Germany’s New Morgenthau Plan.

[Captain Caveman]

Are you sure? Latin and Celtic are very near. And the word for mountain is "mons". ... One moment - do you like to say to me that in Germany exists a low mountain region which is called "Taunus". Do you like to carry owls to Athens?

Here the exact region:

What is your problem?

Taunus - Wikipedia

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[zaangalewa]

Taunus - Wikipedia

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"Taunus" is no Latin word. It is only a latinized expression, Captainus Cavemanus. You call Marcus Aurelius "Marcus Aurelius" for example. We call him just simple Marc Aurel - as if he would had been a German. But "Taun" is for sure also no German word. The strange thing: Somehow this word sounds Greek. But if so - why?

 

[zaangalewa]

"Taun" + "-" = "Faun"



When Wainamoinen played
Game became game
Joy tuned to joy
Animals came to many

When song resounds
And this song begins
Sing I silver, sing I golden
Wondrous thing

The bear climbed the valley
There was no animal in the grove
That did not shun the path
To be close to the harp

I sing a bird
And when this one sings
It rains gold and it rains silver
His song begins

From Wainamoinen's eyes
Clear tears were streaming
Big as birch leaves
Full of hope, full of longing

When song resounds
And this song begins
I sing silver, I sing golden
Wondrous thing

 

[Kruska]

Germans had no kings - Germans had dukes.

There were dozens of "German" Kings (Könige)- even before being elevated/crowned to Kaiser aka Emperor

E.g. Heinrich I.
Herzog von Sachsen 912–936, Ostfränkischer König 919–936, Königserhebung in Fritzlar

E.g. Otto I. der Große
Herzog von Sachsen und Ostfränkischer König ab 936, König von Italien ab 951, Römischer Kaiser 962–973, Königserhebung in Aachen Kaiserkrönung in Rom durch Papst Johannes XII

What a bullshit. Augsburg is one of the eldest cities in Germany - same is Regensburg - and nothing sounds silly in case of the name Augsburg. A wonderful city. The Roman name had been 'Augusta Vindelicorum' = 'City of Augustus in the territory of the Vindelics' .

Read carefully; I wrote Regenburg NOT Regensburg - and Augburg - not Augsburg
Therefore Regenburg sounds silly and would literally translate into Rain-castle - or taking your regen into account, it would translate into move/stir-castle.

I heard the older name "Ratisbona" for Regensburg is still used in Italy, Spain and Portugal.

Yes correct

No idea where the name Regen for the river Regen comes from

The Romans called this river Reganum and Reganus.

If it is important for you then see it this way. I do not think this drives anyone nervous in Regensburg.

Only seems to drive you crazy - (Regens aka Regieren) whilst anyone else in Regensburg agrees to Regen (name of the river)

Nevertheless the Danube since ever had been the very most important river in Regensburg and the brigde over this river in Regensburg had been the most important bridge for the whole occident, the whole western world. Reason: After the decline of the Romans no one had been able any longer to build big bridges for trades between the South and North. East and west had been connected via the river Danube but for South-North it needed a bridge. I heard the "Steinerne Brücke" = "Stone bridge" in Regensburg had been the first big building made with stones since the art how to make stable stone buildings had been lost together with the Roman civilisation. This bridge symbolizes the birth of a new world. Our world.

The first? not sure, but it's the oldest remaining stone bridge

Wie alt ist die alte Mainbrücke in Würzburg?

An der heutigen Stelle soll bereits um 1120 die erste Steinbrücke Deutschlands errichtet worden sein. Aufgrund zunehmender Schäden entschloss man sich im 15. Jahrhundert zu einem Neubau durch den Baumeister Hans von Königshofen.

 

[Captain Caveman]

"Taunus" is no Latin word. It is only a latinized expression, Captainus Cavemanus. You call Marcus Aurelius "Marcus Aurelius" for example. We call him just simple Marc Aurel - as if he would had been a German. But "Taun" is for sure also no German word. The strange thing: Somehow this word sounds Greek. But if so - why?

Read it again. Look at "word" and "name".

 

[zaangalewa]

There were dozens of "German" Kings (Könige)- even before being elevated/crowned to Kaiser aka Emperor


E.g. Heinrich I.
Herzog von Sachsen 912–936, Ostfränkischer König 919–936, Königserhebung in Fritzlar

I never said it did not exist idiots. King of the Eastern Frankish empire is a nonsense title. The leader of the Holy Empire is emperor.

