! But you still haven't worked up the courage to state what you think is the correct hypothesis. Nor will you. Ever. Because you are a fraud and an intellectual midget.

"But you still haven't worked up the courage to state what you think is the correct hypothesis."


Funny.....you were never courageous enough in school to demand proof of the theory they told you was the explanation.

Courage is one virtue I have in great supply.

If you can find a quote where I said I would inform you as the explanation for the diversity of life.....please provide it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

So where do you think all the different animals came from? God abracadabra-ed them into being?

"So where do you think all the different animals came from?"

Is this your admission that I have forced you to except that Darwin's theory is false?

Excellent.

If you can offer up an answer to my question that satisfies the scientist in me, I'll dump Darwin. No problem.

The opposite: provide what you claim as proof of the thesis proffered in government school......the one you bought like it was on sale.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

So where do you think all the different animals came from? God abracadabra-ed them into being?

"So where do you think all the different animals came from?"

Is this your admission that I have forced you to except that Darwin's theory is false?

Excellent.

No sissy, that is him asking the same question that drives you into a tailspin, but that a normal person would be able to answer.

Tailspin?

How so?

I provided the stupid quote of yours, demanded you support it......and you can't.

Not that anyone ever imagined you as more than a fool to begin with.

 

[Taz]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

So where do you think all the different animals came from? God abracadabra-ed them into being?

"So where do you think all the different animals came from?"

Is this your admission that I have forced you to except that Darwin's theory is false?

Excellent.

If you can offer up an answer to my question that satisfies the scientist in me, I'll dump Darwin. No problem.

The opposite: provide what you claim as proof of the thesis proffered in government school......the one you bought like it was on sale.

So you can't say where you think all the different animals came from? (I always went to a private school so have no idea what they do in the public system).

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'll prove evolution to you. Look at houses and clothes from 200 years ado. People were a lot smaller back then, meaning that over time, we're evolving to be taller humans. It's a fact.
-----------------------
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.

Your first claim, that houses and clothes "evolve" simply indicates that people learn how to do things more efficiently and comfortably. We prosper over time and make nicer things for ourselves.
That mankind has grown taller is at least in part attributable to better nutrition and health care. That's a fact. But nevertheless, adaptation is microevolution, not change in kind. It's a fact.

==========================

You see what you want to see, and refute anything that does not fit your paradigm. Can't be any more unfair and anti-science than that.

I refer you to The Devil's Delusion - Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions, by David Berlinski, Illogical Atheism - A Comprehensive Response to the Contemporary Freethinking by a
Lapsed Agnostic by Bo Jinn, and The Irrational Atheist - Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens, by Vox Day.

My notes on Vox Day's brilliant book were sent to you so you could see some light of day.
I also have notes on Bo Jinn's book which I had to request on loan from the Library of Congress, such are Leftist libraries across the nation that they are afraid to purchase any books conservative Christians might wish to read. "Public education is a socialist monopoly, a real one." - The Late Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate

So are public libraries.

"microevolution" uses the word"evolution", meaning that you agree that evolution is a fact.

I am not an Atheist, but Agnostic.

You believe in the Devil, making you a gullible fool.

It does not matter if evolution happens as there is no way that DNA formed out of nothing in a pond. Science proves that code has to have a code writer, so God created his work to improve which is what all creators seek, the only difference is God created his work to improve itself so we have adaptation and evolution.

No big deal actually it does not need to be one or the other

Actually, we don't yet know how DNA was formed or if it might have come from space on a meteor. Ignorance doesn't default to an invisible friend.

Here is the really cool thing, if DNA evolves on it's own and we take and find something that will exist on Mars even if we help by engineering it, we have proved God and anything on Earth may well evolve on Mars. Now that's not entirely likely because Mars is not very Earthlike, but expand out and suppose we find a suitable but dead planet and we let life go and it takes.

God is proven, scary that it's us, but it is

But that's not god as in the invisible superbeing that poofed our universe into being. So it's the same word, but the god I just mentioned is not proven in your scenario. Just that we are a form of god, in a manner of speaking.

