'The Morgenthau Plan' As Death Sentence....

[Camp]

Manly and the Twenty-Year Revolution again. Nothing in your link shows Hopkins to be a spy. You provide subjective data that indicates Hopkins may have been misled, a dupe, made mistakes, etc., but nothing to confirm your insistant claim that he was a spy, which would make him a traitor.

This is how PC evades answering refutations of what she claims are "facts". It should be noteworthy that after being supplied with a scholarly, detailed synopsis of the topic of Hopkins, published by a conservative news source, PC does not refute the article, but rather bypasses it and reverts to unreliable sources or worse, she does a cut a paste of litany of quotes that does not even address the article that refuted her claim. She is now using subjective criticisms that Hopkins was incompetent to paint him as a spy.

Back for another lesson???

Sure.....

Let's see, if Harry Hopkins were a spy for Stalin.....how would he behave if he found out that the FBI found out about another Stalinist?

This is how:

In May of 1943, J. Edgar Hoover sent a letter to Hopkins, ....we know that Hopkins knew that he was tipping off the Soviets to FBI surveillance of a known Soviet Agent seeking US military secrets. " When we read what Hoover told Hopkins in his confidential letter — that a Comintern agent posing as a senior Soviet diplomat in Washington was passing money to the American Communist underground to establish Comintern networks within the U.S war industry to steal military secrets — and see Hopkins immediately turn around and tell the Soviet Embassy, where that same “diplomat” was posted, that the FBI was onto them, we have to realize that we are looking at a traitor, acting with Soviet, not American interests at heart. I don’t see any other plausible conclusion — and this traitor was the closest advisor of the president of the Unites States. …


We wouldn’t know about this act of treason if a retired KGB archivist named Mitrokhin hadn’t bothered to copy, hide, and successfully smuggle his archives out of the former Soviet Union in 1992."

ANDREW BOSTOM: A REVIEW OF DIANA WEST’S “AMERICAN BETRAYAL” | RUTHFULLY YOURS( quoting Diana West)





There is a fascinating book about the KGB, "The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB," by Christopher Andrew and, Vasili Mitrokhin ......I've read it....have you?


Mitrokhin's documents showed that Hopkins had warned the Soviet ambassador that the FBI had learned through a bug it had placed in the home of Steve Nelson, a Soviet illegal agent, that Nelson was getting money from the embassy. He met (KGB head in USA) Ahkmerov from time to time, giving him information to send to Moscow and receiving secret messages from Stalin....Ray Wannall, former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence, says he always suspected that Hopkins was a Soviet agent and that this is proof of his treachery.
http://seed-flame.blogspot.com/2012/02/16-venona-secrets.html



Now, then......

....which are you more of, a decrepit fool......or a dupe?

Both????

Your post regarding Mitrokhin, is directly addressed, explained and refuted in the link to the article by Haynes in Front Page which you refuse to address yourself. You are simply doing the same nonsense of using pre-Vassiliev Notebook data.
Other portions of your post(s) are just noise designed to make it look like you have compiled evidence, but it is a lame method of trickery. You list quotes of dubious relevance to the "fact" you are trying to establish knowing that most readers will not double check or question the worth of your cherry picked quotes. Unfortunately for you, a few here do check your sources.

"Nonsense"????


Clearly not.
"Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


The truth has been revealed.

Now, mind your betters.




And you didn't answer the question.....are you more of a decrepit fool, or more a dupe???
'Fess up!

More nonsense, this time from a pair of genuine hacks. Your sources get worse and worse. Given a genuine source from established scholars, you choose to ignore them.
Simple questions. Do you deny that the Hopkins story was debunked with the discovery and release of the Vassiliev Notebooks and the analysis and conclusions of scholars Haynes and Klehr? Do you have any works by established scholars that are post Vassiliev Notebooks that support your claim that Hopkins was a spy? Not criticisms of his worth and intellect, but actual support for your claim of him being a spy and or traitor.

www.johnearlhaynes.org/page102.html

The only 'hack' here is you.

I've given a dozen examples of the words of experts.....and every one exposes Harry Hopkins as the Soviet agent he was.

You...."is not, issss noootttttttt!!!"


And the reason?
It reveals Roosevelt as the vassal of Stalin that he was.




Sooooo......are you simply a decrepit fool.....or a communist dupe?

Which one?

How typical of you. You are evading answering the simple questions asked of you by simply patting yourself on the back and repeating your claim of Hopkins being a spy, despite the links to scholarly works published after new secret data from the former USSR was released that make your claim obsolete and exposed as wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Chic: soon the historians will be rating the presidents again and since they rated FDR number one; the greatest; best we've ever had, might you cut and paste a llttle something that will make them question their ratings? Apparently most of them know little of your efforts and just rely on the same old history, so at least send them your evidence as soon as possible. boy will they be stunned.

Cut and paste is a method of presenting material.
You use it as though it somehow disqualifies the material presented.

It doesn't .

But your use, as an attempt to hide your inability to deny what is presented, marks you as an indoctrinated dunce, either too ignorant or too cowardly to confront the facts.

