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The Islamic roots of European civilization and the construction of the 'European identity'


Western civilization was based on the sciences of Muslims and their civilization, for the Europeans at the beginning of the Renaissance transferred everything that fell under their hands from Islamic sciences and knowledge to their languages, and there were centers of civilized radiation such as Andalusia and Sicily, to which Europeans came to receive knowledge at the hands of Arab and Muslim scholars.



Islamic civilization was - according to the testimony of historians and researchers - the greatest civilization the world witnessed throughout the Middle Ages,

not to Europe alone, but to all of humanity because the Arabs who established a great and sprawling state that extended from the ocean to the Gulf were not like other peoples who They flowed from the middle of Asia in the Middle Ages to demolish and destroy, but the Arabs possessed security and stability wherever they went, as they spread principles and ideals such as tolerance, brotherhood and equality.













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Historian Bettany Hughes presents a picture of Islamic civilization in Spain and the impact that this civilization had on the development of modern Europe. Hughes also indicates how the 'European identity' was artificially constructed by the Islamic origin of the acquired civilization "ethnically cleanse", to erase.



This false, ethnically purified image of Europe is unfortunately currently used for the Muslims to deny any contribution to European civilization and even enemies of civilization to label them.









Few in Europe today Realize how much they owe to Muslim Spain for that great dawn of enlightenment called the Renaissance. Many outstanding philosophers, mathematicians, scientists, astronomers and physicians from Andalusia are but obliterated memories for Europe, the forlorn buried in graveyards or oblivion.



History of the Moorish Empire in Europe



Infrastructure

The Andalusia in the 10th century, tells mp Scott, was crossed in all directions by awesome aqueducts. Cordoba was a city of fountains, roads were miles long brightly lit, paved, well maintained and regularly visited by security patrols.



For comparison: in London there were no paved streets until the 14th century, at night the city was plunged into blackness. It took until the reign of Charles II (in the 17th century) that even poorly active street lighting was installed in London.



Demography

On the death of Elizabeth England had about 4 million inhabitants. The population of Islamic Spain may have been over 30 million. No less six centuries earlier In London in 1700, was the most populous city in Christian Europe, only half the size of Cordoba in the year 900, and Almeria and Seville each had a population as large as the British capital 800 years later. (...)



Hygiene

In the middle of the 10th century there were 900 public baths built in the capital of Moorish Spain, in the 18th century there were not even so much in all the countries of Christian Europe together. (...) The fatal effects of the plague are convincing evidence of the appalling hygienic conditions that prevailed everywhere. The water was removed from the polluted river or from sources that stank of dirt. (...)



Science

Nothing illustrates the contrast in terms of science better than the importance attached to books. Scott let us know that the library Mostandir, the sultan of Egypt, 800 thousand books housed. The library of Tripoli contained 200 thousand. When Baghdad was destroyed by the Mongols in the 13th century, books were thrown into the Tigris covered the entire river, and colored water of the black ink, while an even larger share went up in flames. The caliphate of Spain had 70 public book collections, and alone the large library of Al-Hakam II contained 600 thousand books. Many private collections were correspondingly large, that of Ibn al-Mathran, the personal physician to Saladin, contained 10 thousand manuscripts.



Four centuries later, there were only books in Christian Europe, except those were kept in monasteries. The royal library of France contained 900 books, of which two-thirds was theological content. (...)



Education

In Muslim countries it was difficult to even come who could not read and write. Against a farmer In the same time allowed many senior people in Europe not say this of himself.

I see, nothing about the Bombathon. No one believes your bullshit. Your own holy texts tell the truth about Islam, not you.
 
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what does your Bible teach ?


It teaches that God murdered all those of two years old and less in Egypt to show that he was boss.

It teaches that God instructed his tribe to murder the women and children of his tribe. What message does that send to Christians about the treatment of their enemies? Do you wonder why Christian Germany ended up in murdering millions of Jews who they regarded as enemies?

It teaches that Jesus instructed his followers to forsake parents, siblings, friends etc as a necessity to follow him (Jesus).

Really. The story of taking the log out of one's own eye before attending to the splinter in one's brother's eye comes to mind.



Some believed that the events of the Old Testament ended in the New Testament, but God's provisions in the New Testament showed brutality and love for the sight of shed blood and his love for the smell of burnt bodies.

The moment he appeared on the scene, a massacre called the Annunciation Massacre of JESUS took place, and innocent children were killed ... children who were slaughtered without sin for the redemption of JESUS.
the verses of the sword found in the Bible. Christian missionaries blame Islam
We are going to recall them to their good memories and list THE verses of the sword found in the Holy Book, inspired, let us remember, by the Holy Spirit, who is one with JESUS du N.T. the God of Love.
When it comes to talking about the violence of the sacred texts, the hypocrisy is brought to a head by Christians. Their doctrine claims that their book is filled with Love, that their teachings are filled with Love, and that their divinity is Love. Now we will see the myth behind this design and remind them of the famous Christ saying:

Why do you see the straw that's in your brother's eye, and don't you see the beam that's in your eye?

