The liberal march towards EXTREME fascism

[HappyJoy]

Right, you have your own police force and fire department.

Oh sweetie...police and fire is not socialism. Socialism is redistributing wealth. It is not paying taxes for government employees.

I can’t tell if you’re desperate or really this stupid.

Police, and Fire does take wealth from the masses via taxes, and dump it into those institutions.

Hardly different, than Socialized Healthcare takes wealth from the masses via taxes, and dump it in those institutions.

Yep, agree.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Fascists are anti-Capitalism

Pay attention here HappyJoy. Facists are anti-capitalists (just like all left-wingers)

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did.

Nazis did allow for private ownership, and private profits... Just with mild micro-management for National Interest.

The allowed the "owners" to have a worthless scrap of paper. Meanwhile the government made all the important decisions for the enterprise. The so-called "owners" were reduced to little more than factory managers.

The term "mild micro management" is an oxymoron.

Doesn't really matter how much they micro-managed... They achieved better results.

Nazis were better than FDR in the 1930's for economic growth GDP.... FDR was the #1 for economic growth in 20th century, U.S.A history.

 

[bripat9643]

Fascists are anti-Capitalism

Pay attention here HappyJoy. Facists are anti-capitalists (just like all left-wingers)

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

This has been explained to you 1000 times already, douchebag. The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did. Slave labor isn't a feature of capitalism. It's a feature of socialism.

The government sold off it's industry to the private sector and those industries worked with the government to control it's citizens, reduce civil liberties and workers rights. Let's not forget that fascist countries tend to have a strong central leader/personality and a heavy dose of right wing nationalism. Unlike communism there is a class system where the haves control the have nots.

You have no conception of how fascism works. You're spouting leftwing propaganda, not economics.

 

[bripat9643]

Pay attention here HappyJoy. Facists are anti-capitalists (just like all left-wingers)

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did.

Nazis did allow for private ownership, and private profits... Just with mild micro-management for National Interest.

The allowed the "owners" to have a worthless scrap of paper. Meanwhile the government made all the important decisions for the enterprise. The so-called "owners" were reduced to little more than factory managers.

The term "mild micro management" is an oxymoron.

Doesn't really matter how much they micro-managed... They achieved better results.

Nazis were better than FDR in the 1930's for economic growth GDP.... FDR was the #1 for economic growth in 20th century, U.S.A history.

Better than what, another facist government - the United States?

 

[HappyJoy]

Fascists are anti-Capitalism

Pay attention here HappyJoy. Facists are anti-capitalists (just like all left-wingers)

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did.

Nazis did allow for private ownership, and private profits... Just with mild micro-management for National Interest.

The allowed the "owners" to have a worthless scrap of paper. Meanwhile the government made all the important decisions for the enterprise. The so-called "owners" were reduced to little more than factory managers.

The term "mild micro management" is an oxymoron.

Actually the factory owners were enriched fheavily and the workers were often times slave laborers.

 

[P@triot]

Communist China is not Capitalist, or Communist, or Fascist... But closest to Fascist on the whole... Is seeing massive economic growth because of this government.

The dumb polack strikes again...

 

[P@triot]

Black people hold overwhelming detriment to this society, and hardly any benefit being in the U.S.A

Lucky for them (and you) being a "benefit" to society is not a requirement for citizenship.

 

[bripat9643]

Pay attention here HappyJoy. Facists are anti-capitalists (just like all left-wingers)

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did.

Nazis did allow for private ownership, and private profits... Just with mild micro-management for National Interest.

The allowed the "owners" to have a worthless scrap of paper. Meanwhile the government made all the important decisions for the enterprise. The so-called "owners" were reduced to little more than factory managers.

The term "mild micro management" is an oxymoron.

Actually the factory owners were enriched fheavily and the workers were often times slave laborers.

How do you know if they were "enriched?" What they recieved isn't propaerly labeled a "profit" in the economic sense of the term. It was simply a payment from the government. A profit is the result of trading your goods in the market. Factory "owners" didn't trade anything. Their prices were determined by the government. So where their customers and their suppliers.

 

[danielpalos]

Modern Polish women are welcome to explore, quantum computing, with any right wingers they find.