That's the truth....isn't it.


Let's review:

Roosevelt followed Stalin's orders to the letter!

The Morgenthau Plan originated in Moscow, was brought to Washington by the spy Harry Dexter White, and implemented by Roosevelt under the direction of Harry Hopkins.

The cost in America lives meant less than nothing to Roosevelt.



Find anything in my posts that isn't true, documented, or sourced.

You can't .....can you.

What is the evidence that the cost in American lives meant nothing to Roosevelt?

How many American servicemen's lives would have been spared had he ignored Stalin's demands for unconditional surrender, and accepted the surrender outright?


How many of your fellow American's lives would it have been worth to you?

There was never an actual viable and possible surrender offered by Germany, so you are just making stuff up to falsely promote your silly conspiracy theory.

America entered WWII very late in 1941....actually, 1942.


F.W. Winterbotham was chief of air intelligence for Britain's MI6, and wrote in his memoir that he had approved a plan sent by Wilhelm Canaris, head of German military intelligence, to overthrow Hitler and surrender to the Allies, in 1942. ("Secret and Personal," by F.W. Winterbotham )

Imagine....the war could have been ended in '42-'43

.
Stalin wouldn't allow it.....so, of course, his boy-toy, FDR, acquiesced.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Back for another lesson???

Sure.....

Let's see, if Harry Hopkins were a spy for Stalin.....how would he behave if he found out that the FBI found out about another Stalinist?

This is how:

In May of 1943, J. Edgar Hoover sent a letter to Hopkins, ....we know that Hopkins knew that he was tipping off the Soviets to FBI surveillance of a known Soviet Agent seeking US military secrets. " When we read what Hoover told Hopkins in his confidential letter — that a Comintern agent posing as a senior Soviet diplomat in Washington was passing money to the American Communist underground to establish Comintern networks within the U.S war industry to steal military secrets — and see Hopkins immediately turn around and tell the Soviet Embassy, where that same “diplomat” was posted, that the FBI was onto them, we have to realize that we are looking at a traitor, acting with Soviet, not American interests at heart. I don’t see any other plausible conclusion — and this traitor was the closest advisor of the president of the Unites States. …


We wouldn’t know about this act of treason if a retired KGB archivist named Mitrokhin hadn’t bothered to copy, hide, and successfully smuggle his archives out of the former Soviet Union in 1992."

ANDREW BOSTOM: A REVIEW OF DIANA WEST’S “AMERICAN BETRAYAL” | RUTHFULLY YOURS( quoting Diana West)





There is a fascinating book about the KGB, "The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB," by Christopher Andrew and, Vasili Mitrokhin ......I've read it....have you?


Mitrokhin's documents showed that Hopkins had warned the Soviet ambassador that the FBI had learned through a bug it had placed in the home of Steve Nelson, a Soviet illegal agent, that Nelson was getting money from the embassy. He met (KGB head in USA) Ahkmerov from time to time, giving him information to send to Moscow and receiving secret messages from Stalin....Ray Wannall, former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence, says he always suspected that Hopkins was a Soviet agent and that this is proof of his treachery.
http://seed-flame.blogspot.com/2012/02/16-venona-secrets.html



Now, then......

....which are you more of, a decrepit fool......or a dupe?

Both????

Your post regarding Mitrokhin, is directly addressed, explained and refuted in the link to the article by Haynes in Front Page which you refuse to address yourself. You are simply doing the same nonsense of using pre-Vassiliev Notebook data.
Other portions of your post(s) are just noise designed to make it look like you have compiled evidence, but it is a lame method of trickery. You list quotes of dubious relevance to the "fact" you are trying to establish knowing that most readers will not double check or question the worth of your cherry picked quotes. Unfortunately for you, a few here do check your sources.

"Nonsense"????


Clearly not.
"Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


The truth has been revealed.

Now, mind your betters.




And you didn't answer the question.....are you more of a decrepit fool, or more a dupe???
'Fess up!

More nonsense, this time from a pair of genuine hacks. Your sources get worse and worse. Given a genuine source from established scholars, you choose to ignore them.
Simple questions. Do you deny that the Hopkins story was debunked with the discovery and release of the Vassiliev Notebooks and the analysis and conclusions of scholars Haynes and Klehr? Do you have any works by established scholars that are post Vassiliev Notebooks that support your claim that Hopkins was a spy? Not criticisms of his worth and intellect, but actual support for your claim of him being a spy and or traitor.

www.johnearlhaynes.org/page102.html

The only 'hack' here is you.

I've given a dozen examples of the words of experts.....and every one exposes Harry Hopkins as the Soviet agent he was.

You...."is not, issss noootttttttt!!!"


And the reason?
It reveals Roosevelt as the vassal of Stalin that he was.




Sooooo......are you simply a decrepit fool.....or a communist dupe?

Which one?

How typical of you. You are evading answering the simple questions asked of you by simply patting yourself on the back and repeating your claim of Hopkins being a spy, despite the links to scholarly works published after new secret data from the former USSR was released that make your claim obsolete and exposed as wrong.