(Matthew 7,3)


Here are the “10 commandments of biblical Jihad” that the Eternal - JESUS of the N.T. - laid in his infinite Love:

1) Prepare for war!
2) Cursed be he who takes his sword away from the Carnaaaaaaaaage!
3) Slay the enemy to the last: "Kill them wherever you find them"!
4) Do not spare women, old people, oxen, sheep and donkeys!
5) But take the Loot from time to time ...
6) Rape the little girls of enemies!
7) Don't forget to burn the city down after that!
8) The javelin verse!
9) The verse of the stone!
10) The verse of the ax, the harrows, the saws!



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The tolerance of Islam

The tolerance of Islam is another factor in the spread of Islam. The British historian Toynbee praises this tolerance towards the People of the Book after comparing it with the attitude of the Christians towards Muslims and Jews in their lands. (A Historian's Approach to Religion, p.246) T. Link attributes the spread of Islam to the credibility of its principles together with its tolerance, persuasion and other kinds of attractions. (A History of Religion) Makarios, Orthodox Patriorch of Antioch in the seventeenth century, compared the harsh treatment received by the Russians of the Orthodox Church at the hands of the Roman Catholic Poles with the tolerant attitude towards Orthodox Christians shown by the Ottoman Government and prayed for the Sultans. (T. Link, A History of Religion)

This is not the only example of preference by the followers of the religions for Muslim rule over that of their own co-religionists. The Orthodox Christians of Byzantium openly expressed their preference for the Ottoman turban in Istanbul to the hats of the Catholic cardinals. Elisee Reclus, the French traveler of the nineteenth century, wrote that the Muslim Turks allowed all the followers of different religions to perform their religious duties and rituals, and that the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Sultan were more free to live their own lives than the Christians who lived in the lands under the rule of any rival Christian sect. (Nouvelle Geographie Universelle, Vol. IX) Popescu Ciocanel pays tribute to the Muslim Turks by stating that it was luck for the Romanian people that they lived under the government of the Turks rather than the domination of the Russians and Austrians. Otherwise, he points out, "no trace of the Romanian nation would have remained." (La Crise de L'Orient)

How did Muslims behave towards the people of the conquered lands?

The Muslim's attitude towards the people of the conquered lands is quite clear in the instructions given by the rightly-guided Caliphs may Allaah be pleased with them:

Always keep fear of God in your mind; remember that you cannot afford to do anything without His grace. Do not forget that Islam is a mission of peace and love. Keep the Noble Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) before you as a model of bravery and piety. Do not destroy fruit-trees nor fertile fields in your paths. Be just, and spare the feelings of the vanquished. Respect all religious persons who live in hermitages or convents and spare their edifices. Do not kill civilians. Do not outrage the chastity of women and the honor of the conquered. Do not harm old people and children. Do not accept any gifts from the civil population of any place. Do not billet your soldiers or officers in the houses of civilians. Do not forget to perform your daily prayers. Fear God. Remember that death will inevitably come to everyone of you some time or other, even if you are thousands of miles away from a battle field; therefore be always ready to face death. (Andrew Miller, Church History)

A historical episode which Balazuri, a famous Muslim historian, tells about how pleased the native people were with their Muslim conquerors is of great significance:

When Heraclius massed his troops against the Muslims, and the Muslims heard that they were coming to meet them, they refunded the inhabitants of Hims the tribute they had taken from them, saying: "We are too busy to support and protect you. Take care of yourselves." But the people of Hims replied: "We like your rule and justice far better than the state of oppression and tyranny in which we were. The army of Heraclius we shall indeed, with your help, repulse from the city." The Jews rose and said: "We swear by the Torah, no governor of Heraclius shall enter the city of Hims unless we are first vanquished and exhausted." Saying this, they closed the gates of the city and guarded them. The inhabitants of other cities - Christians and Jews- that had been capitulated did the same. When, by God's help, the unbelievers were defeated and Muslims won, they opened the gates of their cities, went out with the singers and players of music, and paid the tribute. (Futuh al-Buldan)
Absolute rubbish! The Christians started attacking Islam from the First Crusade, and have not stopped. The Pope (Satan's rep) would not tolerate any competition, Christianity was losing ground, hence the relentless continuation of the crusades.

When the Moors Muslims Ruled Europe Documentary
 

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what does your Bible teach ?


It teaches that God murdered all those of two years old and less in Egypt to show that he was boss.

It teaches that God instructed his tribe to murder the women and children of his tribe. What message does that send to Christians about the treatment of their enemies? Do you wonder why Christian Germany ended up in murdering millions of Jews who they regarded as enemies?

It teaches that Jesus instructed his followers to forsake parents, siblings, friends etc as a necessity to follow him (Jesus).

Really. The story of taking the log out of one's own eye before attending to the splinter in one's brother's eye comes to mind.



Some believed that the events of the Old Testament ended in the New Testament, but God's provisions in the New Testament showed brutality and love for the sight of shed blood and his love for the smell of burnt bodies.

