The modern woman has a career and children, all without the help of any man...

[bodecea]

You as a woman don't put your life on the line. Strong women means nothing. This system will end because men will not listen at some point.

Now that's some funny stuff, especially considering my 21 years in the Navy as an Aviator....putting my life on the line every time I went up.

You sound very very very very very very very very insecure....

Thank you for your service

Ask about her service while in violation of the UCMJ for years.

???

Tory's being silly.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

,,,the modern man remains boy-like, perpetually playing video games and hopping from woman to woman but never settling down.

This is the world liberal Democrats have created.

I'm sorry....but what is the responsibility of the Democrats when "the modern man" refuses to grow up when women are self-sufficient?

Sounds like you've got a real problem becoming a MAN on your own and taking responsibility like a MAN.

How does you wife feel about that?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Now that's some funny stuff, especially considering my 21 years in the Navy as an Aviator....putting my life on the line every time I went up.

You sound very very very very very very very very insecure....

Thank you for your service

Ask about her service while in violation of the UCMJ for years.

???

Tory's being silly.

Not being silly, just honest. A character flaw which you apparently do not share.

 

[22lcidw]

Demanding equality doesn't make it so. In your example, if she were equal; they'd have fought to a draw. Equality exists only in mathematics.

Because upper body strength makes the man superior in all ways, huh? The ability to beat someone up is the ultimate show of superiority?

If a woman is intelligent, educated and ambitious, some high school dropout can beat her up and its her fault for not being able to fight?

No. It’s her fault for refusing the help of a man who is willing to help. I am a father of two girls. If a man they trust offers to walk them to their car they should
Accept and not state they are independent and all
That BS. Bring back chivalry.

So...you HAVE to accept help from someone? How come guys keep turning my help down? What's wrong with them? Their fault, I guess.

You as a woman don't put your life on the line. Strong women means nothing. This system will end because men will not listen at some point.

Now that's some funny stuff, especially considering my 21 years in the Navy as an Aviator....putting my life on the line every time I went up.

You sound very very very very very very very very insecure....

I don't believe you. I think they changed the specs to get you in. I worked to many jobs that the same was done. Lowering the standards for stylish extreme feminist agendas. I know that more and more males in both the military and civilian dangerous jobs are trying to move to work with people they can trust. Knowing that when their life is on the line to death they can count on being backed up by real comraderie. If you feel I am wrong then maybe the quotas need to be changed to reflect reality and not hire people who are not as good as others by force of law. Then the questions woud be much fewer. I have seen guys die and seen guys dies by longevity of working in environment. Wither way, women have destroyed men just for perception. And the payback will never be forgotten from those affected. The Asians are laughing at us.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So demanding that she is equal gets her beaten up? And that is her fault?

Demanding equality doesn't make it so. In your example, if she were equal; they'd have fought to a draw. Equality exists only in mathematics.

Because upper body strength makes the man superior in all ways, huh? The ability to beat someone up is the ultimate show of superiority?

If a woman is intelligent, educated and ambitious, some high school dropout can beat her up and its her fault for not being able to fight?

No. It’s her fault for refusing the help of a man who is willing to help. I am a father of two girls. If a man they trust offers to walk them to their car they should
Accept and not state they are independent and all
That BS. Bring back chivalry.

So...you HAVE to accept help from someone? How come guys keep turning my help down? What's wrong with them? Their fault, I guess.

Goes against human nature...not the way we are wired as a species. Been that way from the start. Sure you can point out Amazon women and the Island of Lesbos. Where the **** are those societies now? Sure there are some primitive societies in the deep rain forest somewhere with role reversal. But that’s why they are where they are...wiping their asses with a banana leaf.

You are talking to someone who believes going against human nature is her way of life.

 

[Disir]

For a select group of people. Yep, girls who were pregnant still went to the country to visit relatives. Whole lot of stuff you are ignoring.

Select group? Oh...you mean the vast majority of Americans. I see. Not supposed to get pregnant outside marriage.

Again. Dichotomy. Not supposed to do a lot of things. I'll be sure to codify that as soon as I have completed my takeover of the universe. Here is the reality. There were just as many shiftless men in the 1950s as there were in the 1910s etc.