Harry Hopkins......Joseph Stalin's highest placed spy: he lived with Roosevelt in the White House.

Need more of a spanking???

Sure.

1. There is absolutely no evidence of Hopkins's patriotism outside of the fact that he worked in the White House. None. All that there is is an assumption, a faith based in wishful thinking. It provides for Hopkins the kind of benefit of the doubt that the Liberals never give to an opponents, as in Goldwater's vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, or Trent Lott joking that Strom Thurmond had been elected.


2. In 1998, the late US Air Force historian Eduard Mark published a break-through Hopkins analysis, a meticulous examination of what appears to be the first damning document to emerge from the Venona record against Hopkins. It was a partly decrypted Venona cable, authored by Akhmerov, in which a very senior Roosevelt administration official, code named "Source 19," conveyed the content of a private, top secret conversation between Roosevelt and Churchill in late May 1943 about the invasion of Normandy, which, at the time, was a year away.

By a process of elimination, this is what Mark concludes: "it is probable virtually to the point of certainty" that Harry Hopkins is Source 19. Eduard Mark, "Venona's Source 19 and the 'Trident' Conference of May 1943; Diplomacy or Espionage?" From "Intelligence and National Security 113, no. 2, April 1998, p. 1-31.

a. See Venona's Source 19 and the ‘Trident’ Conference of May 1943: Diplomacy or Espionage?



Now, then......which are you?

A decrepit fool......or a communist dupe.

Time for the truth.

 

[Camp]

Chic: soon the historians will be rating the presidents again and since they rated FDR number one; the greatest; best we've ever had, might you cut and paste a llttle something that will make them question their ratings? Apparently most of them know little of your efforts and just rely on the same old history, so at least send them your evidence as soon as possible. boy will they be stunned.

Cut and paste is a method of presenting material.
You use it as though it somehow disqualifies the material presented.

It doesn't .

But your use, as an attempt to hide your inability to deny what is presented, marks you as an indoctrinated dunce, either too ignorant or too cowardly to confront the facts.

That's the truth....isn't it.


Let's review:

Roosevelt followed Stalin's orders to the letter!

The Morgenthau Plan originated in Moscow, was brought to Washington by the spy Harry Dexter White, and implemented by Roosevelt under the direction of Harry Hopkins.

The cost in America lives meant less than nothing to Roosevelt.



Find anything in my posts that isn't true, documented, or sourced.

You can't .....can you.

What is the evidence that the cost in American lives meant nothing to Roosevelt?

How many American servicemen's lives would have been spared had he ignored Stalin's demands for unconditional surrender, and accepted the surrender outright?


How many of your fellow American's lives would it have been worth to you?

There was never an actual viable and possible surrender offered by Germany, so you are just making stuff up to falsely promote your silly conspiracy theory.

America entered WWII very late in 1941....actually, 1942.


F.W. Winterbotham was chief of air intelligence for Britain's MI6, and wrote in his memoir that he had approved a plan sent by Wilhelm Canaris, head of German military intelligence, to overthrow Hitler and surrender to the Allies, in 1942. ("Secret and Personal," by F.W. Winterbotham )

Imagine....the war could have been ended in '42-'43

.
Stalin wouldn't allow it.....so, of course, his boy-toy, FDR, acquiesced.

I said "viable" you dunce. Canaris never had the authority or backing to overthrow the Nazi's or Hitler. The plan he suggested was not viable. Did Canaris ever overthrow Hitler or prove that he could?

 

[Camp]

Your post regarding Mitrokhin, is directly addressed, explained and refuted in the link to the article by Haynes in Front Page which you refuse to address yourself. You are simply doing the same nonsense of using pre-Vassiliev Notebook data.
Other portions of your post(s) are just noise designed to make it look like you have compiled evidence, but it is a lame method of trickery. You list quotes of dubious relevance to the "fact" you are trying to establish knowing that most readers will not double check or question the worth of your cherry picked quotes. Unfortunately for you, a few here do check your sources.

"Nonsense"????


Clearly not.
"Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


The truth has been revealed.

Now, mind your betters.




And you didn't answer the question.....are you more of a decrepit fool, or more a dupe???
'Fess up!

More nonsense, this time from a pair of genuine hacks. Your sources get worse and worse. Given a genuine source from established scholars, you choose to ignore them.
Simple questions. Do you deny that the Hopkins story was debunked with the discovery and release of the Vassiliev Notebooks and the analysis and conclusions of scholars Haynes and Klehr? Do you have any works by established scholars that are post Vassiliev Notebooks that support your claim that Hopkins was a spy? Not criticisms of his worth and intellect, but actual support for your claim of him being a spy and or traitor.

www.johnearlhaynes.org/page102.html

The only 'hack' here is you.

I've given a dozen examples of the words of experts.....and every one exposes Harry Hopkins as the Soviet agent he was.

You...."is not, issss noootttttttt!!!"


And the reason?
It reveals Roosevelt as the vassal of Stalin that he was.