E.g. Otto I. der Große
Herzog von Sachsen und Ostfränkischer König ab 936, König von Italien ab 951, Römischer Kaiser 962–973, Königserhebung in Aachen Kaiserkrönung in Rom durch Papst Johannes XII

2 times King - "East Frankonia" and "Italy" - also nonsense.

Read carefully; I wrote Regenburg NOT Regensburg - and Augburg - not Augsburg

Regenburg and Augburg exist only in your fantasy.

Therefore Regenburg sounds silly and would literally translate into Rain-castle - or taking your regen into account, it would translate into move/stir-castle.

Who writes Regen_burg and Aug_burg makes just simple a typing error. I ignore typing errors.

Yes correct

The Romans called this river Reganum and Reganus.

Both are not Latin words. You like it to invent Latin words, isn't it? In case it could have to do with "regnum" then it has also to do with kingdom. Perhaps it has to do with bees and their empire - perhaps it has to do with "movere" (=regen) or perhaps it has to do with anything else.

Only seems to drive you crazy - (Regens aka Regieren) whilst anyone else in Regensburg agrees to Regen (name of the river)

The first? not sure, but it's the oldest remaining stone bridge

The bridge in Trier is a remaining stone bridge from the Romans. Not so the "Steinerne Brücke" in Regensburg. This bridge was reconstructed. And the most astonishing thing: It worked. An ice flow for example is not destroying it.

Wie alt ist die alte Mainbrücke in Würzburg?

No idea.



1) There is a bridge over the Main
a bridge of stone.
Whoever wants to cross it
must turn in the dance.

Ref.: Falalalala, falalala.

2) A carter comes along,
has a heavy load.
His horses are three
and they dance by.

3) And a lad without shoes
and in rags too.
When he saw the bridge,
Oh, how he danced there.

4) A girl comes alone
on the bridge of stone.
Quickly grabs her little skirt
and she dances like the wind.

5) And the king in person
Descends from his throne.
As soon as he steps onto the board,
he dances a minuet.

6) Dear people
cut the bridge in two
and they swung the axe
and they danced with it.

7) All the people in the land
come running in a hurry.
Stay away from the bridge,
because we love to dance.

8) There is a bridge over the Main
a bridge made of stone.
We hold hands,
and we dance without end.

An der heutigen Stelle soll bereits um 1120 die erste Steinbrücke Deutschlands errichtet worden sein. Aufgrund zunehmender Schäden entschloss man sich im 15. Jahrhundert zu einem Neubau durch den Baumeister Hans von Königshofen.

Translation:
Germany's first stone bridge is said to have been built on the site of today's bridge around 1120. Due to increasing damage, it was decided in the 15th century to have it rebuilt by the master builder Hans von Königshofen.

Aha. So what?

A question: What for heavens sake do you like to "discuss" with me? Are you a German - or whyelse are you interested in the history of my country?

 

[zaangalewa]

Read it again. Look at "word" and "name".

Changes nothing. Did you read what you quoted? "Taunus" is no Latin word and this is totallly independent from what Tacitus wrote. He spoke about a 'male' region "Taun-us". One of the mountainous areas in Germania. "Taun" is by the way spoken "town" in English. ... Oha ... one moment ...

... nice that you had the time to wait ...

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town​

(n.)
Altenglisch tun"Einfriedung, Garten, Feld, Hof; Bauernhof, Herrenhaus; Heimstätte, Wohnhaus, Villa;" später "Gruppe von Häusern, Dorf, Bauernhof," von Proto-Germanisch *tunaz, *tunan "befestigter Ort" (Quelle auch für Altsächsisch, Altnordisch, Altfriesisch tun"Zaun, Hecke," Mittelniederländisch tuun"Zaun," Niederländisch tuin"Garten," Althochdeutsch zun, Deutsch Zaun"Zaun, Hecke"), eine frühe Entlehnung aus dem Keltischen *dunon "Hügel, Hügelburg" (Quelle auch für Altirisch dun, Walisisch din"Festung, befestigter Ort, Lager," dinas"Stadt," gallisch-lateinisches -dunum in Ortsnamen), von PIE *dhu-no- "eingeschlossener, befestigter Ort, Hügelburg," von der Wurzel *dheue- "schließen, beenden, vollständig umkreisen" (siehe down (n.2)).

