The modern woman has a career and children, all without the help of any man...

[idb]

,,,the modern man remains boy-like, perpetually playing video games and hopping from woman to woman but never settling down.

This is the world liberal Democrats have created.

Are you claiming that the Republicans are the party of morality and family values?
Really?!!!

 

[karpenter]

Maybe It's Better Kids Live With Their Parents Longer
They Can Help At Home, And Store Away Their Earnings
IF They Are The Responsible Sort

Eighteen and you're an adult, OUT on your own. Grow up!

Harsh, Dude

 

[Disir]

Again. Dichotomy. Not supposed to do a lot of things. I'll be sure to codify that as soon as I have completed my takeover of the universe. Here is the reality. There were just as many shiftless men in the 1950s as there were in the 1910s etc.

Here is the really fun part. Women that are further down the socioeconomic ladder have a limited pool of men to partner with. So, at the bottom we have mentally ill men, felons, sex offenders, ongoing addictions, intellectually disabled men, etc. and so on. They are just as susceptible today as they were 60-100 years ago to the whole concept of a knight in shining armor and the fairy tale romance. You still have a very large percentage of young girls that drop out of high school and want to be stay at home mothers and wives. That is what they want to do.

The "modern woman" has a career and children today for the same damn reason that they had children and a career 100 years ago without a man. Rent and food. The number of women that make a "lifestyle choice" are few and are usually independently wealthy or financially stable in established careers.

Women rarely marry DOWN the socioeconomic ladder. It is women at the top who actually have a seriously limited pool of men to partner with.


A woman at the bottom, can benefit from partnering with just about any man who is actually planing to even try.


THe magic of sharing rent is an obvious benefit, even if the guy has some issues.

As long as both are sharing rent. It's the whole trying part. Plans are a dime a dozen and is usually the problem; it's the follow through that counts.

Women don't marry down the ladder despite the romance novels of the blue collar worker meets wealthy heiress/journalist/rancher/CEO/financial adviser. It's not the norm. I agree. However, the odds of a woman working the register at a local convenience store meeting, falling in love and marrying the banker are slim to none. So, they are dating whomever is in their community.

The point being that many women picked up the pieces from whatever relationship they had and either created the opportunity or obtained work to provide housing, food for the children that they had. Same as they do now. I don't care what time frame we are talking about because curling up in a fetal position has traditionally not been an option.

1. The CEO? no. The guy with a real and steady job? Maybe.


2. I'm still not seeing the point, in this need to deny that relative "Good Times" did exist in the past.

Maybe.


Good times is vastly different from the Good Old Days. There were no good old days.

Sure there were. Good times are not vastly different from Good Old Days.


What is your point in fighting against the idea of the 50s as a time of "Good old days"?

It's operating from a place of nostalgia and does not accurately represent the time period.

 

[Correll]

The time to get though college, the debt you pile up doing so, the high cost of living, the rarity of a man with a job good enough to support a family.
Yes, I am a man, why is that relevant?

You're Not Her Grand Father Either
He Hasn't Said All That
And None Of It Is An Excuse For Never Having 'A Real Job' Before 27
Just Lay Around The House Until The 'Real Job' Of Their Liking Shows Up ??
There Are Plenty Of 'Real Jobs' For Those That Want Them
Initforme Hasn't Given What His Grand Daughter's Reasons Are
For Not Having Had Good Employment

My granddaughter is working her first real job now. She is 27

Nor Has He Said What Her Current Job Is

There is a slim chance that she choose her current situation.


But I doubt it. If we had access to all the information and a trustworthy judge, I would be willing to bet a significant sum on my conclusion.


The vast majority of woman want children. The majority want a father for those children. THe majority, if given the option, imo, would choose to stay at home with their children, at least when they are young.

 

[Correll]

Women rarely marry DOWN the socioeconomic ladder. It is women at the top who actually have a seriously limited pool of men to partner with.


A woman at the bottom, can benefit from partnering with just about any man who is actually planing to even try.


THe magic of sharing rent is an obvious benefit, even if the guy has some issues.

As long as both are sharing rent. It's the whole trying part. Plans are a dime a dozen and is usually the problem; it's the follow through that counts.

Women don't marry down the ladder despite the romance novels of the blue collar worker meets wealthy heiress/journalist/rancher/CEO/financial adviser. It's not the norm. I agree. However, the odds of a woman working the register at a local convenience store meeting, falling in love and marrying the banker are slim to none. So, they are dating whomever is in their community.

