The Lie of 9-11 and it's after effects

[PeterPilot]

PS:

Any word on what took down the light poles if it wasn’t AA77?

LOL... I own you.

Only in your puny and well conditioned mind honey.

 

[candycorn]

Only in your puny and well conditioned mind honey.

IF you can’t address physical evidence...you’re pretty much incapable of addressing anything.

It must suck that you get owned so easily....every single time.

 

[Robert W]

The vanishing passengers: the pilots and crew ignored by the conspiracy folks, the tale of swapped airplanes, all show a desire to promote fiction.

 

[wist43]

What is the official Government version you so adamantly object to. Please, keep it on topic which is what happened on 911 not what Germany did eons back.

- I object to saying that the commercial airliners were hijacked at all - when there is evidence that our intelligence agencies were running the "terrorists" as Assets, controlled by Handlers, under Operation Able Danger.

(Watch Webster Tarpley's lecture. He covers all of this)



- I object to assuming the planes that hit the towers and Pentagon were the original passenger planes, when we know for a fact that the actual planes were flying beyond VMO.

- on that count, I also object to the portrayal of the "terrorist pilots" as being competent enough to perform the feats of flying witnessed.

(These issues are covered in the documentary 9/11 A New Pearl Harbor)



- I object because the physics of the buildings collapsing do not compute with the official version.

(There have been many credible scientists and institutions that have lodged objections)

There are many, many more, but you can't seem to grasp the obvious aspects of the above objections, so you're stuck unless you commit to investigating the truth instead of just finding reinforcement for the false official version.

 

[wist43]

The vanishing passengers: the pilots and crew ignored by the conspiracy folks, the tale of swapped airplanes, all show a desire to promote fiction.

Swapping planes is easy, you said it yourself. Go dark, cross paths, and go from there. That was detailed in the original Operation Northwoods proposal, and it is covered in the 911 New Pearl Harbor Doc.

As for passengers and other collateral issues - the answer is simple, they were killed.

The phone calls come into play here, so I think it makes sense that the passengers were already landed and sequestered.

Killing a few hundred people is Tuesday afternoon for our intelligence agencies.

 

[wist43]

The vanishing passengers: the pilots and crew ignored by the conspiracy folks, the tale of swapped airplanes, all show a desire to promote fiction.

You know, this post of yours just jogged an old memory of another false flag involving an airliner.

The downing of KAL 007 in 1983.

269 people were killed if memory serves. The plane was shot down to kill 1 man, Congressman Larry McDonald.

268 people murdered to cover up tge killing of 1 person.

 

[Robert W]

You know, this post of yours just jogged an old memory of another false flag involving an airliner.

The downing of KAL 007 in 1983.

269 people were killed if memory serves. The plane was shot down to kill 1 man, Congressman Larry McDonald.

268 people murdered to cover up tge killing of 1 person.

Listen, I copied the post numbers for reference purposes. I am tied up now. I really hate being party to whacky theories. However, since you gave videos, I will try to get the gist. Do I think airplanes were crashed on purpose? YES. Do I recall an Arab departing NY City as the pilot in command crashing an airliner into the Atlantic? YES

 

[Robert W]

You know, this post of yours just jogged an old memory of another false flag involving an airliner.

The downing of KAL 007 in 1983.

269 people were killed if memory serves. The plane was shot down to kill 1 man, Congressman Larry McDonald.

268 people murdered to cover up tge killing of 1 person.

Actually, the KAL007 pilots made a tragic mistake and were thought to be an American spy plane so the Russians shot down the airliner. The actual true story is here. The doomed pilots forgot to engage the navigation system to keep them out of Soviet airspace. They flew directly into Soviet airspace and as a result were shot down.

 

[toobfreak]

Jet Air Liners do not disintegrate upon impacting buildings such as the Pentagon, nor when crashing in to the ground! ​

Oh look! How did I know going into this that Conspiracy Theorist #1 Buttercup would agree with you?

Look Holmes, I'm not a material scientist but I've studied material science enough and know enough about jets to say this:

• The jets that hit the WTC were loaded with fuel and hit the skyscrapers under full power, going straight into the central reinforced column that supported the building and its elevators, wiring trunks, etc.
• They blew up in a fireball of nearly 1800° hot enough to weaken unprotected steel.
• Jets are made practically of tissue paper--- to be as light as possible while holding up to flying and landing. The wings bend up and down by several feet and even the fuselage changes shape expanding and contracting as the planes fly and land.
• The Pentagon is made of thick, heavy, reinforced concrete.
• The plane that crashed in PA was not trying to land, the passengers flew it almost straight into the ground.

It does not take a genius to realize that no conspiracies are necessary to explain what happened on 9/11.

 

[wist43]

Actually, the KAL007 pilots made a tragic mistake and were thought to be an American spy plane so the Russians shot down the airliner. The actual true story is here. The doomed pilots forgot to engage the navigation system to keep them out of Soviet airspace. They flew directly into Soviet airspace and as a result were shot down.

I know the "story", and I know the truth. Larry McDonald was destined to be assassinated eventually.

I won't go into why, it's too complex to easily explain. I knew many of the people who worked with Larry McDonald.

It's a long story.

 

[Robert W]

I know the "story", and I know the truth. Larry McDonald was destined to be assassinated eventually.

I won't go into why, it's too complex to easily explain. I knew many of the people who worked with Larry McDonald.

It's a long story.

Well, I understood from day one that no matter what you learned, it was not going to change your mind. However, it also means you won't change my mind. BTW, why were the Russians out to kill McDonald?

 

[wist43]

Well, I understood from day one that no matter what you learned, it was not going to change your mind. However, it also means you won't change my mind. BTW, why were the Russians out to kill McDonald?

