The left sure respect the beliefs of others and religious freedom don't they?

[bodecea]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

Full disclosure - I'm a catholic and lean Right. I agree with religious rights, etc. BUT...

I never really agreed that people should be able to refuse service such as baking a cake. What if I owned a hardware store in a small town and a same-sex couple walked in to buy supplies for their house? What if I owned the only gas station in town? Could I refuse service to same sex couples? I understand a cake isn't a necessity and most likely there are other bakers. The issue is where do you draw the line? Who decides what is a necessity and what's fair? See where I'm going with this? If anyone could refuse service based on religious reasons then I could refuse to sell someone food even if I'm the only store in town open at the time.

Honestly, as a Christian I don't get how baking is against MY religious beliefs. I'm not the one walking down the aisle, nor am I practicing same sex marriage. I'm merely not denying someone a request that I would grant to anyone else. For lack of a better way to explain this... If God doesn't want same sex couples to marry then God will deal with it in the afterlife.

The free market should work that out. You either lean right or you want the government to dictate how you run your private business.

This is not about equal anything from the socialist side. It is another way for the socialists to grab more power by manipulating naive minds.

That is what it is and it all under this guise of "equality." Do not be naive and see their double standards as proof.

Then, if you do not believe in PA laws....work in YOUR state to get them repealed. Write your congressman, find an organization that lobbies to get rid of PA laws and donate time and money to them.

 

[martybegan]

You're unaware of a great many things... but then, you're a leftwing whackaloon.

It's not about cakes.... it;s about being forced to participate in something that is morally repugnant to oneself.

Bigotry, hidden behind religion.....is still bigotry

And is allowed in a free society, as long as government remains 100% neutral and ambivalent.

We don't serve negroes has not been allowed for 50 years

De jure, its still out there de facto. and the laws were needed because of the systemic nature of the local discrimination, and its overriding economic factors. Today, if a store here or there serving a non essential product tried the same thing 1) the black people in question would be able to find an easy substitute provider and 2) said business would probably be gone except in some truly rural backwaters.

Saying it could not happen today is not an answer

Conservative reaction to losing the fight against same sex marriage resulted in a similar response to losing on Civil Rights......the court may say they have a right, but I'll be damned if I will serve them

Conservative Republicans reacted immediately with bogus laws protecting religious freedom to discriminate

As long as government is neutral, there is not an issue. The laws were needed to crush the existing system in the South, where government discrimination went hand in hand, and mandated discrimination at the commerce level. It was systemic, and designed to eliminate any political and economic power blacks had. it was needed at the time to eliminate the systemic and inherent biases in the system.

It is not needed any longer, with exceptions given to certain critical or timely services and goods, and as a bulwark to prevent it becoming systemic once again.

 

[bodecea]

Weird thread! Since you want to ban people based on religion from coming to America. lol

Just the ones who pose a significant security and safety risk to America.

So just muslims. Nothing weird about it at all.

How are you going to determine who is a muslim and who is not?

 

[martybegan]

Who said it is up to government or yourself to decide a person's religious beliefs, or how the exercise it, in the absence of harm to others?

There is harm. There is no constitutional mechanism to apply degrees of harm to discrimination. You are either discriminated against, or you aren't.

Yes there is, its the application of strict scrutiny, and using the least invasive method to figure out the solution.

and just being discriminated against isn't harm, unless of course you are a weak willed progressive, then anything gives you the vapors.

Then you tell us how much a business, open to the public, can discriminate against a person of color before it becomes unlawful discrimination.

Show us where the line is.

First of all, the cases where the bakers are being ruined weren't about them just being gay, it was about the cake being for a gay wedding.

2nd, the line is at the point where the market can not handle a just outcome by itself.

In other words you can't show the line you claim exists. It doesn't matter btw if the cake was for a gay wedding. As a baker or a wedding caterer you do not retain the legal right to write your own discrimination privileges.

I have constantly defined the line, you just want it defined as "do what we want or else".

And again, I fail to see where you give up your rights simply by going into business.

 

[BlindBoo]

Unless you refuse to bake a cake.

I am unaware of any religion that considers cake baking to be a religious rite

You're unaware of a great many things... but then, you're a leftwing whackaloon.

It's not about cakes.... it;s about being forced to participate in something that is morally repugnant to oneself.

Forcing a baker open to the pubic to ......... bake for the pubic.....in certain states.

 

[Theowl32]

I don't have the patience to explain to the unreal pawns of their socialists how the market should handle the whole situation.

How the fuck you can be on the side of a government that forces a private business to go against their beliefs is fucking unreal.

I have mentioned it before. I am not white and there was a bar close to my house that would not serve me.

Did I cry? Did I call a cop? Did I call a lawya? No, no and no. They did not get get my patronage. Everyone knew about the place and nobody went in there. They have since went out of business.

You know all of those private clubs the elite liberals belong to? Like the Beverly Hills club? Don't they discriminate against the poor? They don't?

You fucking left wing losers are too stupid to see you are nothing but pawns. Too bad. Fuckinglosers.