The Medicaid Cuts in "The Big Beautiful Bill": An Honest Discussion

[Edgetho]

and get this.. we are giving money to Israel that has socialized medicine

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That is a lie. You are just another lying sack of ******* shit dimocrap scumbag. Or stupid. More likely -- Both.

Israel, like Switzerland, mandates the compulsary purchase of Private Health Insurance. It is not in any way, shape or form socialized medicine. Only idiot scumbag low-lifes want socialized medicine.

I would be all for Compulsary Participation in Health Insurance, 100%, but we have this thing called Federalism and it's a PITA to get all 50 States on the same wave length.

Idiots like you don't help the matter

Healthcare in Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Under the National Health Insurance Law, membership in one of the four following health funds, or Kupot Holim (Patient Funds) is compulsory for all residents of Israel: Clalit, Maccabi, Meuhedet and Leumit. Clalit is the largest of the four, with about half of the population belonging to it. The four Kupot Holim are obligated by the law to offer a minimum package of health services and treatments, known as the Health Basket (סל הבריאות; Sal HaBriut ), to all their members. The law established a system of direct oversight of the Kupot Holim by the state, and certain services are under the direct administration of the State, usually by means of the Ministry of Health.

 

[eagle1462010]

I agree. screw all those rural hospitals in MAGA land. Elections matter amirite?

Yawn. Talking points from a clown.

Rural will do fine without daddy govt.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

That is a lie. You are just another lying sack of ******* shit dimocrap scumbag. Or stupid. More likely -- Both.

Israel, like Switzerland, mandates the compulsary purchase of Private Health Insurance. It is not in any way, shape or form socialized medicine. Only idiot scumbag low-lifes want socialized medicine.

I would be all for Compulsary Participation in Health Insurance, 100%, but we have this thing called Federalism and it's a PITA to get all 50 States on the same wave length.

Idiots like you don't help the matter

Healthcare in Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Under the National Health Insurance Law, membership in one of the four following health funds, or Kupot Holim (Patient Funds) is compulsory for all residents of Israel: Clalit, Maccabi, Meuhedet and Leumit. Clalit is the largest of the four, with about half of the population belonging to it. The four Kupot Holim are obligated by the law to offer a minimum package of health services and treatments, known as the Health Basket (סל הבריאות; Sal HaBriut ), to all their members. The law established a system of direct oversight of the Kupot Holim by the state, and certain services are under the direct administration of the State, usually by means of the Ministry of Health.

Please disclose your affiliation with the AIPAC

nope that is the truth

Yes, Israel has a socialized healthcare system funded by a combination of taxes and government funding

You show me where my tax dollars are excluded from "government funding"

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yawn. Talking points from a clown.

Rural will do fine without daddy govt.

Or they won't. Its their problem now.

 

[eagle1462010]

Or they won't. Its their problem now.

Good. Take the rest of the powers away from the Fed also

 

[Ret Old Man]

If the gov't would gut the waste and fraud, no one would feel any pain. The fraud and waste equals millions of dollars annually and a lot of the grifters originate in foreign countries.

 

[debbiedowner]

I don't believe the pubs thought this out far enough to see what may come.

Scenario: If a tipped person deductions brings their magi below a certain income level, depending on how states figure, this may bring a bunch of new to Medicaid individuals into the system that did expand Medicaid under obamacare. . At that income level they would not qualify for subsidy for obamacare. This may have been someone who has had enough magi to qualify in the past but no longer. Catch 22.

This article has a good breakdown of what may be effected with both Medicaid and Medicare. Look at Medicare. If you read it all the way through it may or may not enlighten on what is possibly to come.

Final House Vote on Devastating Health and Food Assistance Cuts - Medicare Rights Center

Update, July 3, 2025: The House passed the legislation—along party lines and without a single Democratic vote—that will rip critical health and nutrition programs for millions of Americans. Learn more about the bill’s devastating impact below. An Overview of the Harmful Budget Bill Senate...

www.medicarerights.org

 

[eagle1462010]

Total Medicaid Spending | KFF

No wonder the Dems are yelling. Look at leftist states, especially California and New York.

Massive spending in those 2 states

124 Billion California
97.8 biloion New York

221.8 of 880 billion of all Medicaid spending.

25% going to just 2 states. They gotta be STEALING IT LIKE ALWAYS.

 

[sartre play]

Okay, now I understand your post. Wihtout context it makes no sense. At all.

Yes, there is a need, there shouldn't be but there is a need for Medicaid for healthy people.

You can thank the Bastard Son of Frank Marshall Davis and his Affordable Health Care jagoff plan.