The point being that many women picked up the pieces from whatever relationship they had and either created the opportunity or obtained work to provide housing, food for the children that they had. Same as they do now. I don't care what time frame we are talking about because curling up in a fetal position has traditionally not been an option.

1. The CEO? no. The guy with a real and steady job? Maybe.


2. I'm still not seeing the point, in this need to deny that relative "Good Times" did exist in the past.

Maybe.


Good times is vastly different from the Good Old Days. There were no good old days.

Sure there were. Good times are not vastly different from Good Old Days.


What is your point in fighting against the idea of the 50s as a time of "Good old days"?

It's operating from a place of nostalgia and does not accurately represent the time period.

Except the experience of the people in that time period, was that it was a very good time.

 

[karpenter]

There is a slim chance that she choose her current situation.
But I doubt it. If we had access to all the information and a trustworthy judge, I would be willing to bet a significant sum on my conclusion.

You Sure Seem To Know A Lot About Her
With-Out Knowing Anything About Her

 

[Correll]

There is a slim chance that she choose her current situation.
But I doubt it. If we had access to all the information and a trustworthy judge, I would be willing to bet a significant sum on my conclusion.

You Sure Seem To Know A Lot About Her
With-Out Knowing Anything About Her

I've very smart and wise.

We could ask the guy that posted, if you think that would help move the discussion?

 

[Markle]

Single Moms Can’t Be Scapegoated for the Murder Rate Anymore
The Majority of Children Live With Two Parents, Census Bureau Reports

I must have missed it although I did search the document you cited for the word murder. Please post where I missed the statistic you stated.

In your source is an alarming statistic which you missed.

"Between 1960 and 2016, the percentage of children living in families with two parents decreased from 88 to 69. Of those 50.7 million children living in families with two parents, 47.7 million live with two married parents and 3.0 million live with two unmarried parents.

During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent. The percentage of children not living with any parent increased slightly from 3 to 4 percent."

The Majority of Children Live With Two Parents, Census Bureau Reports

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

,,,the modern man remains boy-like, perpetually playing video games and hopping from woman to woman but never settling down.

This is the world liberal Democrats have created.

Strawman fallacy.

 

[Correll]

,,,the modern man remains boy-like, perpetually playing video games and hopping from woman to woman but never settling down.

This is the world liberal Democrats have created.

Strawman fallacy.

It is only a strawman if he is accusing someone else of saying it.


That is his opinion. If you disagree, you should explain why you think he is wrong, instead of a pathetic drive by.

 

[Disir]

Single Moms Can’t Be Scapegoated for the Murder Rate Anymore
The Majority of Children Live With Two Parents, Census Bureau Reports

I must have missed it although I did search the document you cited for the word murder. Please post where I missed the statistic you stated.

In your source is an alarming statistic which you missed.

"Between 1960 and 2016, the percentage of children living in families with two parents decreased from 88 to 69. Of those 50.7 million children living in families with two parents, 47.7 million live with two married parents and 3.0 million live with two unmarried parents.

During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent. The percentage of children not living with any parent increased slightly from 3 to 4 percent."

The Majority of Children Live With Two Parents, Census Bureau Reports

You are going to need to start at the beginning of that conversation, Markle.

 

[Markle]

I don't hate men....why is it that you think I hate men?

Oh, I don't know....

 

[Disir]

As long as both are sharing rent. It's the whole trying part. Plans are a dime a dozen and is usually the problem; it's the follow through that counts.

Women don't marry down the ladder despite the romance novels of the blue collar worker meets wealthy heiress/journalist/rancher/CEO/financial adviser. It's not the norm. I agree. However, the odds of a woman working the register at a local convenience store meeting, falling in love and marrying the banker are slim to none. So, they are dating whomever is in their community.

The point being that many women picked up the pieces from whatever relationship they had and either created the opportunity or obtained work to provide housing, food for the children that they had. Same as they do now. I don't care what time frame we are talking about because curling up in a fetal position has traditionally not been an option.

1. The CEO? no. The guy with a real and steady job? Maybe.


2. I'm still not seeing the point, in this need to deny that relative "Good Times" did exist in the past.

Maybe.


Good times is vastly different from the Good Old Days. There were no good old days.

Sure there were. Good times are not vastly different from Good Old Days.