Sooooo......are you simply a decrepit fool.....or a communist dupe?

Which one?

How typical of you. You are evading answering the simple questions asked of you by simply patting yourself on the back and repeating your claim of Hopkins being a spy, despite the links to scholarly works published after new secret data from the former USSR was released that make your claim obsolete and exposed as wrong.

Harry Hopkins......Joseph Stalin's highest placed spy: he lived with Roosevelt in the White House.

Need more of a spanking???

Sure.

1. There is absolutely no evidence of Hopkins's patriotism outside of the fact that he worked in the White House. None. All that there is is an assumption, a faith based in wishful thinking. It provides for Hopkins the kind of benefit of the doubt that the Liberals never give to an opponents, as in Goldwater's vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, or Trent Lott joking that Strom Thurmond had been elected.


2. In 1998, the late US Air Force historian Eduard Mark published a break-through Hopkins analysis, a meticulous examination of what appears to be the first damning document to emerge from the Venona record against Hopkins. It was a partly decrypted Venona cable, authored by Akhmerov, in which a very senior Roosevelt administration official, code named "Source 19," conveyed the content of a private, top secret conversation between Roosevelt and Churchill in late May 1943 about the invasion of Normandy, which, at the time, was a year away.

By a process of elimination, this is what Mark concludes: "it is probable virtually to the point of certainty" that Harry Hopkins is Source 19. Eduard Mark, "Venona's Source 19 and the 'Trident' Conference of May 1943; Diplomacy or Espionage?" From "Intelligence and National Security 113, no. 2, April 1998, p. 1-31.

a. See Venona's Source 19 and the ‘Trident’ Conference of May 1943: Diplomacy or Espionage?



Now, then......which are you?

A decrepit fool......or a communist dupe.

Time for the truth.

Links have been provided that directly address the Mark assessment and detail why it was wrong. Both give proof that Source 19 was not Hopkins, it was Laurence Duggan. That is a historical fact you wish to ignore.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Germans fought more fiercely once they were made aware of Stalin's plan to grind their country to dust....the Morgenthau Plan.



10. "There is no way of calculating the number of American servicemen who lost their lives as a result of this policy."
"The Morgenthau Plan: Soviet Influence on American Postwar Policy," John Dietrich, p. 70-71


Perhaps....but I did state this in the OP: 'The Morgenthau Plan' As Death Sentence....

....for thousands of American Soldiers at the Ardennes.



What impact did the Morgenthau Plan have on the German fighting forces...specifically at the Ardennes?

"...German forces launched an unexpected last ditch offensive through the Ardennes, the epic fighting best known to us as the Battle of the Bulge.

In all nineteen thousand Americans were killed before it was all over in late January 1945, making this battle the costliest battle for the United States in the whole war." Diana West, "American Betrayal," p.299.



This never would have occurred had Roosevelt told Stalin that he would begin talks with anti-Nazi, anti-communist Germans who were enemies of Hitler and the Nazis.

But.....something was far more important to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, than the lives of the American soldiers he should have been expected to protect.


Know what was more important?
Joseph Stalin.

He said so, here:
In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Ambassador William Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.' He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies. "For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590

FDR replied: "Bill, I don't dispute your facts, they are accurate, I don't dispute the logic of your reasoning. I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man. Harry says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace." William C. Bullitt, "How We Won The War and Lost The Peace," Life Magazine, August 30, 1948, p. 94


".....if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return,..."

Including hundreds of thousands of American soldiers' lives.


This was Franklin Roosevelt....in his own words.

 

[Camp]

PoliticalChic is floundering as she evades answering some simple questions. Her conspiracy theory is reliant on Hopkins being a spy. Hopkins was not a spy. Even her main sources, suspect as they are, are careful to point out that their conclusions are based to a large part on speculation. Secret Soviet documents released show those speculative conclusions were wrong.

 

[rightwinger]

Stalin's policy was simple: the result of the war had to leave Germany a smoldering wreckage

Damn...works for me

Why does PC want to leave the Nazi Death Camps in place?