 

[P@triot]

Police, and Fire does take wealth from the masses via taxes, and dump it into those institutions. Hardly different, than Socialized Healthcare takes wealth from the masses via taxes, and dump it in those institutions.

Actually...it is vastly different. Healthcare redistributes wealth to an individual. Police and Fire do no such thing. When a police officer arrests you, you're bills don't get paid for you. When a fireman puts out a fire in your house, your bills don't get paid.

You continue to perpetuate the stereotype of the dumb polack.

 

[P@triot]

So, the U.S.A wasn't Capitalist in the Mid 19th century when it had 4 million Black Slaves here to benefit Capitalist owners (Mostly)???????

Well yes and no. They were "capitalists" in that the government didn't own industry, didn't interfere in enterprise, and they were forced to compete.

However, their "free" labor was most definitely not capitalist at all.

 

[HappyJoy]

Fascists are anti-Capitalism

Pay attention here HappyJoy. Facists are anti-capitalists (just like all left-wingers)

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

This has been explained to you 1000 times already, douchebag. The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did. Slave labor isn't a feature of capitalism. It's a feature of socialism.

The government sold off it's industry to the private sector and those industries worked with the government to control it's citizens, reduce civil liberties and workers rights. Let's not forget that fascist countries tend to have a strong central leader/personality and a heavy dose of right wing nationalism. Unlike communism there is a class system where the haves control the have nots.

You have no conception of how fascism works. You're spouting leftwing propaganda, not economics.

This is the basic premise of a fascist economy:

Union between businesses and the State, with the state telling the business what to do, with nominally private ownership. Corporatism in Italy, National Socialism in Germany. Central planning of National economy. Redistribution of wealth (Nazi).

And Communist (because that's all you want to do is call Hitler a leftist):

All people are the same and therefore classes make no sense. The government should own all means of production and land and also everything else. People should work for the government and the collective output should be redistributed equally.

Yes, they both share some element of wealth redistribution however for very different purposes. In a fascist government the wealth stays at the top in a Communist government (though it never really works out that way) money is moved around to eliminate a class system. Both are severely flawed in there own unique way.

Communism vs Fascism - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

This has been explained to you 1000 times already, douchebag. The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did. Slave labor isn't a feature of capitalism. It's a feature of socialism.

So, the U.S.A wasn't Capitalist in the Mid 19th century when it had 4 million Black Slaves here to benefit Capitalist owners (Mostly)
???????

Not the Southern half.

The Southerners argued it was companies had their Capitalist company Liberty to gouge their Slaves.

Not much different, today... Really.

Slaves aren't "gouged." They are owned.

Communist China is not Capitalist, or Communist, or Fascist... But closest to Fascist on the whole... Is seeing massive economic growth because of this government.

The dumb polack strikes again...

Communist China today still calls it's self Communist... But it's not really... It does have a mix of private, and government production firms / businesses.


That the Chinese government micro-manages for efficiency.

I.E a guy I talked too from China said they had people sweep the streets with brooms in China, and they didn't buy street sweepers, only because they wanted to provide people with much more jobs.


Which is kind of Fascist like... But not really... But also not Communist, really in it's pure form, nor Capitalist in it's pure form.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So, the U.S.A wasn't Capitalist in the Mid 19th century when it had 4 million Black Slaves here to benefit Capitalist owners (Mostly)???????

Well yes and no. They were "capitalists" in that the government didn't own industry, didn't interfere in enterprise, and they were forced to compete.

However, their "free" labor was most definitely not capitalist at all.

The U.S.A was a Capitalist government in the much of the 19th century.

I don't think that's debatable.

The fact is slavery was for business profit within a Capitalist society.

Even though Capitalism in theory supports workers the right to own their own labor.

The truth is everything else about it was 100% Capitalism.

 

[bripat9643]

Except that there was no “private industry”. They sold it to people they controlled - then controlled then industry they allegedly “sold off”. Thanks for playing.

That's called fascism. It's kind of what Russia is doing today.

Exactly! That’s what I’ve beem saying all along and what you’ve been arguing against.

Sorry, I'm not for some oligarchy system where corporations work hand in hand with the government to remove the rights of citizens and workers for the betterment of a divisive ideology. That's called fascism, not socialism.