Bedeutung "besiedelter Ort größer als ein Dorf" (Mitte des 12. Jh.) entstand nach der normannischen Eroberung durch die Verwendung dieses Wortes, um dem französischen villezu entsprechen. Das moderne Wort ist teilweise ein generischer Begriff, der auf Städte von großer Größe sowie auf Orte zwischen einer Stadt und einem Dorf anwendbar ist; eine solche Verwendung ist ungewöhnlich, das einzige Parallelbeispiel ist vielleicht das Lateinische oppidium, das gelegentlich sogar auf Rom oder Athen angewendet wurde (von denen jede eher eine urbswar).
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town

(n.)
Old English tun “enclosure, garden, field, yard; farm, manor house; homestead, dwelling house, villa; “ later “group of houses, village, farm,” from Proto-Germanic *tunaz, *tunan “fortified place” (source also for Old Saxon, Old Norse, Old Frisian tun “fence, hedge,” Middle Dutch tuun “fence,” Dutch tuin “garden,” Old High German zun, German Zaun “fence, hedge”), an early borrowing from Celtic *dunon “hill, hill castle” (source also for Old Irish dun, Welsh din ‘fortress, fortified place, camp,’ dinas ‘city,’ Gaulish-Latin -dunum in place names), from PIE *dhu-no- ‘enclosed, fortified place, hill castle,’ from the root *dheue- ‘close, end, completely encircle’ (see down (n. 2 )).

Meaning “populated place larger than a village” (mid-12th century) arose after the Norman Conquest through the use of this word to correspond to the French ville. The modern word is partly a generic term, applicable to towns of large size as well as to places between a town and a village; such usage is unusual, the only parallel example perhaps being the Latin oppidium, which was occasionally applied even to Rome or Athens (each of which was more of an urbs).

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If I see it the right way now then the word "taunus" came in the original from "tunaz" = "fortified place". What a simple answer. But why not? The truth is sometimes naive and simple.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Changes nothing. Did you read what you quoted? "Taunus" is no Latin word and this is totallly independent from what Tacitus wrote. He spoke about a 'male' region "Taun-us". One of the mountainous areas in Germania. "Taun" is by the way spoken "town" in English. ... Oha ... one moment ...

... nice that you had the time to wait ...

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town​

(n.)
Altenglisch tun"Einfriedung, Garten, Feld, Hof; Bauernhof, Herrenhaus; Heimstätte, Wohnhaus, Villa;" später "Gruppe von Häusern, Dorf, Bauernhof," von Proto-Germanisch *tunaz, *tunan "befestigter Ort" (Quelle auch für Altsächsisch, Altnordisch, Altfriesisch tun"Zaun, Hecke," Mittelniederländisch tuun"Zaun," Niederländisch tuin"Garten," Althochdeutsch zun, Deutsch Zaun"Zaun, Hecke"), eine frühe Entlehnung aus dem Keltischen *dunon "Hügel, Hügelburg" (Quelle auch für Altirisch dun, Walisisch din"Festung, befestigter Ort, Lager," dinas"Stadt," gallisch-lateinisches -dunum in Ortsnamen), von PIE *dhu-no- "eingeschlossener, befestigter Ort, Hügelburg," von der Wurzel *dheue- "schließen, beenden, vollständig umkreisen" (siehe down (n.2)).

Bedeutung "besiedelter Ort größer als ein Dorf" (Mitte des 12. Jh.) entstand nach der normannischen Eroberung durch die Verwendung dieses Wortes, um dem französischen villezu entsprechen. Das moderne Wort ist teilweise ein generischer Begriff, der auf Städte von großer Größe sowie auf Orte zwischen einer Stadt und einem Dorf anwendbar ist; eine solche Verwendung ist ungewöhnlich, das einzige Parallelbeispiel ist vielleicht das Lateinische oppidium, das gelegentlich sogar auf Rom oder Athen angewendet wurde (von denen jede eher eine urbswar).
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town

(n.)
Old English tun “enclosure, garden, field, yard; farm, manor house; homestead, dwelling house, villa; “ later “group of houses, village, farm,” from Proto-Germanic *tunaz, *tunan “fortified place” (source also for Old Saxon, Old Norse, Old Frisian tun “fence, hedge,” Middle Dutch tuun “fence,” Dutch tuin “garden,” Old High German zun, German Zaun “fence, hedge”), an early borrowing from Celtic *dunon “hill, hill castle” (source also for Old Irish dun, Welsh din ‘fortress, fortified place, camp,’ dinas ‘city,’ Gaulish-Latin -dunum in place names), from PIE *dhu-no- ‘enclosed, fortified place, hill castle,’ from the root *dheue- ‘close, end, completely encircle’ (see down (n. 2 )).