His bullshit plan (going from a failing memory now, so be gentle) requires a person have an income. It has to be EARNED Income in order to qualify you to get on his bullshit obamacare.

So, if you're living off your savings, you can't get obamacare. If you retire at age 55 and don't go back to work and live off your savings or investments, you can't get obamacare.

The Lying ********** in Chief, being a stupid dimocrap scumbag, decided that you had to go on Welfare and get Medicaid. But since those people wouldn't qualify for Wekfare, most States changed their rules to allow them to skip the Welfare requirements and get on Medicaid, paying obamacare rates, for their insurance.

Yeah, it sucks but what people forget is that The Bastard Son Of Frank Marshall Davis put most Private Health Carriers out of business and if you lived in a State like Florida, where we don't play that game..... You're screwed.

I have a friend that fell into the Gap. He didn't work but he wasn't welathy. He owned a house and a car and he couldn't qualify for Welfare/Medicaid. So, no insurance for him.

One of the reasons he didn't work was because he had a really bad back. And he needed Health Insurance to get some surgery. He was in the process when the Bastard Son of Frank Marshall Davis shut all the private carriers down. So he was left out in the cold.

In most other States, he could have qualified for the Medicaid/obamacare exception and got on obamacare. But not in Florida. Florida don't play that shit. I disagree with it, but that's how they roll.

There shouldn't be a need for otherwise healthy people to get on Medicaid but the Bastard Son of Frank Marshall Davis created it. And a few States, like Florida, refused to play.

I almost fell into that gap myself. I did for a couple years in fact but I decided to not worry about it. Had the VA. And back then, they sucked ass but I waited it out until I got on MediCARE, not medicaid, Medicare.

Sorry that's a piss poor explanation but it's the best I can do for now.

I didn't know that OMB wanted to do away with that provision. That's gonna hurt a fair amount of people.

obamacare was/is a disaster anyway. Biggest piece of shit legislation in American History

ITS been to many years to remember the fight over ACA. Do remember that what ever it started out to be,
Every Republican member & All SENATORS from both party's put their fingers in the pie & the ACA ended up looking very messy.

 

[IM2]

Medicaid fraud and abuses are very small. Here we have man who has defrauded millions talking about cutting fraud and abuse from something.

 

[eagle1462010]

ITS been to many years to remember the fight over ACA. Do remember that what ever it started out to be,
Every Republican member & All SENATORS from both party's put their fingers in the pie & the ACA ended up looking very messy.

Some of which got cut. Most of the increases were from ACA.

Now roughly 50 billion from fed to state will get cut. States can decide to raise money to cover it or start looking hard at the fraud.

I was amazed that 25% of Medicare spending was in 2 states

Cali and New York. Imagine that.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Medicaid fraud and abuses are very small

DOJ takes down sick $14.6B health care fraud scheme that saw patients given ‘unnecessary’ procedures

The operation, which the department called the largest healthcare fraud takedown in its history, collared 324 defendants, including members of transnational criminal groups and American doctors and…

nypost.com

 

[IM2]

Total Medicaid Spending | KFF

No wonder the Dems are yelling. Look at leftist states, especially California and New York.

Massive spending in those 2 states

124 Billion California
97.8 biloion New York

221.8 of 880 billion of all Medicaid spending.

25% going to just 2 states. They gotta be STEALING IT LIKE ALWAYS.

Wrong. These are highly populated states so more people will be on Medicaid.

Furthermore, California sends more to the government than it takes. Start talking about red states like Mississippi, which take more than they give.

 

[eagle1462010]

DOJ takes down sick $14.6B health care fraud scheme that saw patients given ‘unnecessary’ procedures

The operation, which the department called the largest healthcare fraud takedown in its history, collared 324 defendants, including members of transnational criminal groups and American doctors and…

nypost.com

That fraud alone is 15 of 50 billion cut a year on Medicaid.

Betcha these busts are Cali and New York

 

[sartre play]

Some of which got cut. Most of the increases were from ACA.

Now roughly 50 billion from fed to state will get cut. States can decide to raise money to cover it or start looking hard at the fraud.

I was amazed that 25% of Medicare spending was in 2 states

Cali and New York. Imagine that.

Why would you think that the two states with the largest populations in the country.
Would cost in the same range as states with Much LOWER POPULATIONS??

 

[eagle1462010]

Why would you think that the two states with the largest populations in the country.
Would cost in the same range as states with Much LOWER POPULATIONS??

BS

Texas and Florida both have higher populaions than New York and both together spend less of Medicare than New York.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That fraud alone is 15 of 50 billion cut a year on Medicaid.

Betcha these busts are Cali and New York

I bet they are.

One third of the cuts... just damn.