He was effectively building a coalition within Congress that would actually stifle Soviet policy and restrict or eliminate the clandestine and material support money flowing from the U.S. and our NATO allies to the Soviet Union.

Without financial and material support from the west, the Soviet Union would have likely descended into fiscal collapse and from there an overthrow of the Soviet regime would have been likely.

If you believe Anatoliy Golitsyn in his book New Lies For Old, and I think his information has proven to be correct in the passage of time, then collapsing of the Soviet Union as it actually played out (1989-90), was a planned deception that would have been foiled had Larry McDonald and the true American patriots in Congress been successful in exposing what was actually being done behind the scenes.

As I said, it's complicated - and it's much more complicated than that brief explanation I just provided.

To best understand why McDonald had to be killed, I'd recommend Golitsyn's book, but there are many other good books on the subject.

KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov used to speak on this subject quite a bit, but mostly as corollary to his primary field of expertise, which was Active Measures, and Asymmetric Warfare.

 

[wist43]

Well, I understood from day one that no matter what you learned, it was not going to change your mind. However, it also means you won't change my mind. BTW, why were the Russians out to kill McDonald?

You're wrong about that. I’m actually very much open to all information, and if I hold a view that is proven wrong, I change my opinion.

Which is how I changed from being at least generally accepting of the "official version", to rejecting almost all of it.

As well schooled in the subjects of false flags, general intelligence practices, and history in general - I did not consider 9/11 to be a false flag.

Truth be told, I was going through a lot of changes in my life at the time, and was too distracted to follow events closely. So, what I did hear on the news and from the government - I was suspicious of, but didn't have any facts to dispute it, so I tepidly accepted the official version.

It was 8-9 years later that I actually got around to investigating 9/11. I did some pretty rigorous research for about 2-3 years, and was able to confidently conclude that 9/11 was a false flag.

 

[candycorn]

You're wrong about that. I’m actually very much open to all information, and if I hold a view that is proven wrong, I change my opinion.

Which is how I changed from being at least generally accepting of the "official version", to rejecting almost all of it.

As well schooled in the subjects of false flags, general intelligence practices, and history in general - I did not consider 9/11 to be a false flag.

Truth be told, I was going through a lot of changes in my life at the time, and was too distracted to follow events closely. So, what I did hear on the news and from the government - I was suspicious of, but didn't have any facts to dispute it, so I tepidly accepted the official version.

It was 8-9 years later that I actually got around to investigating 9/11. I did some pretty rigorous research for about 2-3 years, and was able to confidently conclude that 9/11 was a false flag.

Okay...point to what the 9/11 commission REPORT got wrong. You say you did “rigorous” researach for 2-3 years.....prove it.

You won’t, of course.

Typical truther nonsense.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Far more danger coming from the few who work to overthrow republicans. Democrats' daily efforts amount to overthrowing the government.

Robert,... When one takes a Hard Look, at what the Republicans, & Democrats have done together, especially when it comes to the many Undeclared, & Unjustified Wars, The Ever Increasing, & Unpayable National Debt, America's incessant interference in the Affairs of other Nations, The turning away from the Biblical Foundation of America, The expansion of "Police State Powers" since 9-11. The emphasis of Federal Rule, over State's Rights,...... All of these , & more, remain in effect, no matter what "Party" holds the power in Washington. And each time "Power" is handed to the other "Party", they do not remove that which has Harmed America.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Oh look! How did I know going into this that Conspiracy Theorist #1 Buttercup would agree with you?

Look Holmes, I'm not a material scientist but I've studied material science enough and know enough about jets to say this:

• The jets that hit the WTC were loaded with fuel and hit the skyscrapers under full power, going straight into the central reinforced column that supported the building and its elevators, wiring trunks, etc.
• They blew up in a fireball of nearly 1800° hot enough to weaken unprotected steel.
• Jets are made practically of tissue paper--- to be as light as possible while holding up to flying and landing. The wings bend up and down by several feet and even the fuselage changes shape expanding and contracting as the planes fly and land.
• The Pentagon is made of thick, heavy, reinforced concrete.
• The plane that crashed in PA was not trying to land, the passengers flew it almost straight into the ground.

It does not take a genius to realize that no conspiracies are necessary to explain what happened on 9/11.

"Jets are made practically of tissue paper--- to be as light as possible while holding up to flying and landing. The wings bend up and down by several feet and even the fuselage changes shape expanding and contracting as the planes fly and land.

• The Pentagon is made of thick, heavy, reinforced concrete."

So,...."Tissue paper like metal", bore a hole in to the Pentagon, with no readily available evidence of a Jet Airliner having crashed?

 

[PeterPilot]

IF you can’t address physical evidence...you’re pretty much incapable of addressing anything.

It must suck that you get owned so easily....every single time.

I have explained to you several times about the poles, but like water off a duck's back, facts roll off your sad mind. You are incapable of seeing the big picture, and that makes you incapable of rational public dialogue. Perhaps you took the clot shots like DJT and are now losing cognitive function. It doesn't matter anymore. You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

 

[candycorn]

I have explained to you several times about the poles, but like water off a duck's back, facts roll off your sad mind. You are incapable of seeing the big picture, and that makes you incapable of rational public dialogue. Perhaps you took the clot shots like DJT and are now losing cognitive function. It doesn't matter anymore. You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

It should be no problem to cite/state them again.

You won’t. Typical truther nonsense

 

[PeterPilot]

It should be no problem to cite/state them again.

You won’t. Typical truther nonsense

You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

 

[candycorn]

You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

As you prove constantly