Here is the really fun part. Women that are further down the socioeconomic ladder have a limited pool of men to partner with. So, at the bottom we have mentally ill men, felons, sex offenders, ongoing addictions, intellectually disabled men, etc. and so on. They are just as susceptible today as they were 60-100 years ago to the whole concept of a knight in shining armor and the fairy tale romance. You still have a very large percentage of young girls that drop out of high school and want to be stay at home mothers and wives. That is what they want to do.

The "modern woman" has a career and children today for the same damn reason that they had children and a career 100 years ago without a man. Rent and food. The number of women that make a "lifestyle choice" are few and are usually independently wealthy or financially stable in established careers.

So your a lesbian. That’s fine.

I'm heterosexual.

Jesus Jumped-Up Christ...that poor bastard. So what’s that like? After he gets done cleaning toilets he gets to make supper...listening to how your day went out shopping with the girls and how you all agreed that you hate Susie in the Personal Department? Then you explain/undercut his plans to go fishing next weekend so you can all go to your relatives house for a cookout. Gee, If he’s really nice I guess he gets a hand job. How dare he would think he could ever be on top. That’s not for a professional woman like you. The ******* guy probably begs his friends to shoot him when he’s mowing the lawn to take him out of his misery.

My now ex husband was in a motorcycle accident and it took off that whole forehead section. He had a really severe brain injury that impacted the area that deals with both time and consequences. I knew **** all about brain injuries when we married. He devolved. My son and I left with a 6 police car escort. I didn't remarry because I didn't want there to be any confusion for my kid. I have seen way too many women marry to obtain financial support and then choose the relationship over their kids. I made sure that my son was available for that relationship. He continued to devolve and now has stage 4 liver disease from drinking. His sister drank daily and was one of those rare people that when she stopped had a psychotic break and became homicidal and suicidal. She blew her brains out after shooting her ex. So, don't think I didn't have a couple rounds of holy crap and what if going on there after that was dealt with.

I work with offenders (violent/sexual/other), victims, mentally ill, homeless,addicts, and their children-many of them have severe disabilities and have suffered through extreme trauma. Heinous. I haven't seen a 40 hour week in over 3 1/2 years. Hell, I hadn't seen a 40 hour work week in the 10 years prior.

I'm a big advocate of father's being present.

When I shop. it's for the people that need stuff. I'm far from perfect. In my spare time, I read mostly history. I also do genealogy for close friends. Or did some 4 years ago. I pretend we have conversations on this forum. I mow my lawn. I hired a guy to mow my lawn but he is in jail now.. So, now I'm back to mowing my lawn. Because it needs to be done. That's how life works.

I didn't owe you that. Don't be a dick.

 

[SweetSue92]

Bullshit. United States roared after WW2.

Yeah, if you were a white male the 1950s were great. For independent women and people of color, not so much.

Better than the 40s, or 30s.

Which were better than the 1870s, but it still wasn't great for those groups.

1. It was great for them, relative to the last 2 decades, just like for straight white males.

2. Why the need to deny any past good times?

I am not denying the 1950s were good for some. But for others, it was not the same. In 1955 Rosa Parks was arrested for not giving up her seat on a bus to a white man. No first come first serve. No men giving up a seat for a black women. He got on the bus and demanded she give him her seat.

Jim Crow and segregation was awful, but that was also a time when most black families were intact. Meaning mom and dad were married and most black children were living with their biological parents. There is no doubt about this: children do BEST when raised by their married, biological parents. Regardless of race.

So now we have no more segregation but we have the decimation of married parents in the home. Which is its own kind of trauma.

 

[SweetSue92]

Select group? Oh...you mean the vast majority of Americans. I see. Not supposed to get pregnant outside marriage.

Again. Dichotomy. Not supposed to do a lot of things. I'll be sure to codify that as soon as I have completed my takeover of the universe. Here is the reality. There were just as many shiftless men in the 1950s as there were in the 1910s etc.

Here is the really fun part. Women that are further down the socioeconomic ladder have a limited pool of men to partner with. So, at the bottom we have mentally ill men, felons, sex offenders, ongoing addictions, intellectually disabled men, etc. and so on. They are just as susceptible today as they were 60-100 years ago to the whole concept of a knight in shining armor and the fairy tale romance. You still have a very large percentage of young girls that drop out of high school and want to be stay at home mothers and wives. That is what they want to do.