I'm not sure she would have actually favored leaving the Death Camps in place, her sympathy for the Hitlerians may not extend quite that far. Still, her dismay at the allies demanding unconditional surrender and not allowing Hitler and/or his cohorts negotiating the best deal possible might raise a few eyebrows around an American Legion luncheon table. Her humanity certainly shines through in her concern for the treatment of the Nazis post war. After the war in which about 42 million Europeans were killed (of which only about 14 million were soldiers) and every major city sustained horrific damage and much of the life-sustaining infrastructure, rural as well as urban, was destroyed, most of the rest of the World was baying for blood. P.C. seems to think the World should have been more loving, more forgiving toward the wild beast that was Hitler's Germany. What a noble soul she must be. The Morgenthau Plan was designed to curtail Germany's war making capability, dismantling or destroying or confiscating the steel making capacities and the factories and heavy industry and mines. Other measures were definitely designed to be punitive and did inflict harm on the German people who hadn't exactly rose in unison to protest the murderous Nazi policies. This was one of the main reasons Roosevelt approved the plan. As he said, "Too many people here and in England hold the view that the German people as a whole are not responsible for what has taken place – that only a few Nazis are responsible. That unfortunately is not based on fact. The German people must have it driven home to them that the whole nation has been engaged in a lawless conspiracy against the decencies of modern civilization". Actually considering the horrors inflicted on the World by the Nazi nation it might be surprising to some that the harshest of the measures were being rolled back by 1947 and eventually Germany would benefit from the policies of the Marshall plan along with the European nations that had actually been allies in the most destructive war in human history. As an aside, taking the historical record into account P.C. is giving Stalin significantly more credit for implementation of the Plan than any responsible historian would or could. He wasn't at the Quebec Conference where FDR and a reluctant Churchill initialled the plan.He had more homicidal plans for the Germans himself. And resistance to the plan in the U.S. Government was led by people like Secretary of State Hull and Henry L. Stimson, who if my memory serves me P.C. has in the past accused of being leading lights in the Communist infiltration of the FDR's administration. Sometimes her Machiavellian and imaginative versions of history are mind-numbingly paranoid and confused. Still, It's refreshing to see that she has a big heart, even if she reserves her sympathies for Humanity's rejects like Hitler, I guess.

It is the nature of Frau Braun to bemoan the Allied treatment of her beloved Adolf

Why did FDR have to be so hard on the poor Nazis?

Only about the 18th thread on it

Soooo....which is more of a lie, your attempt to associate me with the totalitarian Hitler....

....or your avi?

You still don't know what an avi is do you?

Ooooo..... a little sensitive about the lie?

Why?

You lie about so very many things.

You know I never endorsed the Nazis nor Hitler in any way.....yet hide behind the slander to attempt to shield every Leftist you can.


Now....that avi........
If lying were an opera, you'd be Pavarotti

Still clueless about what an avi is

 

[PoliticalChic]

Back for another lesson???

Sure.....

Let's see, if Harry Hopkins were a spy for Stalin.....how would he behave if he found out that the FBI found out about another Stalinist?

This is how:

In May of 1943, J. Edgar Hoover sent a letter to Hopkins, ....we know that Hopkins knew that he was tipping off the Soviets to FBI surveillance of a known Soviet Agent seeking US military secrets. " When we read what Hoover told Hopkins in his confidential letter — that a Comintern agent posing as a senior Soviet diplomat in Washington was passing money to the American Communist underground to establish Comintern networks within the U.S war industry to steal military secrets — and see Hopkins immediately turn around and tell the Soviet Embassy, where that same “diplomat” was posted, that the FBI was onto them, we have to realize that we are looking at a traitor, acting with Soviet, not American interests at heart. I don’t see any other plausible conclusion — and this traitor was the closest advisor of the president of the Unites States. …


We wouldn’t know about this act of treason if a retired KGB archivist named Mitrokhin hadn’t bothered to copy, hide, and successfully smuggle his archives out of the former Soviet Union in 1992."

ANDREW BOSTOM: A REVIEW OF DIANA WEST’S “AMERICAN BETRAYAL” | RUTHFULLY YOURS( quoting Diana West)





There is a fascinating book about the KGB, "The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB," by Christopher Andrew and, Vasili Mitrokhin ......I've read it....have you?


Mitrokhin's documents showed that Hopkins had warned the Soviet ambassador that the FBI had learned through a bug it had placed in the home of Steve Nelson, a Soviet illegal agent, that Nelson was getting money from the embassy. He met (KGB head in USA) Ahkmerov from time to time, giving him information to send to Moscow and receiving secret messages from Stalin....Ray Wannall, former FBI assistant director for counter-intelligence, says he always suspected that Hopkins was a Soviet agent and that this is proof of his treachery.
http://seed-flame.blogspot.com/2012/02/16-venona-secrets.html



Now, then......

....which are you more of, a decrepit fool......or a dupe?

Both????

Your post regarding Mitrokhin, is directly addressed, explained and refuted in the link to the article by Haynes in Front Page which you refuse to address yourself. You are simply doing the same nonsense of using pre-Vassiliev Notebook data.
Other portions of your post(s) are just noise designed to make it look like you have compiled evidence, but it is a lame method of trickery. You list quotes of dubious relevance to the "fact" you are trying to establish knowing that most readers will not double check or question the worth of your cherry picked quotes. Unfortunately for you, a few here do check your sources.

"Nonsense"????


Clearly not.
"Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


The truth has been revealed.

Now, mind your betters.




And you didn't answer the question.....are you more of a decrepit fool, or more a dupe???
'Fess up!

More nonsense, this time from a pair of genuine hacks. Your sources get worse and worse. Given a genuine source from established scholars, you choose to ignore them.
Simple questions. Do you deny that the Hopkins story was debunked with the discovery and release of the Vassiliev Notebooks and the analysis and conclusions of scholars Haynes and Klehr? Do you have any works by established scholars that are post Vassiliev Notebooks that support your claim that Hopkins was a spy? Not criticisms of his worth and intellect, but actual support for your claim of him being a spy and or traitor.

www.johnearlhaynes.org/page102.html

The only 'hack' here is you.