Meaning “populated place larger than a village” (mid-12th century) arose after the Norman Conquest through the use of this word to correspond to the French ville. The modern word is partly a generic term, applicable to towns of large size as well as to places between a town and a village; such usage is unusual, the only parallel example perhaps being the Latin oppidium, which was occasionally applied even to Rome or Athens (each of which was more of an urbs).

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If I see it the right way now then the word "taunus" came in the original from "tunaz" = "fortified place". What a simple answer. But why not? The truth is sometimes naive and simple.

Ok

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Ok

Anything to shut him up.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Anything to shut him up.

Yup

 

[Kruska]

A question: What for heavens sake do you like to "discuss" with me? Are you a German - or whyelse are you interested in the history of my country?

I don't think that anyone want's to "discuss" with you.

However since you write and post so much crap - some people will try to correct your errant statements

Like:
Germans had no kings - Germans had dukes.

My reply:

There were dozens of "German" Kings (Könige)- even before being elevated/crowned to Kaiser aka Emperor

E.g. Heinrich I.
Herzog von Sachsen 912–936, Ostfränkischer König 919–936, Königserhebung in Fritzlar

E.g. Otto I. der Große
Herzog von Sachsen und Ostfränkischer König ab 936, König von Italien ab 951, Römischer Kaiser 962–973, Königserhebung in Aachen Kaiserkrönung in Rom durch Papst Johannes XII

If then you reply King of Ostfranken, King of Italy, is a joke - well.............

 

[zaangalewa]

I don't think that anyone want's to "discuss" with you.

However since you write and post so much crap - some people will try to correct your errant statements

Like:
Germans had no kings - Germans had dukes.

The strange thing now is only that I am right and you are wrong although you can "prove" you are right.

My reply:

There were dozens of "German" Kings (Könige)- even before being elevated/crowned to Kaiser aka Emperor

E.g. Heinrich I.
Herzog von Sachsen 912–936, Ostfränkischer König 919–936, Königserhebung in Fritzlar

E.g. Otto I. der Große
Herzog von Sachsen und Ostfränkischer König ab 936, König von Italien ab 951, Römischer Kaiser 962–973, Königserhebung in Aachen Kaiserkrönung in Rom durch Papst Johannes XII

If then you reply King of Ostfranken, King of Italy, is a joke - well.............

It's totally unimportant what you say here. The only relativelly important title in this context is "King of Eastern Franconia" because East Franconia is the Holy Empire is Germany. In case nobody is emperor of the Holy Empire a king could be "the Fürst" - the 1st - the prince of the Holy Empire. King is a kind of hereditary title. But an emperor is elected. And a king owns a country - but a duke only manages a country. The pure German system is: Dukes elect an emperor and an emperor installs dukes. The older German system had been - people elect or select a duke and the dukes elect or select a common head.

The last German emperors since 1870 have for example nothing to do with this system at all. "King of Prussia" was not even a title of the Holy Empire at all. In the Holy Empire this title was "King in Prussia" because the title "King of Prussia" was only made once from the Polish king. The duke of Brandenburg inherited this strange title. And the German emperors who had been crowned in Versailles followed the "tradition" of Napoleon Bonaparte. I personally call them "Prussian emperors over Germany" And not German emperors. At this time of history the whole system was totally degenerated because of absurde nationalisms made from Great Britain, France and others.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

The strange thjognn ow is only that I am right and you are wrong although you can "prove" you are right.



It's totally unimportant what you say here. The only relativelly important title in this context is "King of Eastern Franconia" because East Franconia is the Holy Empire is Germany. In case nobody is emperoro of the Holy Empire a king could be "the Fürst" - the 1st - the prince of the Holy Empire. King is a kind of hereditary title. But an emperor is elected. And a king owns a country - but a duke only manages a country. The pure German system is: Dukes elect an emperor and an emperor installs dukes.