The "modern woman" has a career and children today for the same damn reason that they had children and a career 100 years ago without a man. Rent and food. The number of women that make a "lifestyle choice" are few and are usually independently wealthy or financially stable in established careers.

So your a lesbian. That’s fine.

I'm heterosexual.

Jesus Jumped-Up Christ...that poor bastard. So what’s that like? After he gets done cleaning toilets he gets to make supper...listening to how your day went out shopping with the girls and how you all agreed that you hate Susie in the Personal Department? Then you explain/undercut his plans to go fishing next weekend so you can all go to your relatives house for a cookout. Gee, If he’s really nice I guess he gets a hand job. How dare he would think he could ever be on top. That’s not for a professional woman like you. The ******* guy probably begs his friends to shoot him when he’s mowing the lawn to take him out of his misery.

My now ex husband was in a motorcycle accident and it took off that whole forehead section. He had a really severe brain injury that impacted the area that deals with both time and consequences. I knew **** all about brain injuries when we married. He devolved. My son and I left with a 6 police car escort. I didn't remarry because I didn't want there to be any confusion for my kid. I have seen way too many women marry to obtain financial support and then choose the relationship over their kids. I made sure that my son was available for that relationship. He continued to devolve and now has stage 4 liver disease from drinking. His sister drank daily and was one of those rare people that when she stopped had a psychotic break and became homicidal and suicidal. She blew her brains out after shooting her ex. So, don't think I didn't have a couple rounds of holy crap and what if going on there after that was dealt with.

I work with offenders (violent/sexual/other), victims, mentally ill, homeless,addicts, and their children-many of them have severe disabilities and have suffered through extreme trauma. Heinous. I haven't seen a 40 hour week in over 3 1/2 years. Hell, I hadn't seen a 40 hour work week in the 10 years prior.

I'm a big advocate of father's being present.

When I shop. it's for the people that need stuff. I'm far from perfect. In my spare time, I read mostly history. I also do genealogy for close friends. Or did some 4 years ago. I pretend we have conversations on this forum. I mow my lawn. I hired a guy to mow my lawn but he is in jail now.. So, now I'm back to mowing my lawn. Because it needs to be done. That's how life works.

I didn't owe you that. Don't be a dick.

Wow, I'm so sorry you were dealt that especially with your ex-husband. The work you do is difficult. FWIW you're one of my favorite posters here, I do think you add a lot! I hope you find someone else to mow your yard. Every bit helps!

 

[SweetSue92]

And? If you think all men are vastly superior to women, you either haven't met a lot of idiot men or haven't met a lot of sharp women. Both are out there in good numbers.

I said neither. You’re the one trying to saddle both with a metric. I simply accept reality, and recognize that they are different. As such, they can never be “equal”.

There is as much difference between individuals.

The main thing is that the gov't must give each the same opportunities and require that in our society.

No. "Must" is actually just a personal desire, and beholden only to current written law, and ones location. There is no biological imperative that enforces this "must".

It has nothing to do with biological imperative. And yes, it must. That is not a personal desire, imho, but should be a requirement

You contradicted yourself at the word "should"...
And biological imperative is both inescapable, and self correcting. Always has been; and for as long as life itself continues to exist, always will be.

So have you told your wife you're gonna leave her as soon as she hits perimenopause? Cause you were the swiftie who said the "Biological imperative" is that men spread their seed everywhere. Right? Or what higher moral values are gonna keep you from doing that?

 

[SweetSue92]

These threads are always amusing, particularly the right-wing guys' depictions of imaginary conversations they have had with imaginary women. Most people who have actually reached emotional maturity do not act according to their idiotic narrative. Enough with the " strawman" nonsense.

Upper-body strength is not determinative of whether a person is "entitled" to equality in society. It's not the only "talent" in the world. All people are entitled to equal status.

It is pathetic that some of you are making statements against democracy and the concept of government by the people.

This from the poster who routinely makes up cartoon people and scenarios in her head and acts out entire plays with them.

"Frankie", anyone?

 

[SweetSue92]

For a select group of people. Yep, girls who were pregnant still went to the country to visit relatives. Whole lot of stuff you are ignoring.

Yes, things were a lot closer to idyllic if you were White and straight, but every American benefited from the post-WWII boom.