I've given a dozen examples of the words of experts.....and every one exposes Harry Hopkins as the Soviet agent he was.

You...."is not, issss noootttttttt!!!"


And the reason?
It reveals Roosevelt as the vassal of Stalin that he was.




Sooooo......are you simply a decrepit fool.....or a communist dupe?

Which one?

How typical of you. You are evading answering the simple questions asked of you by simply patting yourself on the back and repeating your claim of Hopkins being a spy, despite the links to scholarly works published after new secret data from the former USSR was released that make your claim obsolete and exposed as wrong.

Of course he was a spy for the Soviets.

Why else would he have warned the Soviet embassy when the FBI was closing in.


You no longer have to answer.
Clearly you are a decrepit fool AND a dupe of the communists.....just as your hero, Roosevelt was.


But his stupidity cost far, far more.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm not sure she would have actually favored leaving the Death Camps in place, her sympathy for the Hitlerians may not extend quite that far. Still, her dismay at the allies demanding unconditional surrender and not allowing Hitler and/or his cohorts negotiating the best deal possible might raise a few eyebrows around an American Legion luncheon table. Her humanity certainly shines through in her concern for the treatment of the Nazis post war. After the war in which about 42 million Europeans were killed (of which only about 14 million were soldiers) and every major city sustained horrific damage and much of the life-sustaining infrastructure, rural as well as urban, was destroyed, most of the rest of the World was baying for blood. P.C. seems to think the World should have been more loving, more forgiving toward the wild beast that was Hitler's Germany. What a noble soul she must be. The Morgenthau Plan was designed to curtail Germany's war making capability, dismantling or destroying or confiscating the steel making capacities and the factories and heavy industry and mines. Other measures were definitely designed to be punitive and did inflict harm on the German people who hadn't exactly rose in unison to protest the murderous Nazi policies. This was one of the main reasons Roosevelt approved the plan. As he said, "Too many people here and in England hold the view that the German people as a whole are not responsible for what has taken place – that only a few Nazis are responsible. That unfortunately is not based on fact. The German people must have it driven home to them that the whole nation has been engaged in a lawless conspiracy against the decencies of modern civilization". Actually considering the horrors inflicted on the World by the Nazi nation it might be surprising to some that the harshest of the measures were being rolled back by 1947 and eventually Germany would benefit from the policies of the Marshall plan along with the European nations that had actually been allies in the most destructive war in human history. As an aside, taking the historical record into account P.C. is giving Stalin significantly more credit for implementation of the Plan than any responsible historian would or could. He wasn't at the Quebec Conference where FDR and a reluctant Churchill initialled the plan.He had more homicidal plans for the Germans himself. And resistance to the plan in the U.S. Government was led by people like Secretary of State Hull and Henry L. Stimson, who if my memory serves me P.C. has in the past accused of being leading lights in the Communist infiltration of the FDR's administration. Sometimes her Machiavellian and imaginative versions of history are mind-numbingly paranoid and confused. Still, It's refreshing to see that she has a big heart, even if she reserves her sympathies for Humanity's rejects like Hitler, I guess.

It is the nature of Frau Braun to bemoan the Allied treatment of her beloved Adolf

Why did FDR have to be so hard on the poor Nazis?

Only about the 18th thread on it

Soooo....which is more of a lie, your attempt to associate me with the totalitarian Hitler....

....or your avi?

You still don't know what an avi is do you?

Ooooo..... a little sensitive about the lie?

Why?

You lie about so very many things.

You know I never endorsed the Nazis nor Hitler in any way.....yet hide behind the slander to attempt to shield every Leftist you can.


Now....that avi........
If lying were an opera, you'd be Pavarotti

Still clueless about what an avi is

Are you a 'Rightwinger'?

Or, simply a lying low-life?

Your answer will reveal the truth.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[
She still thinks that a fascist is the same thing as a communist..There is no hope for her...

Tell me, with all your "knowledge" gleaned from DailyKOS, prior to forming the Fascisti, Mussolini was head of what?

1. The Re-elect George Bush party
2. The Italian Ping-Pong party
3. The Italian Bolshevik party
4. The Republican party

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. So....what have we learned today?

a. Stalin never gave up his desire for world conquest. He bequeathed it to the world as the United Nations.

b. He used his erstwhile ally, Adolph Hitler, in phase 1.

c. He had a willing pawn in Franklin Roosevelt as the final act.

d. Stalin needed Germany destroyed, pulverized, via "unconditional surrender" so he could roll across Europe post war.

e. FDR ceded the Eastern half....and Stalin used his "Morgenthau Plan" to force the Allies to destroy Germany.

f. The catastrophic cost in life to American forces meant nothing to any of the players mentioned....not to Roosevelt, and certainly not to the man who killed tens of millions of his own citizens, Joseph Stalin.




g. "....over one hundred thirty-five thousand American GIs died – a startling figure today – between D day[June 6, 1944] and V-E day,[May 8, 1945]...."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich?