The moment he appeared on the scene, a massacre called the Annunciation Massacre of JESUS took place, and innocent children were killed ... children who were slaughtered without sin for the redemption of JESUS.
the verses of the sword found in the Bible. Christian missionaries blame Islam
We are going to recall them to their good memories and list THE verses of the sword found in the Holy Book, inspired, let us remember, by the Holy Spirit, who is one with JESUS du N.T. the God of Love.
When it comes to talking about the violence of the sacred texts, the hypocrisy is brought to a head by Christians. Their doctrine claims that their book is filled with Love, that their teachings are filled with Love, and that their divinity is Love. Now we will see the myth behind this design and remind them of the famous Christ saying:

Why do you see the straw that's in your brother's eye, and don't you see the beam that's in your eye?

(Matthew 7,3)


Here are the “10 commandments of biblical Jihad” that the Eternal - JESUS of the N.T. - laid in his infinite Love:

1) Prepare for war!
2) Cursed be he who takes his sword away from the Carnaaaaaaaaage!
3) Slay the enemy to the last: "Kill them wherever you find them"!
4) Do not spare women, old people, oxen, sheep and donkeys!
5) But take the Loot from time to time ...
6) Rape the little girls of enemies!
7) Don't forget to burn the city down after that!
8) The javelin verse!
9) The verse of the stone!
10) The verse of the ax, the harrows, the saws!



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The tolerance of Islam

The tolerance of Islam is another factor in the spread of Islam. The British historian Toynbee praises this tolerance towards the People of the Book after comparing it with the attitude of the Christians towards Muslims and Jews in their lands. (A Historian's Approach to Religion, p.246) T. Link attributes the spread of Islam to the credibility of its principles together with its tolerance, persuasion and other kinds of attractions. (A History of Religion) Makarios, Orthodox Patriorch of Antioch in the seventeenth century, compared the harsh treatment received by the Russians of the Orthodox Church at the hands of the Roman Catholic Poles with the tolerant attitude towards Orthodox Christians shown by the Ottoman Government and prayed for the Sultans. (T. Link, A History of Religion)

This is not the only example of preference by the followers of the religions for Muslim rule over that of their own co-religionists. The Orthodox Christians of Byzantium openly expressed their preference for the Ottoman turban in Istanbul to the hats of the Catholic cardinals. Elisee Reclus, the French traveler of the nineteenth century, wrote that the Muslim Turks allowed all the followers of different religions to perform their religious duties and rituals, and that the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Sultan were more free to live their own lives than the Christians who lived in the lands under the rule of any rival Christian sect. (Nouvelle Geographie Universelle, Vol. IX) Popescu Ciocanel pays tribute to the Muslim Turks by stating that it was luck for the Romanian people that they lived under the government of the Turks rather than the domination of the Russians and Austrians. Otherwise, he points out, "no trace of the Romanian nation would have remained." (La Crise de L'Orient)

How did Muslims behave towards the people of the conquered lands?

The Muslim's attitude towards the people of the conquered lands is quite clear in the instructions given by the rightly-guided Caliphs may Allaah be pleased with them:

Always keep fear of God in your mind; remember that you cannot afford to do anything without His grace. Do not forget that Islam is a mission of peace and love. Keep the Noble Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) before you as a model of bravery and piety. Do not destroy fruit-trees nor fertile fields in your paths. Be just, and spare the feelings of the vanquished. Respect all religious persons who live in hermitages or convents and spare their edifices. Do not kill civilians. Do not outrage the chastity of women and the honor of the conquered. Do not harm old people and children. Do not accept any gifts from the civil population of any place. Do not billet your soldiers or officers in the houses of civilians. Do not forget to perform your daily prayers. Fear God. Remember that death will inevitably come to everyone of you some time or other, even if you are thousands of miles away from a battle field; therefore be always ready to face death. (Andrew Miller, Church History)

A historical episode which Balazuri, a famous Muslim historian, tells about how pleased the native people were with their Muslim conquerors is of great significance:

When Heraclius massed his troops against the Muslims, and the Muslims heard that they were coming to meet them, they refunded the inhabitants of Hims the tribute they had taken from them, saying: "We are too busy to support and protect you. Take care of yourselves." But the people of Hims replied: "We like your rule and justice far better than the state of oppression and tyranny in which we were. The army of Heraclius we shall indeed, with your help, repulse from the city." The Jews rose and said: "We swear by the Torah, no governor of Heraclius shall enter the city of Hims unless we are first vanquished and exhausted." Saying this, they closed the gates of the city and guarded them. The inhabitants of other cities - Christians and Jews- that had been capitulated did the same. When, by God's help, the unbelievers were defeated and Muslims won, they opened the gates of their cities, went out with the singers and players of music, and paid the tribute. (Futuh al-Buldan)
Absolute rubbish! The Christians started attacking Islam from the First Crusade, and have not stopped. The Pope (Satan's rep) would not tolerate any competition, Christianity was losing ground, hence the relentless continuation of the crusades.

When the Moors Muslims Ruled Europe Documentary
The Bible has nothing to do with Islam. That is not what your thread concerns. Ramadan is another excuse to kill.
 

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Do car bombings stop during ramadan?