That women who put out & got pregnant "went to the country to visit relatives" instead of unabashedly having children out of wedlock or unashamedly having the children's lives terminated was, overall, a good thing sociologically.

It is pretty insulting the way liberals, assume that anyone they disagree with, knows nothing of nuance.


Making a statement about "the good old days" does not imply that a person is unaware that "good" does not mean "perfect" or "utopia".

It's not insulting. People don't change. Technology changes.

No, your point wasn't about technology, but about your assumption that someone else, was completely lacking in nuance or understanding of complexity.

That was you being insulting.
And what is with this need to tear down the past like you are doing?

The OP indicated that all of those problems are the result of Democrats. There is not one speck of nuance or understanding of complexity indicated in that diatribe. The Democratic Party sucks, no doubt about it, but don't pretend that all of the woes are because of them. The issues that he pretends to want to discuss are repetitive because people don't change, technology changes. There is not one time period in history that you do not run into the same crap.

The 1950s are referred to as a dichotomy. Insulting? Too bad.

You are absolutely right that people do not change. But I would say the CULTURE changes--what is acceptable changes. And that's important--vitally important.

 

[SweetSue92]

What is glaringly missing from this discussion is that women, like men, have interests outside of family and raising children. A man can still raise a family while pursuing his interests in medicine, astrophysics, the law, engineering, politics, the gamut of whatever they are interested in and floats their boat, while women are attacked for having family and pursuing their individual interests at the same time. Both men and women are entitled to the half-and-half between being family people and pursuing their own interests.

Who thinks they don’t? It’s 2019...what the ****! This is the result of “women’s studies “ indoctrination classes. ITS 2019...WHY ARE YOU WRITING LIKE ITS 1919? Do you have any understanding of what the real world is like?

I don't know, she goes on these tangents where she listens to herself talk in her own head or something. Having nothing to do what anyone is saying. It's weird.

 

[SweetSue92]

,,,the modern man remains boy-like, perpetually playing video games and hopping from woman to woman but never settling down.

This is the world liberal Democrats have created.

It’s why even liberal suburban women like guys in jeans and cowboy boots or men in uniform. Not the cafe latte drinking dorks they find at Starbucks. When I was in the Corps scoring with these chicks was not hard. It’s what they were looking for, a one night stand with a real man. They knew they could marry a dork and live in the burbs someday.

No idiot, she knew government would take care of her If she had a soldiers baby. She was hoping you got killed or got drunk & killed yourself!

No, she was hoping to finally have some great sex and an orgasm.

Well, that was not a happy ending......

Sex is not supposed to have a “happy ending?” What kind of bullshit is that? You had a “happy ending” when you were 7 and finished the merry-go-round ride. When you you and your partner get done you should feel satisfied, fulfilled, and tired.

She's saying you could not provide that. It's like a lesbian dig or something, I don't know. I just roll my eyes.

 

[Vastator]

I said neither. You’re the one trying to saddle both with a metric. I simply accept reality, and recognize that they are different. As such, they can never be “equal”.

There is as much difference between individuals.

The main thing is that the gov't must give each the same opportunities and require that in our society.

No. "Must" is actually just a personal desire, and beholden only to current written law, and ones location. There is no biological imperative that enforces this "must".

It has nothing to do with biological imperative. And yes, it must. That is not a personal desire, imho, but should be a requirement

You contradicted yourself at the word "should"...
And biological imperative is both inescapable, and self correcting. Always has been; and for as long as life itself continues to exist, always will be.

So have you told your wife you're gonna leave her as soon as she hits perimenopause? Cause you were the swiftie who said the "Biological imperative" is that men spread their seed everywhere. Right? Or what higher moral values are gonna keep you from doing that?

More lying from good ole “SweetSue”. Quite the virtuous one aren’t you? Is this pattern of behavior part of your ethics, or just habitual? Because you do it with alarming regularity.

Reread the thread you are referencing. The one where you were dismissed for lying, and now wish to continue on here. Only this time read what I actually wrote. Not what you would imagine to hear.

Unlike you, and many you’re used to dealing with; I say exactly what I mean, and mean exactly what I say. You need not trouble yourself with attempts at interpretation.

But to recap for the cheap seats... It is every living organisms biological imperative to reproduce.