What is your point in fighting against the idea of the 50s as a time of "Good old days"?

It's operating from a place of nostalgia and does not accurately represent the time period.

Except the experience of the people in that time period, was that it was a very good time.

For some. Not for others. It is why it is referred to as a dichotomy. The Gilded Age provided people that had experienced a very good time as well.

 

[Correll]

1. The CEO? no. The guy with a real and steady job? Maybe.


2. I'm still not seeing the point, in this need to deny that relative "Good Times" did exist in the past.

Maybe.


Good times is vastly different from the Good Old Days. There were no good old days.

Sure there were. Good times are not vastly different from Good Old Days.


What is your point in fighting against the idea of the 50s as a time of "Good old days"?

It's operating from a place of nostalgia and does not accurately represent the time period.

Except the experience of the people in that time period, was that it was a very good time.

For some. Not for others. The Gilded Age provided people that had experienced a very good time as well.

No time is a utopia. But refusing to acknowledge that there have been periods when people have had good times in the past, I am not seeing a benefit.

IMO, if someone references a time of past glory, then the next question should be, what made it good and what can we learn from that.


What, in your mind, is wrong with that idea?

 

[22lcidw]

,,,the modern man remains boy-like, perpetually playing video games and hopping from woman to woman but never settling down.

This is the world liberal Democrats have created.

Are you claiming that the Republicans are the party of morality and family values?
Really?!!!

I am with you. Lets remove every government penny to pay for any sexual disease of any type. We will save a lot of money nationally and the people who have those diseases will be a reminder to living with no morality and family values. They will pay for their own medicine and treatments. Everyone wins!

 

[Markle]

1 in 4 girls are sexually abused in this country before they reach 18.....most by hetero male family members and friends. These are "men"?

I believe you forgot to include your reliable source and working link supporting your allegation. Would you please correct that oversight?

 

[Disir]

,,,the modern man remains boy-like, perpetually playing video games and hopping from woman to woman but never settling down.

This is the world liberal Democrats have created.

There were no good old days.

What is better today?

The rate of poverty?

The quality of education? The level of literacy?

The rate of incarceration?

Yes, health care is far superior to fifty or sixty years ago.

Central heat and air, methods of communication, the incorporation of many rights that were not available. Job opportunities that were denied due to race, gender and class. Science, space exploration, etc.

 

[karpenter]

,,,the modern man remains boy-like, perpetually playing video games and hopping from woman to woman but never settling down.

This is the world liberal Democrats have created.

How did the Democrats create this, exactly?

What happens today is a woman doesn't feel the need to marry a loser just because he donated some sperm. Now it would be nice if they picked their men better, but the idea of freedom is sometimes, you get to make the wrong choices.

And this is the idiocy that creates crazy incels

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"creates crazy INCELS"......it's women's fault for INCELs?

Incels ??
My Wild Guess Would Be
Too Much Video Games
Too Much Porn
Too Much Time In Front Of A Computer
And No One Taught Them How To Get Training
Or Even Know What A Gainful Job Is
Let Alone How To Apply For One

I Ran Into A Guy 1yr Ahead Of Me In School
Early 40yr Old
He Was Changing Out The Tires On My Truck
Not Even The Mechanic
I Was Getting Ready For A Two Week Travel Vacation
This Guy Has Been Working Entry Level Jobs His Entire Life
He's Not Retarded Or Slow
He Just Never Knew How To Apply For A Gainful Job

 

[Correll]

,,,the modern man remains boy-like, perpetually playing video games and hopping from woman to woman but never settling down.

This is the world liberal Democrats have created.

There were no good old days.

What is better today?

The rate of poverty?

The quality of education? The level of literacy?

The rate of incarceration?

Yes, health care is far superior to fifty or sixty years ago.

Central heat and air, methods of communication, the incorporation of many rights that were not available. Job opportunities that were denied due to race, gender and class. Science, space exploration, etc.

in the 1950s we were the nation, that when confronted with Spunik, would motivate and mobilize and within a decade put a Man on the Moon.


IMO, we could not do that today. We are too disunited, too broke, too lacking in the confidence needed to even think that we SHOULD do something like that.

 

[Markle]

Maybe It's Better Kids Live With Their Parents Longer
They Can Help At Home, And Store Away Their Earnings
IF They Are The Responsible Sort

Eighteen and you're an adult, OUT on your own. Grow up!

Harsh, Dude

Life is harsh.