They probably offer big discounts on suicide vests for children at this time of year.

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What a sick, sick thing to say. Pathetic.

Reality can be harsh:


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The radical Islamist movement is not part of mainstream Islam. Think southern baptist on steroids in comparison to mainstream Christianity.

Is that the same with the treatment of women, gays, honor killings, terrorist attacks in the name of islam???

Isn't it true that sunnis and shites would be happy to kill each other off? Isn't there a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia presently on-going??

Man you are so full of shit.

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Yes, gays are brutally treated in many Arab countries. (In one of the Indonesian islands recently, two young gay men were brutally whipped,)

But it is necessary to remember a few things.

1. In Syria, for example, gays -- I have read -- were quietly tolerated so long as they stayed in the closet. (That was the situation before the Civil War at least.)

2. Christians in Europe & the U.S. until recently were also harsh in their treatment of gay people.

a. After World War II, the Allied forces freed all the concentration camp inmates-- EXCEPT men who had been sent there for violating Nazi anti-gay laws.

b. The Englishman who helped saved his country from Nazi invasion was discovered to be gay after the war. He was offered jail or chemical castration. He chose the latter. A few years later, he apparently committed suicide.

c. Here in the States, the police regularly entrapped thousands of gay men, resulting in many of them losing their jobs. New York City cops would even urge landlords to evict gay tenants.

3. Today many countries in Africa brutally treat gays. It is said that some Christian missionaries from the United States urge those countries to do so.

I think your heart is in the right place but to equate the treatment of gays in islamic countries with how they were treated in Western countries is naive. Even if we agree that past practices were wrong you can't explain why this is still the practice in islamic countries TODAY!

Care to venture an opinion on the treatment of women in islamic countries?

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You continue to shy away from discussing the outright disgusting treatment of gays by phony "Christian" cults right here in the USA by trying to turn the conversation toward treatment of LGBTs (and women) in foreign countries. Explain the behavior of such people as frankie graham and jeffress, the "Family Research Council," the "American Family Association." who pretend to be Christian and who operate right here in the good ole USA. Forget the cheap deflection and explain this trash.

Do Christians say mean things about LGBT’s sometimes? That’s awful. Let’s call the UN and get these human rights violations settled. First World Problems. Geez.

There are even "Christians" who say mean things about Christians who are LGBTs. They also say mean things about Christians who are black.

Bunch of meany heads.
 

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So, in Finland, where the sun does not set, do muslims starve to death during Ramadan?
 
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How to Fast in a Country Where the Sun Doesn’t Set
(a fatwa) says to correspond fasting to wither the closest Islamic country or with Mecca.
 

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Much of the false news about Muslims in the media is believed by ignorant people

Nobody really disputes the presence of the USA in Syrian, the real enemy in Syria are the Russians, Bashar and Iran.On the other hand, when the USA enters Iraq and Afghanistan, that is something else.And when all the West supports bloodthirsty tyrants, there too, big problem

Osama Bin LadenFormer US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said earlier that $ 8 billion was used to create the Taliban and wage proxy wars against Russia.

The United States does not want peace because it will not be able to sell weapons to win

in all Muslim countries anyone who follows the events and the analysis of specialists knows that in these countries foreign forces are involved; Iraq it was an American lie it was they who started the war and it turned out that the reason put forward was a pure lieLebanon is under several countries influencing in particular France ... Russia for Syria ... alland the weapons used are now known to have origins in non-Muslim countries

why don't they leave these countries alone? they say it is to defend the citizens but what is the result? it can be seen that these are lies and that the goal is economic or strategic interests .. or against Islam quite simply not to let Islamic governments set upforeign countries which have nothing to do with these countries except that they have interests and this under false reasons;

Europe has gone through bloody wars and has come to understand that unity is strength; Muslim countries are going through stages for a metamorphosis but foreign forces will not let this process go through they are afraidMuslim countries they live under tyrannical corrupt secular regimes supported by the secular West

.international mediaby their partial and erroneous bad faith. ""works to distance public opinion from Islam
These media did not use the term "Christian terrorism" after the attack on two mosques in New Zealand or "Buddhist terrorism" to refer to the brutal practice in Arakan (Myanmar).But in articles that mention anti-Muslim acts, never the term Islamophobia "


The West does not want Africa to rise up and take advantage of its enormous potential and enjoy peace. "Western countries are using all their capacities to achieve this, from inciting ethnic and religious differences to coups d'état and the outbreak of civil wars and sanctions.