As you your distorted reference of spreading seed everywhere; that was in regard to successful behavior that increase the chances of a mans line continuing into the future. Your dislike of that reality doesn’t change the permanence of it.

 

[Lysistrata]

What is glaringly missing from this discussion is that women, like men, have interests outside of family and raising children. A man can still raise a family while pursuing his interests in medicine, astrophysics, the law, engineering, politics, the gamut of whatever they are interested in and floats their boat, while women are attacked for having family and pursuing their individual interests at the same time. Both men and women are entitled to the half-and-half between being family people and pursuing their own interests.

Who thinks they don’t? It’s 2019...what the ****! This is the result of “women’s studies “ indoctrination classes. ITS 2019...WHY ARE YOU WRITING LIKE ITS 1919? Do you have any understanding of what the real world is like?

I have never taken any "women's studies" course. My courses were in history, political science, and law. I went to school before there was such a thing as "women's studies." I must point out that how women (over half of the population) got the vote was never mentioned during my schooling. My courses were incomplete. Why was this not taught to us? Half of the population attaining the blessings of democracy is not an important issue? The history of voting rights, not only of women, but also of African-Americans, is incredibly important in the history of our country and democracy. The "women's studies" courses are only meant to fill in the blanks left in the traditional teaching of history.

I do not mean to erase the lives of female people who already lived on this continent and I respect them, such as the women of the Iroquois Confederacy, but do you actually think that European (white) men arrived alone, no women among them, to establish the country you claim?

 

[Bush92]

What is glaringly missing from this discussion is that women, like men, have interests outside of family and raising children. A man can still raise a family while pursuing his interests in medicine, astrophysics, the law, engineering, politics, the gamut of whatever they are interested in and floats their boat, while women are attacked for having family and pursuing their individual interests at the same time. Both men and women are entitled to the half-and-half between being family people and pursuing their own interests.

Who thinks they don’t? It’s 2019...what the ****! This is the result of “women’s studies “ indoctrination classes. ITS 2019...WHY ARE YOU WRITING LIKE ITS 1919? Do you have any understanding of what the real world is like?

I don't know, she goes on these tangents where she listens to herself talk in her own head or something. Having nothing to do what anyone is saying. It's weird.

Exactly. She acts like the last 70 years of social change never happened. I think it goes too far when I’m called “sexist” if I get the door for a lady or stand when she arrives and sits for the first time at dinner table when we’re out at a restaurant. Old school I guess. Most of these traditions go back to a man’s respect for his mother.

 

[Bush92]

What is glaringly missing from this discussion is that women, like men, have interests outside of family and raising children. A man can still raise a family while pursuing his interests in medicine, astrophysics, the law, engineering, politics, the gamut of whatever they are interested in and floats their boat, while women are attacked for having family and pursuing their individual interests at the same time. Both men and women are entitled to the half-and-half between being family people and pursuing their own interests.

Who thinks they don’t? It’s 2019...what the ****! This is the result of “women’s studies “ indoctrination classes. ITS 2019...WHY ARE YOU WRITING LIKE ITS 1919? Do you have any understanding of what the real world is like?

I have never taken any "women's studies" course. My courses were in history, political science, and law. I went to school before there was such a thing as "women's studies." I must point out that how women (over half of the population) got the vote was never mentioned during my schooling. My courses were incomplete. Why was this not taught to us? Half of the population attaining the blessings of democracy is not an important issue? The history of voting rights, not only of women, but also of African-Americans, is incredibly important in the history of our country and democracy. The "women's studies" courses are only meant to fill in the blanks left in the traditional teaching of history.

I do not mean to erase the lives of female people who already lived on this continent and I respect them, such as the women of the Iroquois Confederacy, but do you actually think that European (white) men arrived alone, no women among them, to establish the country you claim?

I cover the Iroquois Confederacy and role of women within it during my first unit of study. In fact getting ready to go there in about 72 hours. Also trace continuity through time of women in our history from Era of Republican Motherhood all the way to Title IX.

 

[SweetSue92]

There is as much difference between individuals.

The main thing is that the gov't must give each the same opportunities and require that in our society.

No. "Must" is actually just a personal desire, and beholden only to current written law, and ones location. There is no biological imperative that enforces this "must".