I understand why you'd rather change the subject.

Must be painful for you,. huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

What if you believed in a scientific principle....and became aware that it is only supported with lies and fabrications.
Would you continue to believe it?
It is....and you do. I'll prove it in this thread.



1.It would be amusing if it weren’t so tragic: the lies that have been perpetrated in government school. Like this...

“Evolution is a fact.” Science Believers

And this…

“Evolution [Darwin’s Theory] is a fact and is the basis of all of biology. The theory of evolution is the most robust, well supported scientific theory in the history of mankind.” The Pretense Called Evolution




2. The ’proof’ offered by a number of those fooled is the fossil record, and the mechanism of mutations, both of which have been proven false. Proof can be found here:

The Pretense Called Evolution

and

The Biology Term For History

Both scrupulously documented and supported.



3. The reason this thread should be in Politics, not Science, is because Darwin’s plan, colloquially referred to as evolution, is that it, like the hallmark of politics, is based on lies.
In fact, that alone should make every person of integrity furious! And curious….’why would lies be necessary whether the theory is true or not?’ What makes advancing it so important?



4. One example is this, from the textbook currently used in NYC high schools, and probably throughout the nation:

“By examining fossils from sequential layers of rock, one could view how a species had changed and produced different species over time.” Kenneth R. Miller and Joseph S. Levine, Prentice Hall Biology (Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education, 2002), 382.

The actual fossil record shows the opposite of Darwin’s beliefs: " A few of the gaps (which are systematic in the fossil record) they claim to fill, but there’s another deposit in the region that throws the whole evolutionary story into disrepute: the Chengyiang bed in southern China. Here, the Cambrian Explosion has been documented in fine detail; all the major animal phyla appear in the early Cambrian without precursors."
Chinese Fossil Beds Astound Paleontologists (http://www.nature.com/index.html?file=/nature/journal/v421/n6925/full/nature01420_fs.html)

Entirely new lines simply materialize without the myriad failed changes that Darwin predicted.


And, why is it acceptable, or necessary, to lie to make the point?
But there is an even greater fabrication used to advance Darwinian beliefs....you learned it....and believed it….I’ll get to it…

The Queen of the Dummies is denying science again.

Me?

Queen is acceptable....but what science am I denying?

The propaganda called Darwin's theory????


You're not one of the fools who imagines (I almost said 'thinks') that there is proof of Darwin, are you?

So where do you think all the different animals came from? God abracadabra-ed them into being?

"So where do you think all the different animals came from?"

Is this your admission that I have forced you to except that Darwin's theory is false?

Excellent.

If you can offer up an answer to my question that satisfies the scientist in me, I'll dump Darwin. No problem.

The opposite: provide what you claim as proof of the thesis proffered in government school......the one you bought like it was on sale.

So you can't say where you think all the different animals came from? (I always went to a private school so have no idea what they do in the public system).

Did they teach Darwin's theory?

Did you look for proof, or simply nod your head?

Or.....can you provide proof of that theory?

 

[Taz]

I'll prove evolution to you. Look at houses and clothes from 200 years ado. People were a lot smaller back then, meaning that over time, we're evolving to be taller humans. It's a fact.
-----------------------
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.

Your first claim, that houses and clothes "evolve" simply indicates that people learn how to do things more efficiently and comfortably. We prosper over time and make nicer things for ourselves.
That mankind has grown taller is at least in part attributable to better nutrition and health care. That's a fact. But nevertheless, adaptation is microevolution, not change in kind. It's a fact.

==========================

You see what you want to see, and refute anything that does not fit your paradigm. Can't be any more unfair and anti-science than that.

I refer you to The Devil's Delusion - Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions, by David Berlinski, Illogical Atheism - A Comprehensive Response to the Contemporary Freethinking by a
Lapsed Agnostic by Bo Jinn, and The Irrational Atheist - Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens, by Vox Day.