"Therefore, many Muslims migrate to other countries after their country is destroyed because of the West, be it Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc.Many people in the West migrate to the East to work and earn moneyMuslims welcome themBecause Islam welcomes everyone

Although the Prophet was sent to the Arabs, the Prophet's message is universalBecause the prophet is the last of the prophetsIslam has also spread east and west20% of ArabsAnd 80% of non-Arab

countries in the world

It is now clear that Christianity is dying Islam grows faster despite all attempts to topple IslamIt is now clear who is weaker
There is no terrorism in Islamic countries . Terrorism is the western countries and the corrupt rulers in the eastern countries
Islam and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, is the true symbol of peace
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The tolerance of Islam



The tolerance of Islam is another factor in the spread of Islam. The British historian Toynbee praises this tolerance towards the People of the Book after comparing it with the attitude of the Christians towards Muslims and Jews in their lands. (A Historian's Approach to Religion, p.246) T. Link attributes the spread of Islam to the credibility of its principles together with its tolerance, persuasion and other kinds of attractions. (A History of Religion) Makarios, Orthodox Patriorch of Antioch in the seventeenth century, compared the harsh treatment received by the Russians of the Orthodox Church at the hands of the Roman Catholic Poles with the tolerant attitude towards Orthodox Christians shown by the Ottoman Government and prayed for the Sultans. (T. Link, A History of Religion)



This is not the only example of preference by the followers of the religions for Muslim rule over that of their own co-religionists. The Orthodox Christians of Byzantium openly expressed their preference for the Ottoman turban in Istanbul to the hats of the Catholic cardinals. Elisee Reclus, the French traveler of the nineteenth century, wrote that the Muslim Turks allowed all the followers of different religions to perform their religious duties and rituals, and that the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Sultan were more free to live their own lives than the Christians who lived in the lands under the rule of any rival Christian sect. (Nouvelle Geographie Universelle, Vol. IX) Popescu Ciocanel pays tribute to the Muslim Turks by stating that it was luck for the Romanian people that they lived under the government of the Turks rather than the domination of the Russians and Austrians. Otherwise, he points out, "no trace of the Romanian nation would have remained." (La Crise de L'Orient)



How did Muslims behave towards the people of the conquered lands?



The Muslim's attitude towards the people of the conquered lands is quite clear in the instructions given by the rightly-guided Caliphs may Allaah be pleased with them:



Always keep fear of God in your mind; remember that you cannot afford to do anything without His grace. Do not forget that Islam is a mission of peace and love. Keep the Noble Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) before you as a model of bravery and piety. Do not destroy fruit-trees nor fertile fields in your paths. Be just, and spare the feelings of the vanquished. Respect all religious persons who live in hermitages or convents and spare their edifices. Do not kill civilians. Do not outrage the chastity of women and the honor of the conquered. Do not harm old people and children. Do not accept any gifts from the civil population of any place. Do not billet your soldiers or officers in the houses of civilians. Do not forget to perform your daily prayers. Fear God. Remember that death will inevitably come to everyone of you some time or other, even if you are thousands of miles away from a battle field; therefore be always ready to face death. (Andrew Miller, Church History)



A historical episode which Balazuri, a famous Muslim historian, tells about how pleased the native people were with their Muslim conquerors is of great significance:



When Heraclius massed his troops against the Muslims, and the Muslims heard that they were coming to meet them, they refunded the inhabitants of Hims the tribute they had taken from them, saying: "We are too busy to support and protect you. Take care of yourselves." But the people of Hims replied: "We like your rule and justice far better than the state of oppression and tyranny in which we were. The army of Heraclius we shall indeed, with your help, repulse from the city." The Jews rose and said: "We swear by the Torah, no governor of Heraclius shall enter the city of Hims unless we are first vanquished and exhausted." Saying this, they closed the gates of the city and guarded them. The inhabitants of other cities - Christians and Jews- that had been capitulated did the same. When, by God's help, the unbelievers were defeated and Muslims won, they opened the gates of their cities, went out with the singers and players of music, and paid the tribute. (Futuh al-Buldan)

Absolute rubbish! The Christians started attacking Islam from the First Crusade, and have not stopped. The Pope (Satan's rep) would not tolerate any competition, Christianity was losing ground, hence the relentless continuation of the crusades.



Islam brought Europe out of the dark ages, thru trade with the east.


Islamic History of Europe
Islamic History Of Europe - BBC Documentary
An Islamic History of Europe - BBC Documentary - Veoh

Islam brought Europe out of the dark ages, thru trade with the east.


BS ^^^^ from the khat chewers
 

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How to Fast in a Country Where the Sun Doesn’t Set
(a fatwa) says to correspond fasting to wither the closest Islamic country or with Mecca.
Do the Muslims in Finland keep camels?
 

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Do car bombings stop during ramadan?

They probably offer big discounts on suicide vests for children at this time of year.

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What a sick, sick thing to say. Pathetic.
But so accurate

Not accurate at all. Muslims are fasting in Ramadan now. It's like Lent. Just this afternoon I was waiting at a bus stop and began talking with a Muslim woman who barely spoke any English. She said that she was from Afghanistan and that she and her child were safe here. All she had was a bus card to get her to a doctor's appointment, but it turned out that there was no money on it. I told the driver that I would pay for her, but he just waived her in. I gave her some extra bucks because I realized that she did not have the bus fare to get her back home. I don't know what will happen next, but I know that this woman was not concerned with suicide vests. She asked for my number. I did not think to get her's. I hope that she calls me. I can't speak Urdu, but I know a Pakistani who is fluent. He's a great guy, and he owes me one.
 

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Do car bombings stop during ramadan?

They probably offer big discounts on suicide vests for children at this time of year.