135,000 more American soldiers, sons, fathers, brothers..
...who would never be celebrated, welcomed home as heroes,
....would have danced in Times Square.....
...sacrificed by FDR in the service of Joseph Stalin and Soviet Communism.

 

[Camp]

Your post regarding Mitrokhin, is directly addressed, explained and refuted in the link to the article by Haynes in Front Page which you refuse to address yourself. You are simply doing the same nonsense of using pre-Vassiliev Notebook data.
Other portions of your post(s) are just noise designed to make it look like you have compiled evidence, but it is a lame method of trickery. You list quotes of dubious relevance to the "fact" you are trying to establish knowing that most readers will not double check or question the worth of your cherry picked quotes. Unfortunately for you, a few here do check your sources.

"Nonsense"????


Clearly not.
"Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


The truth has been revealed.

Now, mind your betters.




And you didn't answer the question.....are you more of a decrepit fool, or more a dupe???
'Fess up!

More nonsense, this time from a pair of genuine hacks. Your sources get worse and worse. Given a genuine source from established scholars, you choose to ignore them.
Simple questions. Do you deny that the Hopkins story was debunked with the discovery and release of the Vassiliev Notebooks and the analysis and conclusions of scholars Haynes and Klehr? Do you have any works by established scholars that are post Vassiliev Notebooks that support your claim that Hopkins was a spy? Not criticisms of his worth and intellect, but actual support for your claim of him being a spy and or traitor.

www.johnearlhaynes.org/page102.html

The only 'hack' here is you.

I've given a dozen examples of the words of experts.....and every one exposes Harry Hopkins as the Soviet agent he was.

You...."is not, issss noootttttttt!!!"


And the reason?
It reveals Roosevelt as the vassal of Stalin that he was.




Sooooo......are you simply a decrepit fool.....or a communist dupe?

Which one?

How typical of you. You are evading answering the simple questions asked of you by simply patting yourself on the back and repeating your claim of Hopkins being a spy, despite the links to scholarly works published after new secret data from the former USSR was released that make your claim obsolete and exposed as wrong.

Of course he was a spy for the Soviets.

Why else would he have warned the Soviet embassy when the FBI was closing in.


You no longer have to answer.
Clearly you are a decrepit fool AND a dupe of the communists.....just as your hero, Roosevelt was.


But his stupidity cost far, far more.

The explanation is in the link from Front Page by Haynes. You will not address it directly because the scholarly article blows your dopey conspiracy theory away.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Nonsense"????


Clearly not.
"Harry Hopkins,- FDR's alter ego, co-president, or Rasputin, "...the closest and most influential adviser to President Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II, was a Soviet agent." and “the most important of all Soviet wartime agents in the United States.”
The Treachery Of Harry Hopkins


The truth has been revealed.

Now, mind your betters.




And you didn't answer the question.....are you more of a decrepit fool, or more a dupe???
'Fess up!

More nonsense, this time from a pair of genuine hacks. Your sources get worse and worse. Given a genuine source from established scholars, you choose to ignore them.
Simple questions. Do you deny that the Hopkins story was debunked with the discovery and release of the Vassiliev Notebooks and the analysis and conclusions of scholars Haynes and Klehr? Do you have any works by established scholars that are post Vassiliev Notebooks that support your claim that Hopkins was a spy? Not criticisms of his worth and intellect, but actual support for your claim of him being a spy and or traitor.

www.johnearlhaynes.org/page102.html

The only 'hack' here is you.

I've given a dozen examples of the words of experts.....and every one exposes Harry Hopkins as the Soviet agent he was.

You...."is not, issss noootttttttt!!!"


And the reason?
It reveals Roosevelt as the vassal of Stalin that he was.




Sooooo......are you simply a decrepit fool.....or a communist dupe?

Which one?

How typical of you. You are evading answering the simple questions asked of you by simply patting yourself on the back and repeating your claim of Hopkins being a spy, despite the links to scholarly works published after new secret data from the former USSR was released that make your claim obsolete and exposed as wrong.

Of course he was a spy for the Soviets.

Why else would he have warned the Soviet embassy when the FBI was closing in.


You no longer have to answer.
Clearly you are a decrepit fool AND a dupe of the communists.....just as your hero, Roosevelt was.


But his stupidity cost far, far more.

The explanation is in the link from Front Page by Haynes. You will not address it directly because the scholarly article blows your dopey conspiracy theory away.

Of course I addressed it.

While quite an expert in many areas.....I have read several of his books.....he is incorrect about the highest placed Soviet spy, Harry Hopkins.

BTW....which of his books have you read.
And you didn't answer whether you read
"The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB,"
by Christopher Andrew Vasili Mitrokhin (Author)
....I have.



I not only addressed it....but provided a dozen experts who countered his opinion with facts.


You, or course, are simply a dunce who took time out today from your usual licking of FDR's boots....posthumously.



Don't worry......I'll give you ample opportunity to prove yourself a dunce and FDR-groupie, in the future.
More revelations to come.