My notes on Vox Day's brilliant book were sent to you so you could see some light of day.
I also have notes on Bo Jinn's book which I had to request on loan from the Library of Congress, such are Leftist libraries across the nation that they are afraid to purchase any books conservative Christians might wish to read. "Public education is a socialist monopoly, a real one." - The Late Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate

So are public libraries.

"microevolution" uses the word"evolution", meaning that you agree that evolution is a fact.

I am not an Atheist, but Agnostic.

You believe in the Devil, making you a gullible fool.

It does not matter if evolution happens as there is no way that DNA formed out of nothing in a pond. Science proves that code has to have a code writer, so God created his work to improve which is what all creators seek, the only difference is God created his work to improve itself so we have adaptation and evolution.

No big deal actually it does not need to be one or the other

Actually, we don't yet know how DNA was formed or if it might have come from space on a meteor. Ignorance doesn't default to an invisible friend.

Here is the really cool thing, if DNA evolves on it's own and we take and find something that will exist on Mars even if we help by engineering it, we have proved God and anything on Earth may well evolve on Mars. Now that's not entirely likely because Mars is not very Earthlike, but expand out and suppose we find a suitable but dead planet and we let life go and it takes.

God is proven, scary that it's us, but it is

But that's not god as in the invisible superbeing that poofed our universe into being. So it's the same word, but the god I just mentioned is not proven in your scenario. Just that we are a form of god, in a manner of speaking.

I understand why you'd rather change the subject.

Must be painful for you,. huh?

wtf are you talking about? Are you in the right thread?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'll prove evolution to you. Look at houses and clothes from 200 years ado. People were a lot smaller back then, meaning that over time, we're evolving to be taller humans. It's a fact.
-----------------------
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.

Your first claim, that houses and clothes "evolve" simply indicates that people learn how to do things more efficiently and comfortably. We prosper over time and make nicer things for ourselves.
That mankind has grown taller is at least in part attributable to better nutrition and health care. That's a fact. But nevertheless, adaptation is microevolution, not change in kind. It's a fact.

==========================

You see what you want to see, and refute anything that does not fit your paradigm. Can't be any more unfair and anti-science than that.

I refer you to The Devil's Delusion - Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions, by David Berlinski, Illogical Atheism - A Comprehensive Response to the Contemporary Freethinking by a
Lapsed Agnostic by Bo Jinn, and The Irrational Atheist - Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens, by Vox Day.

My notes on Vox Day's brilliant book were sent to you so you could see some light of day.
I also have notes on Bo Jinn's book which I had to request on loan from the Library of Congress, such are Leftist libraries across the nation that they are afraid to purchase any books conservative Christians might wish to read. "Public education is a socialist monopoly, a real one." - The Late Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate

So are public libraries.

"microevolution" uses the word"evolution", meaning that you agree that evolution is a fact.

I am not an Atheist, but Agnostic.

You believe in the Devil, making you a gullible fool.

It does not matter if evolution happens as there is no way that DNA formed out of nothing in a pond. Science proves that code has to have a code writer, so God created his work to improve which is what all creators seek, the only difference is God created his work to improve itself so we have adaptation and evolution.

No big deal actually it does not need to be one or the other

Actually, we don't yet know how DNA was formed or if it might have come from space on a meteor. Ignorance doesn't default to an invisible friend.

Here is the really cool thing, if DNA evolves on it's own and we take and find something that will exist on Mars even if we help by engineering it, we have proved God and anything on Earth may well evolve on Mars. Now that's not entirely likely because Mars is not very Earthlike, but expand out and suppose we find a suitable but dead planet and we let life go and it takes.

God is proven, scary that it's us, but it is

But that's not god as in the invisible superbeing that poofed our universe into being. So it's the same word, but the god I just mentioned is not proven in your scenario. Just that we are a form of god, in a manner of speaking.

I understand why you'd rather change the subject.

Must be painful for you,. huh?

wtf are you talking about? Are you in the right thread?

This is science, not theology.