.

What a sick, sick thing to say. Pathetic.
But so accurate

Not accurate at all. Muslims are fasting in Ramadan now. It's like Lent. Just this afternoon I was waiting at a bus stop and began talking with a Muslim woman who barely spoke any English. She said that she was from Afghanistan and that she and her child were safe here. All she had was a bus card to get her to a doctor's appointment, but it turned out that there was no money on it. I told the driver that I would pay for her, but he just waived her in. I gave her some extra bucks because I realized that she did not have the bus fare to get her back home. I don't know what will happen next, but I know that this woman was not concerned with suicide vests. She asked for my number. I did not think to get her's. I hope that she calls me. I can't speak Urdu, but I know a Pakistani who is fluent. He's a great guy, and he owes me one.
The Islamic roots of European civilization and the construction of the 'European identity'


Western civilization was based on the sciences of Muslims and their civilization, for the Europeans at the beginning of the Renaissance transferred everything that fell under their hands from Islamic sciences and knowledge to their languages, and there were centers of civilized radiation such as Andalusia and Sicily, to which Europeans came to receive knowledge at the hands of Arab and Muslim scholars.



Islamic civilization was - according to the testimony of historians and researchers - the greatest civilization the world witnessed throughout the Middle Ages,

not to Europe alone, but to all of humanity because the Arabs who established a great and sprawling state that extended from the ocean to the Gulf were not like other peoples who They flowed from the middle of Asia in the Middle Ages to demolish and destroy, but the Arabs possessed security and stability wherever they went, as they spread principles and ideals such as tolerance, brotherhood and equality.













Quote:

Historian Bettany Hughes presents a picture of Islamic civilization in Spain and the impact that this civilization had on the development of modern Europe. Hughes also indicates how the 'European identity' was artificially constructed by the Islamic origin of the acquired civilization "ethnically cleanse", to erase.



This false, ethnically purified image of Europe is unfortunately currently used for the Muslims to deny any contribution to European civilization and even enemies of civilization to label them.









Few in Europe today Realize how much they owe to Muslim Spain for that great dawn of enlightenment called the Renaissance. Many outstanding philosophers, mathematicians, scientists, astronomers and physicians from Andalusia are but obliterated memories for Europe, the forlorn buried in graveyards or oblivion.



History of the Moorish Empire in Europe



Infrastructure

The Andalusia in the 10th century, tells mp Scott, was crossed in all directions by awesome aqueducts. Cordoba was a city of fountains, roads were miles long brightly lit, paved, well maintained and regularly visited by security patrols.



For comparison: in London there were no paved streets until the 14th century, at night the city was plunged into blackness. It took until the reign of Charles II (in the 17th century) that even poorly active street lighting was installed in London.



Demography

On the death of Elizabeth England had about 4 million inhabitants. The population of Islamic Spain may have been over 30 million. No less six centuries earlier In London in 1700, was the most populous city in Christian Europe, only half the size of Cordoba in the year 900, and Almeria and Seville each had a population as large as the British capital 800 years later. (...)



Hygiene

In the middle of the 10th century there were 900 public baths built in the capital of Moorish Spain, in the 18th century there were not even so much in all the countries of Christian Europe together. (...) The fatal effects of the plague are convincing evidence of the appalling hygienic conditions that prevailed everywhere. The water was removed from the polluted river or from sources that stank of dirt. (...)



Science

Nothing illustrates the contrast in terms of science better than the importance attached to books. Scott let us know that the library Mostandir, the sultan of Egypt, 800 thousand books housed. The library of Tripoli contained 200 thousand. When Baghdad was destroyed by the Mongols in the 13th century, books were thrown into the Tigris covered the entire river, and colored water of the black ink, while an even larger share went up in flames. The caliphate of Spain had 70 public book collections, and alone the large library of Al-Hakam II contained 600 thousand books. Many private collections were correspondingly large, that of Ibn al-Mathran, the personal physician to Saladin, contained 10 thousand manuscripts.



Four centuries later, there were only books in Christian Europe, except those were kept in monasteries. The royal library of France contained 900 books, of which two-thirds was theological content. (...)



Education

In Muslim countries it was difficult to even come who could not read and write. Against a farmer In the same time allowed many senior people in Europe not say this of himself.

I see, nothing about the Bombathon. No one believes your bullshit. Your own holy texts tell the truth about Islam, not you.

what religion are you? Do you have one?
 

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Do car bombings stop during ramadan?

They probably offer big discounts on suicide vests for children at this time of year.

.

What a sick, sick thing to say. Pathetic.
But so accurate

Not accurate at all. Muslims are fasting in Ramadan now. It's like Lent. Just this afternoon I was waiting at a bus stop and began talking with a Muslim woman who barely spoke any English. She said that she was from Afghanistan and that she and her child were safe here. All she had was a bus card to get her to a doctor's appointment, but it turned out that there was no money on it. I told the driver that I would pay for her, but he just waived her in. I gave her some extra bucks because I realized that she did not have the bus fare to get her back home. I don't know what will happen next, but I know that this woman was not concerned with suicide vests. She asked for my number. I did not think to get her's. I hope that she calls me. I can't speak Urdu, but I know a Pakistani who is fluent. He's a great guy, and he owes me one.
The Islamic roots of European civilization and the construction of the 'European identity'


Western civilization was based on the sciences of Muslims and their civilization, for the Europeans at the beginning of the Renaissance transferred everything that fell under their hands from Islamic sciences and knowledge to their languages, and there were centers of civilized radiation such as Andalusia and Sicily, to which Europeans came to receive knowledge at the hands of Arab and Muslim scholars.



