The leftist worship of the party/state is analogous with fascism

[K9Buck]

Iran is a fascist state and the far left is now defending them.

Iran is a totalitarian state, which is certainly an attribute of fascism. But, without knowing more about the Iranian economic system, I cannot determine if they are fascist or just despotic.

 

[cnm]

Actually, we should probably be pledging allegiance to the principles enumerated in our constition and bill of rights, rather than to a flag. I think it could be said, however, that the flag represents those values.

So have you pledged allegiance to the Republic, the state? C'mon now, don't be shy.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands​

 

[bodecea]

The modern American left's loyalty is to the Democratic Party and to the state. For the left, they are virtually one-in-the-same. What happens to average Americans is irrelevant compared to what happens to the party and state. Countless times on this forum I have asked leftists why they love the Democratic Party more than they love average Americans. I'm still waiting for an answer. Their total devotion to the party and state is exactly what Benito Mussolini wanted from Italian Fascists as evidenced by his writings, some of which I will share below.

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State.

Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual

Fascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State

No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State

but first and foremost they form the State

advancing, as one conscience and one will

the State which creates the nation

It arises, in short, from the existence, at least in fieri, of a State.

A nation, as expressed in the State, is a living, ethical entity only in so far as it is active. Inactivity is death. Therefore the State is not only Authority which governs and confers legal form and spiritual value on individual wills, but it is also Power which makes its will felt and respected beyond its own frontiers

FASCIST STATE AS A SPIRITUAL FORCE

The Fascist State, as a higher and more powerful expression of personality, is a force, but a spiritual one. It sums up all the manifestations of the moral and intellectual life of man.

Fascism, in short, is not only a law-giver and a founder of institutions, but an educator and a promoter of spiritual life.

Here are some interesting statements by Mussolini on fascism growing out of socialism:

POLITICAL AND SOCIAL DOCTRINE - EVOLUTION FROM SOCIALISM

in the great river of Fascism one can trace currents which had their source in Sorel, Peguy, Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists

And here Mussolini points out how fascism is opposed to both political and economic "liberalism". He is referring to, of course, economic and political freedom. The concept of "liberalism" in the 1920's (when this was written) is altogether different than what it is today.

REJECTION OF ECONOMIC LIBERALISM - ADMIRATION OF BISMARCK

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere.

Mussolini - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

Quite an Ironic OP there, Skippy.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

All this talk about democrats being the bad guys. Who are the guys going to jail? trumpbots or repubs or conservatives. Half a dozen trumpsters in prison, one waiting for sentencing, and anybody's guess about Guiliani. Then of course there's the big kahunatard trump getting his dumb ass impeached. Democrats just don't do the crimes that republicans do. They're for the most part fairly honest. Well, Clinton got impeached, but not for a serious crime like bribing the president of another country, but for getting a blow job. For free too. Trump had to pay $150k for a night with an over the hill hooker. Then there's this stuff you picked up on some whacko right wing website about 'socialist tyrants that fall under the yoke of global governance etc.' Where the heck do get this this garbage from?

The notion that you can "prove" whos the guilty by who's going to prison is fundamentally flawed.
While in many cases it may prove true, many times it does not. More so as corruption becomes common.

For example, in Nazi Germany, horrendous atrocities were committed by German Nazi officials and soldiers, but few Nazis ever went to prison for it or were even accused of any wrong doing.

While that's a stark comparison, the point is that you cannot always judge guilt by prosecution or persecution.

 

[bodecea]

LMAO....CONservatives should look in the mirror as they bow down in front of Clown Trump and the almighty war state....my god the hypocrisy.

#Becauseitsacult

 

[K9Buck]

Quite an Ironic OP there, Skippy.

You're the best evidence of what I'm describing in my OP. Your freaking avatar is of your master, Barack Obama. LOL. Thanks for the laugh.

Now, care to make an argument or shall we anticipate your usual troll-job?

 

[K9Buck]

[...few Nazis ever went to prison for it or were even accused of any wrong doing.

The Nazis didn't believe in equal application of the law and neither does the modern Democrat. Hillary, her aides, Comey, McCabe, etc. have all been caught in felonies and not a single Democrat has called for them to be prosecuted while simultaneously calling on Republicans to be prosecuted for crimes imagined.

I support prosecuting ALL law-breakers, regardless of political affiliation. Otherwise, we're a banana republic.

 

[cnm]

I guess we're to take it K9Buck always skipped the pledge of allegiance. I mean he wouldn't be ashamed of pledging allegiance to the state, nor have just repeated the pledge by rote not meaning a word of it.

 

[K9Buck]

So have you pledged allegiance to the Republic, the state? C'mon now, don't be shy.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands​

Of course. That doesn't mean that I'm a mindless supporter of unlimited government with total loyalty to government bureaucrats, as are you.

 

[Kosh]

Iran is a fascist state and the far left is now defending them.

Iran is a totalitarian state, which is certainly an attribute of fascism. But, without knowing more about the Iranian economic system, I cannot determine if they are fascist or just despotic.

Iran is a authoritarian ultranationalism run by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

A unique feature of Iran's economy is the presence of large religious foundations called Bonyad, whose combined budgets represent more than 30 percent of central government spending.

The Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran is officially a theocratic republic.

 

[K9Buck]

I guess we're to take it K9Buck always skipped the pledge of allegiance. I mean he wouldn't be ashamed of taking it, pledging allegiance to the state, nor have just repeated it by rote not meaning a word of it.

The pledge of allegiance was indoctrinated into all of us. I haven't said it in many, many years. It's symbolic.

My first loyalty is to my fellow Americans, not to the GOP or to the government itself. Your first and last loyalty is to your masters in the Democratic Party, whom you worship.

 

[K9Buck]

A unique feature of Iran's economy is the presence of large religious foundations called Bonyad, whose combined budgets represent more than 30 percent of central government spending.

I did not know that. Thanks.

 

[cnm]

So have you pledged allegiance to the Republic, the state? C'mon now, don't be shy.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands​

Of course. That doesn't mean that I'm a mindless supporter of unlimited government with total loyalty to government bureaucrats, as are you.

No different to the left you excoriate then. You've pledged mindless support for the state. There are no conditions in the pledge.

The modern American left's loyalty is to the Democratic Party and to the state.

 

[cnm]

My first loyalty is to my fellow Americans,

Broken your pledge to the state already, eh? Oh well.

 

[cnm]

The pledge of allegiance was indoctrinated into all of us. I haven't said it in many, many years. It's symbolic.

Oh, right. Repeated by rote, not meaning a word of it. Fair enough.

 

[K9Buck]

You've pledged mindless support for the state.

You're talking out of your ass with comments like that. I've been very critical of both Trump and of U.S. policy countless times.

On the contrary, it is you who have demonstrated "mindless" support of the Democratic Party.

 

[cnm]

The pledge of allegiance was indoctrinated into all of us.

Sounds fascist.

 

[K9Buck]

Oh, right. Repeated by rote, not meaning a word of it. Fair enough.

So someone who pledges allegiance to the flag, while simultaneously advocating for limited government, is a "mindless" servant of the state?

 

[K9Buck]

Sounds fascist.

It's not necessarily "fascist", but it is indoctrination. Of course, your response is rhetorical. You love leftist ideology and cannot accept that you and your ideological comrades in the Democratic Party are the closest thing to fascism in America today. Congratulations.

 

[cnm]

You're talking out of your ass with comments like that. I've been very critical of both Trump and of U.S. policy countless times.

Broken your pledge to the Republic, eh?