It has nothing to do with biological imperative. And yes, it must. That is not a personal desire, imho, but should be a requirement

You contradicted yourself at the word "should"...
And biological imperative is both inescapable, and self correcting. Always has been; and for as long as life itself continues to exist, always will be.

So have you told your wife you're gonna leave her as soon as she hits perimenopause? Cause you were the swiftie who said the "Biological imperative" is that men spread their seed everywhere. Right? Or what higher moral values are gonna keep you from doing that?

More lying from good ole “SweetSue”. Quite the virtuous one aren’t you? Is this pattern of behavior part of your ethics, or just habitual? Because you do it with alarming regularity.

Reread the thread you are referencing. The one where you were dismissed for lying, and now wish to continue on here. Only this time read what I actually wrote. Not what you would imagine to hear.

Unlike you, and many you’re used to dealing with; I say exactly what I mean, and mean exactly what I say. You need not trouble yourself with attempts at interpretation.

But to recap for the cheap seats... It is every living organisms biological imperative to reproduce.

As you your distorted reference of spreading seed everywhere; that was in regard to successful behavior that increase the chances of a mans line continuing into the future. Your dislike of that reality doesn’t change the permanence of it.

I'm not lying and your fluffing on about it is not going to obfuscate what you said. You said men are biologically wired to impregnate as many women as possible, correct? To settle down with the woman JUST long enough to ensure the baby is okay, then go on to impregnate more. You know this is an accurate representation of what you said. Since you have a worldview like quicksand, you don't like it when I try to nail yours down. It's ethics when you want it to be, and biology when you want it to be.

That's why you're calling me a liar.

 

[Lysistrata]

What is glaringly missing from this discussion is that women, like men, have interests outside of family and raising children. A man can still raise a family while pursuing his interests in medicine, astrophysics, the law, engineering, politics, the gamut of whatever they are interested in and floats their boat, while women are attacked for having family and pursuing their individual interests at the same time. Both men and women are entitled to the half-and-half between being family people and pursuing their own interests.

Who thinks they don’t? It’s 2019...what the ****! This is the result of “women’s studies “ indoctrination classes. ITS 2019...WHY ARE YOU WRITING LIKE ITS 1919? Do you have any understanding of what the real world is like?

I have never taken any "women's studies" course. My courses were in history, political science, and law. I went to school before there was such a thing as "women's studies." I must point out that how women (over half of the population) got the vote was never mentioned during my schooling. My courses were incomplete. Why was this not taught to us? Half of the population attaining the blessings of democracy is not an important issue? The history of voting rights, not only of women, but also of African-Americans, is incredibly important in the history of our country and democracy. The "women's studies" courses are only meant to fill in the blanks left in the traditional teaching of history.

I do not mean to erase the lives of female people who already lived on this continent and I respect them, such as the women of the Iroquois Confederacy, but do you actually think that European (white) men arrived alone, no women among them, to establish the country you claim?

I cover the Iroquois Confederacy and role of women within it during my first unit of study. In fact getting ready to go there in about 72 hours. Also trace continuity through time of women in our history from Era of Republican Motherhood all the way to Title IX.

What is "republican motherhood"? What is "republican fatherhood"? You conflate so much that you are incomprehensible.

 

[SweetSue92]

What is glaringly missing from this discussion is that women, like men, have interests outside of family and raising children. A man can still raise a family while pursuing his interests in medicine, astrophysics, the law, engineering, politics, the gamut of whatever they are interested in and floats their boat, while women are attacked for having family and pursuing their individual interests at the same time. Both men and women are entitled to the half-and-half between being family people and pursuing their own interests.

Who thinks they don’t? It’s 2019...what the ****! This is the result of “women’s studies “ indoctrination classes. ITS 2019...WHY ARE YOU WRITING LIKE ITS 1919? Do you have any understanding of what the real world is like?

I don't know, she goes on these tangents where she listens to herself talk in her own head or something. Having nothing to do what anyone is saying. It's weird.

Exactly. She acts like the last 70 years of social change never happened. I think it goes too far when I’m called “sexist” if I get the door for a lady or stand when she arrives and sits for the first time at dinner table when we’re out at a restaurant. Old school I guess. Most of these traditions go back to a man’s respect for his mother.

Please pay no attention to the harpies, and continue getting doors and standing (how nice!). That's not "sexist", it's just good manners and I always appreciate it!