Islamic civilization was - according to the testimony of historians and researchers - the greatest civilization the world witnessed throughout the Middle Ages,

not to Europe alone, but to all of humanity because the Arabs who established a great and sprawling state that extended from the ocean to the Gulf were not like other peoples who They flowed from the middle of Asia in the Middle Ages to demolish and destroy, but the Arabs possessed security and stability wherever they went, as they spread principles and ideals such as tolerance, brotherhood and equality.













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Historian Bettany Hughes presents a picture of Islamic civilization in Spain and the impact that this civilization had on the development of modern Europe. Hughes also indicates how the 'European identity' was artificially constructed by the Islamic origin of the acquired civilization "ethnically cleanse", to erase.



This false, ethnically purified image of Europe is unfortunately currently used for the Muslims to deny any contribution to European civilization and even enemies of civilization to label them.









Few in Europe today Realize how much they owe to Muslim Spain for that great dawn of enlightenment called the Renaissance. Many outstanding philosophers, mathematicians, scientists, astronomers and physicians from Andalusia are but obliterated memories for Europe, the forlorn buried in graveyards or oblivion.



History of the Moorish Empire in Europe



Infrastructure

The Andalusia in the 10th century, tells mp Scott, was crossed in all directions by awesome aqueducts. Cordoba was a city of fountains, roads were miles long brightly lit, paved, well maintained and regularly visited by security patrols.



For comparison: in London there were no paved streets until the 14th century, at night the city was plunged into blackness. It took until the reign of Charles II (in the 17th century) that even poorly active street lighting was installed in London.



Demography

On the death of Elizabeth England had about 4 million inhabitants. The population of Islamic Spain may have been over 30 million. No less six centuries earlier In London in 1700, was the most populous city in Christian Europe, only half the size of Cordoba in the year 900, and Almeria and Seville each had a population as large as the British capital 800 years later. (...)



Hygiene

In the middle of the 10th century there were 900 public baths built in the capital of Moorish Spain, in the 18th century there were not even so much in all the countries of Christian Europe together. (...) The fatal effects of the plague are convincing evidence of the appalling hygienic conditions that prevailed everywhere. The water was removed from the polluted river or from sources that stank of dirt. (...)



Science

Nothing illustrates the contrast in terms of science better than the importance attached to books. Scott let us know that the library Mostandir, the sultan of Egypt, 800 thousand books housed. The library of Tripoli contained 200 thousand. When Baghdad was destroyed by the Mongols in the 13th century, books were thrown into the Tigris covered the entire river, and colored water of the black ink, while an even larger share went up in flames. The caliphate of Spain had 70 public book collections, and alone the large library of Al-Hakam II contained 600 thousand books. Many private collections were correspondingly large, that of Ibn al-Mathran, the personal physician to Saladin, contained 10 thousand manuscripts.



Four centuries later, there were only books in Christian Europe, except those were kept in monasteries. The royal library of France contained 900 books, of which two-thirds was theological content. (...)



Education

In Muslim countries it was difficult to even come who could not read and write. Against a farmer In the same time allowed many senior people in Europe not say this of himself.

I see, nothing about the Bombathon. No one believes your bullshit. Your own holy texts tell the truth about Islam, not you.

what religion are you? Do you have one?
Irrelevant.
 

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There is no islamic science, or technology, and certainly VERY little literacy thruout its ~ 1400 span. There is and was BLOODY CONQUEST of lands of advanced cultures---from the Nile Valley, to Mesopotamia and
the Indus Valley. TAKING OVER the accomplishments of OTHERS
 

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Do car bombings stop during ramadan?

They probably offer big discounts on suicide vests for children at this time of year.

.

What a sick, sick thing to say. Pathetic.
But so accurate

Not accurate at all. Muslims are fasting in Ramadan now. It's like Lent. Just this afternoon I was waiting at a bus stop and began talking with a Muslim woman who barely spoke any English. She said that she was from Afghanistan and that she and her child were safe here. All she had was a bus card to get her to a doctor's appointment, but it turned out that there was no money on it. I told the driver that I would pay for her, but he just waived her in. I gave her some extra bucks because I realized that she did not have the bus fare to get her back home. I don't know what will happen next, but I know that this woman was not concerned with suicide vests. She asked for my number. I did not think to get her's. I hope that she calls me. I can't speak Urdu, but I know a Pakistani who is fluent. He's a great guy, and he owes me one.
She must have been hot in her niqab. You should have told her that you have 100 camels, she would have been very impressed. Her father would have wanted to sell her to you for some.
 