So, give it a break, fascists are firmly planted on the right side of the political spectrum.

Fascists are anti-Oligarchy.

The U.S.A is an Oligarchy.

Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

Nazis micro-managed Corporate clout, while also propping them up.

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

I consider Russia to be a right leaning state. You have a central leader, Putin who has put into place a small group of people to control the country's industries. With fewer people controlling the levers of power than the U.S. and it's citizens with fewer civil liberties than the United States I would say that Russia is more of an oligarchy than the United States and more fascist as there isn't much of a difference between the two.

I don't like the trend the United States is taking however this country and other western democracies are miles away from authoritarian governments be they oligarchies, fascist or communist, not that the latter really exists today outside of a couple banana republics.

Pay attention here HappyJoy. Facists are anti-capitalists (just like all left-wingers)

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

This has been explained to you 1000 times already, douchebag. The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did. Slave labor isn't a feature of capitalism. It's a feature of socialism.

The government sold off it's industry to the private sector and those industries worked with the government to control it's citizens, reduce civil liberties and workers rights. Let's not forget that fascist countries tend to have a strong central leader/personality and a heavy dose of right wing nationalism. Unlike communism there is a class system where the haves control the have nots.

You have no conception of how fascism works. You're spouting leftwing propaganda, not economics.

This is the basic premise of a fascist economy:

Union between businesses and the State, with the state telling the business what to do, with nominally private ownership. Corporatism in Italy, National Socialism in Germany. Central planning of National economy. Redistribution of wealth (Nazi).

And Communist (because that's all you want to do is call Hitler a leftist):

All people are the same and therefore classes make no sense. The government should own all means of production and land and also everything else. People should work for the government and the collective output should be redistributed equally.

Yes, they both share some element of wealth redistribution however for very different purposes. In a fascist government the wealth stays at the top in a Communist government (though it never really works out that way) money is moved around to eliminate a class system. Both are severely flawed in there own unique way.

Communism vs Fascism - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

In both cases the government makes all the decisions for the enterprise. Fascism applies a pastiche of private ownership with a title that confers no rights of any kind. That's the only difference. Functionally, they are identical.

The purposes of the people running these system is irrelevant. Politicians lie about their purposes all the time. From an economic standpoint, it doesn't matter what they say or what they call things. It only matters what they do.

 

[HappyJoy]

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did.

Nazis did allow for private ownership, and private profits... Just with mild micro-management for National Interest.

The allowed the "owners" to have a worthless scrap of paper. Meanwhile the government made all the important decisions for the enterprise. The so-called "owners" were reduced to little more than factory managers.

The term "mild micro management" is an oxymoron.

Actually the factory owners were enriched fheavily and the workers were often times slave laborers.

How do you know if they were "enriched?" What they recieved isn't propaerly labeled a "profit" in the economic sense of the term. It was simply a payment from the government. A profit is the result of trading your goods in the market. Factory "owners" didn't trade anything. Their prices were determined by the government. So where their customers and their suppliers.

Companies such as Mercedes made a lot of money due to the use of slave labor provided by the government and then of course that same government provided these companies with a lot of business. Deutsche Bank made out like bandits seizing Jewish assets. When you have a government that reduces it's citizens rights such as religious freedoms, democratic institutions such as the right to vote and banning trade unions while supplying the rich with free labor you're called a right wing fascist government.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Police, and Fire does take wealth from the masses via taxes, and dump it into those institutions. Hardly different, than Socialized Healthcare takes wealth from the masses via taxes, and dump it in those institutions.

Actually...it is vastly different. Healthcare redistributes wealth to an individual. Police and Fire do no such thing. When a police officer arrests you, you're bills don't get paid for you. When a fireman puts out a fire in your house, your bills don't get paid.

You continue to perpetuate the stereotype of the dumb polack.

It's close..

You're not even right... As usual.

Healthcare generally redistributes to many individuals.... Some aren't benefiting.

No different with Police, or Fire.... Some aren't benefiting, either.

By the definition then he was right, and you were wrong.... That Police, and Fire fall under public services.