The last German emperors since 1870 have for example nothing to do with this system at all. "King of Prussia" was not even a title of the Holy Empire at all. In the Holy Empire the title was "King in Prussia" because the title "King of Prussia" was only made once from the Polish king. The duke of Brandenburg inherited this strange title. And the German emperors who had been crowned in Versailles followed the "tradition" of Napoleon Bonaparte. I personally call them "Prussian emperors over Germany" And not German emperors. At this time of history the whole system was totally degenerated because of absurde nationalisms.

Enjoying yourself?

 

[zaangalewa]

Enjoying yourself?

I understand the words - but what do you ask here, unpatient flippy? Are you a member of the German=United States of America? Then you should be able to understand what I say here.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I understand the words - but what do you ask here, unpatient flippy? Are you a member of the German=United States of America? Then you should be able to understand what I say here.

You couldn’t make it up!

 

[zaangalewa]

You couldn’t make it up!

The problem is now for me that I also understand this words but again I have not any lousy idea what you really say. And Germans are people who understand each other without interpreter.

 

[Kruska]

The strange thing now is only that I am right and you are wrong although you can "prove" you are right.

Okay - if you say so

It's totally unimportant what you say here. The only relativelly important title in this context is "King of Eastern Franconia" because East Franconia is the Holy Empire is Germany.

You wrote;
Germans had no kings - Germans had dukes.
And that is FALSE - as I had shown you via e.g Heinrich I. And the e.g. Sachsen, Franken and Ostfranken were indeed GERMANS
According as to what the English language defines/terms to be GERMAN.

Now you come up with the HRE - so what??
You are a German, or a US citizen with a recent German background, you can even formulate/express yourself in Bavarian, so why don't you understand the word and the meaning of Königserhebung (Crowning of a King - Kings -elevation)?

 

[zaangalewa]

Okay - if you say so

You wrote;
Germans had no kings - Germans had dukes.
And that is FALSE - as I had shown you via e.g Heinrich I. And the e.g. Sachsen, Franken and Ostfranken were indeed GERMANS
According as to what the English language defines/terms to be GERMAN.

Now you come up with the HRE - so what??
You are a German, so why don't you understand the word and the meaning of Königserhebung (Crowning of a King - Kings -elevation)

Let me say it in this way: If you read a book about Celtic history then you read normally a good book. If you read a book about German history then you read in very most cases nothing else than absurdities and nonsense.

The only important kings in Germany are the fairy tale kings and king Ludwig - the only real king who ever had existed.

 

[Kruska]

Let me say it in this way: If you read a book about Celtic history then you read normally a good book. If you read a book about German history then you read in very most cases nothing else than absurdities and nonsense.

I tend to agree

The only important kings in Germany are the fairy tale kings and king Ludwig - the only real king who ever had existed.

So according to you - the King of Prussia, Wilhelm I - never existed nor was he a King, before being elected to Kaiser of the Deutsche Reich in 1871.

 

[zaangalewa]

I tend to agree

So according to you - the King of Prussia, Wilhelm I - never existed nor was he a King,

What an nonsense. He was also king in Prussia - but this title was no German title - this had been a Polish title made once from a Polish king. That's why it is correctly called "King in Prussia" and not "King of Prussia". The Holy Roman Empire never accepted this title.

before being elected to Kaiser of the Deutsche Reich in 1871.

The Prussians had conquered one German nation/country by the next German country. They called this countries "colony" after they had conquered it. No joke! In the end the Prussians had been able to provoke France to declare war on Germany - what forced all other German countries to support the Prussians. The united German armies wan against France and as a result the Prussians declared the so called "German empire" (An expression which is by the way a contradiction in itselve). Indeed this "empire" (=new nation) had to be called "Prussian empire" and not "German empire". And the so called German emperor (crowned in Versailles in the followership of Napoleon Bonaparte - what had absolutelly nothing to do with Germany) was no German emperor but a Prussian emperor over Germany. William 1st was not so bad - but his son - the Brit and Prussian William 2nd was a pure disaster. What an unbelievable idiot. He showed very clear: Then time for nobles (or other elites) to rule a united nation is over.