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There is no islamic science, or technology, and certainly VERY little literacy thruout its ~ 1400 span. There is and was BLOODY CONQUEST of lands of advanced cultures---from the Nile Valley, to Mesopotamia and
the Indus Valley. TAKING OVER the accomplishments of OTHERS


In Muslim Spain Jews had their own guilds or joined Muslim ones... and Muslims worked very closely with Jewish scribes to translate Greek texts into Hebrew, Arabic and Latin.

Trade was the biggest influence in the spread of Islam.
 

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There is no islamic science, or technology, and certainly VERY little literacy thruout its ~ 1400 span. There is and was BLOODY CONQUEST of lands of advanced cultures---from the Nile Valley, to Mesopotamia and
the Indus Valley. TAKING OVER the accomplishments of OTHERS


In Muslim Spain Jews had their own guilds or joined Muslim ones... and Muslims worked very closely with Jewish scribes to translate Greek texts into Hebrew, Arabic and Latin.

Trade was the biggest influence in the spread of Islam.

you are a bit delusional re "muslims worked .....
closely with Jewish scribes to translate GREEK texts
into Hebrew, Arabic and Latin" got a reasonable
link that names NAMES ? I have a burning desire to
know the names of muslims who translated Greek texts into Hebrew . There were, certainly, lots of Greek texts ALREADY translated into Hebrew and Aramaic.
Jewish writers (eg--Maimonides) had himself and others translate his own works----to wit, jews. The
OPPRESSION of Shariah was the biggest influence in
the spread of islam
 

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There is no islamic science, or technology, and certainly VERY little literacy thruout its ~ 1400 span. There is and was BLOODY CONQUEST of lands of advanced cultures---from the Nile Valley, to Mesopotamia and
the Indus Valley. TAKING OVER the accomplishments of OTHERS


In Muslim Spain Jews had their own guilds or joined Muslim ones... and Muslims worked very closely with Jewish scribes to translate Greek texts into Hebrew, Arabic and Latin.

Trade was the biggest influence in the spread of Islam.

you are a bit delusional re "muslims worked .....
closely with Jewish scribes to translate GREEK texts
into Hebrew, Arabic and Latin" got a reasonable
link that names NAMES ? I have a burning desire to
know the names of muslims who translated Greek texts into Hebrew . There were, certainly, lots of Greek texts ALREADY translated into Hebrew and Aramaic.
Jewish writers (eg--Maimonides) had himself and others translate his own works----to wit, jews. The
OPPRESSION of Shariah was the biggest influence in
the spread of islam

Toledo School of Translators - Wikipedia
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The Toledo School of Translators (Spanish: Escuela de Traductores de Toledo) is the group of scholars who worked together in the city of Toledo during the 12th and 13th centuries, to translate many of the philosophical and scientific works from Classical Arabic.

The School went through two distinct periods separated by a transitional phase. The first was led by Archbishop Raymond of Toledo in the 12th century, who promoted the translation of philosophical and re…
 

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Do car bombings stop during ramadan?

They probably offer big discounts on suicide vests for children at this time of year.

.

What a sick, sick thing to say. Pathetic.
But so accurate

Not accurate at all. Muslims are fasting in Ramadan now. It's like Lent. Just this afternoon I was waiting at a bus stop and began talking with a Muslim woman who barely spoke any English. She said that she was from Afghanistan and that she and her child were safe here. All she had was a bus card to get her to a doctor's appointment, but it turned out that there was no money on it. I told the driver that I would pay for her, but he just waived her in. I gave her some extra bucks because I realized that she did not have the bus fare to get her back home. I don't know what will happen next, but I know that this woman was not concerned with suicide vests. She asked for my number. I did not think to get her's. I hope that she calls me. I can't speak Urdu, but I know a Pakistani who is fluent. He's a great guy, and he owes me one.
She must have been hot in her niqab. You should have told her that you have 100 camels, she would have been very impressed. Her father would have wanted to sell her to you for some.

You are a very sick individual, and grossly ignorant. This woman was wearing a mask, as I was., but she was wearing a loose headscarf and Afghan-style clothing. This woman was older, and obviously has fled Afghanistan and the woman-hating Taliban. Those younger Muslim women around here who choose to wear the hijab many times pair it with western-style clothing; the younger wear pants or jeans, sweaters and sneakers. I've seen only one or two people wearing niqabs, and they were in the black robes of the Saudis, probably embassy people. A lot of Muslim women don't choose to wear the hijab at all. And funny thing. Ethiopians come from one of the oldest Christian countries in the world, yet it is not uncommon to see an Ethiopian woman, usually older, wear a white scarf.

I once spent several weeks in Turkey because my aunt/Godmother was USAF and stationed there. Nobody wore a niqab, dressed in black, or dealt in camels. The niqab and black robes are Saudi cultural customs. We did see one camel train out in the hinterland, which caused great hilarity. People from remote village regions marry the dominant religion with their primitive cultural customs. You can find the same phenomenon in Arkansas or Texas, just with the Christian religion instead of the Muslim religion. What do the people in your village do?
 

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