Redistribution of income and wealth - Wikipedia

Redistribution of income and redistribution of wealth are respectively the transfer of income and of wealth (including physical property) from some individuals to others by means of a social mechanism such as taxation, charity, welfare, public services, land reform, monetary policies, confiscation, divorce or tort law.[2] The term typically refers to redistribution on an economy-wide basis rather than between selected individuals.

 

[HappyJoy]

That's called fascism. It's kind of what Russia is doing today.

Exactly! That’s what I’ve beem saying all along and what you’ve been arguing against.

Sorry, I'm not for some oligarchy system where corporations work hand in hand with the government to remove the rights of citizens and workers for the betterment of a divisive ideology. That's called fascism, not socialism.

So, give it a break, fascists are firmly planted on the right side of the political spectrum.

Fascists are anti-Oligarchy.

The U.S.A is an Oligarchy.

Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

Nazis micro-managed Corporate clout, while also propping them up.

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

I consider Russia to be a right leaning state. You have a central leader, Putin who has put into place a small group of people to control the country's industries. With fewer people controlling the levers of power than the U.S. and it's citizens with fewer civil liberties than the United States I would say that Russia is more of an oligarchy than the United States and more fascist as there isn't much of a difference between the two.

I don't like the trend the United States is taking however this country and other western democracies are miles away from authoritarian governments be they oligarchies, fascist or communist, not that the latter really exists today outside of a couple banana republics.

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

This has been explained to you 1000 times already, douchebag. The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did. Slave labor isn't a feature of capitalism. It's a feature of socialism.

The government sold off it's industry to the private sector and those industries worked with the government to control it's citizens, reduce civil liberties and workers rights. Let's not forget that fascist countries tend to have a strong central leader/personality and a heavy dose of right wing nationalism. Unlike communism there is a class system where the haves control the have nots.

You have no conception of how fascism works. You're spouting leftwing propaganda, not economics.

This is the basic premise of a fascist economy:

Union between businesses and the State, with the state telling the business what to do, with nominally private ownership. Corporatism in Italy, National Socialism in Germany. Central planning of National economy. Redistribution of wealth (Nazi).

And Communist (because that's all you want to do is call Hitler a leftist):

All people are the same and therefore classes make no sense. The government should own all means of production and land and also everything else. People should work for the government and the collective output should be redistributed equally.

Yes, they both share some element of wealth redistribution however for very different purposes. In a fascist government the wealth stays at the top in a Communist government (though it never really works out that way) money is moved around to eliminate a class system. Both are severely flawed in there own unique way.

Communism vs Fascism - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

In both cases the government makes all the decisions for the enterprise. Fascism applies a pastiche of private ownership with a title that confers no rights of any kind. That's the only difference. Functionally, they are identical.

The purposes of the people running these system is irrelevant. Politicians lie about their purposes all the time. From an economic standpoint, it doesn't matter what they say or what they call things. It only matters what they do.

They aren't identical. Fascism is a right wing ideology, period. Communism is a left wing ideology, period.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Black people hold overwhelming detriment to this society, and hardly any benefit being in the U.S.A

Lucky for them (and you) being a "benefit" to society is not a requirement for citizenship.

The Naturalization Act of 1790 said only free Whites of GOOD CHARACTER are to become U.S.A citizens.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Sob would be mistaken. Private enterprise flourished under Nazi Germany, since they were fascist they also didn't give much of a shit about workers rights and used slave labor.

The private owners did not control industry in Nazi Germany. The government did.

Nazis did allow for private ownership, and private profits... Just with mild micro-management for National Interest.

The allowed the "owners" to have a worthless scrap of paper. Meanwhile the government made all the important decisions for the enterprise. The so-called "owners" were reduced to little more than factory managers.

The term "mild micro management" is an oxymoron.

Doesn't really matter how much they micro-managed... They achieved better results.

Nazis were better than FDR in the 1930's for economic growth GDP.... FDR was the #1 for economic growth in 20th century, U.S.A history.

Better than what, another facist government - the United States?

FDR was in fact the closest 20th century U.S.A president to a Fascist, and did achieve the #1 results in economic growth GDP.

The facts are Hitler a true Fascist did achieve better economic results than FDR.

So, absolutely..... with that said, and Franco achieving the #1 economic growth in 20th Century Europe.... I'd say yes... Fascism is the best economic system for growth, rather than Capitalism.