BTW....I'm reading
"The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia,"
by Richard Overy


Beware.

 

[regent]

Chic, I don't believe you're convincing many posters of your theme song. For the upteenth time you have to convince the historians not the posters. Bundle your material up and send it to the historians before they rate the presidents again. I usually ask you to let us know how they responded, but this time I won't.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Chic, I don't believe you're convincing many posters of your theme song. For the upteenth time you have to convince the historians not the posters. Bundle your material up and send it to the historians before they rate the presidents again. I usually ask you to let us know how they responded, but this time I won't.

Gads....you're a regular knee-slapper.

As opposed to the ability to either admit that everything I post is accurate, true and correct.....

...or actually try to confront the posts....


....you trot out 'For the upteenth time' the very same less than clever 'send it to the historians before they rate the presidents again.'


It is clear that you would love to object to the facts that I present...but, like
a Eunuch in a Harem. you want to, but just can’t.


Bet you wish you had an actual education, instead of the indoctrination, huh?

 

[Camp]

More nonsense, this time from a pair of genuine hacks. Your sources get worse and worse. Given a genuine source from established scholars, you choose to ignore them.
Simple questions. Do you deny that the Hopkins story was debunked with the discovery and release of the Vassiliev Notebooks and the analysis and conclusions of scholars Haynes and Klehr? Do you have any works by established scholars that are post Vassiliev Notebooks that support your claim that Hopkins was a spy? Not criticisms of his worth and intellect, but actual support for your claim of him being a spy and or traitor.

www.johnearlhaynes.org/page102.html

The only 'hack' here is you.

I've given a dozen examples of the words of experts.....and every one exposes Harry Hopkins as the Soviet agent he was.

You...."is not, issss noootttttttt!!!"


And the reason?
It reveals Roosevelt as the vassal of Stalin that he was.




Sooooo......are you simply a decrepit fool.....or a communist dupe?

Which one?

How typical of you. You are evading answering the simple questions asked of you by simply patting yourself on the back and repeating your claim of Hopkins being a spy, despite the links to scholarly works published after new secret data from the former USSR was released that make your claim obsolete and exposed as wrong.

Of course he was a spy for the Soviets.

Why else would he have warned the Soviet embassy when the FBI was closing in.


You no longer have to answer.
Clearly you are a decrepit fool AND a dupe of the communists.....just as your hero, Roosevelt was.


But his stupidity cost far, far more.

The explanation is in the link from Front Page by Haynes. You will not address it directly because the scholarly article blows your dopey conspiracy theory away.

Of course I addressed it.


I not only addressed it....but provided a dozen experts who countered his opinion with facts.


.

No you didn't. How can your experts counter the works of Haynes and Khler when your sources were written before the Vassiliev Notebooks were secreted out of the USSR and published and do not challenge Haynes and Khler? Haynes and Khler are the ones who countered and addressed your so called experts with newly obtained documents.

You are never going to be able to make your conspiracy theory a factually based history.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Except you got it all wrong..Where did Adolf's inspiration for his brand of right winged dictatorship come from?

FDR's Tuskegee Experiment

 

[whitehall]

FDR seems to have operated by the seat of his pants rather than relying on any understandable plan or mission. The media writes the history books and the media loved FDR so he could do no wrong even when democrats ran a virtual corpse for a 4th term. Morgenthau was secretary of the treasury and there is no way he should have had any influence over FDR's international post war plans. The Morgenthau plan it is symptomatic of a dying man in the White House who couldn't preside over a simple meeting without fainting and having little or no concept of reality. FDR's failures of leadership left us with the Cold War and the Iron Curtain.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR seems to have operated by the seat of his pants rather than relying on any understandable plan or mission. The media writes the history books and the media loved FDR so he could do no wrong even when democrats ran a virtual corpse for a 4th term. Morgenthau was secretary of the treasury and there is no way he should have had any influence over FDR's international post war plans. The Morgenthau plan it is symptomatic of a dying man in the White House who couldn't preside over a simple meeting without fainting and having little or no concept of reality. FDR's failures of leadership left us with the Cold War and the Iron Curtain.

1. When it comes to the Morgenthau Plan, the significance is far more ominous.....he turned the reins of American government over to communist and homicidal maniac, Joseph Stalin.

2. "FDR seems to have operated by the seat of his pants rather than relying on any understandable plan or mission."
A simple but illustrative example....

‘Roosevelt imagined he could fix the world gold price from his bedroom. Morgenthau reported that when he visited Roosevelt on Friday, November 3, he suggested a 10- or 15-cent rise from the previous day, and Roosevelt decided on a 21-cent rise. Morgenthau asked the rationale for 21 cents, and Roosevelt is reported to have replied that “three times seven” is a lucky number. Raymond Moley, who became an opponent of the New Deal after being a part of it, remarked, “Roosevelt gravely marred his image as a responsible statesman, by the early-morning bedside guesses with Morgenthau about what the price of gold was to be ‘that day.’”’ http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0906e.asp