The left continues to show their racism - NY Prioritizing non-whites for covid treatment.

[eagle1462010]

It should be based on medical triage and not color...........Stupidity in motion.

Those more serious and survivable should be first.

 

[jc456]

It should be based on medical triage and not color...........Stupidity in motion.

Those more serious and survivable should be first.

They’re allergic to logic

 

[themirrorthief]

Leftists continue with their racist ways, and they don't even hide this one.

New York says it will prioritize non-White people in distributing low supply of COVID-19 treatments​

New York says it will prioritize non-White people in distributing low supply of COVID-19 treatments

www.foxnews.com

In your face racism. Can't receive health care for Covid because of your race if you are white. If you are non vaccinated white person, they might start euthanizing you <sarcasm>.

it doesnt matter so few white people live in new york all intelligent folk are fleeing the welfare metropolis

 

[Coyote]

I asked another poster who said much the same thing this question.

If race was a factor in COVID bad outcomes, then why is Africa not suffering these same bad outcomes because they are faring far better than the West. Africa has many more black people than the US I would think and far inferior healthcare. If COVID is affecting black people more than white people in the US, I don't think it has anything to do with their skin color and more to do with health choices individuals are making that put themselves in higher risk groups for bad outcomes.

I think it can be a combination of things. There are metabolic differences among different ethnic/racial groups for example that can lead far more obesity. There are differences that can be genetic, environment, lifestyle, access to resources and healthcare, or a combination. Either way I don’t think it matters. It seems to me if you are formulating a public health policy, you base on what is in front of you, not what you imagine to be the causes of the differences. If you see the worst outcomes and death rates among certain groups, they should be prioritized right? So the elderly, pre existing conditions, blacks and Hispanics right?

 

[eagle1462010]

Sure, if you are in an overwelmed medical emergency like a war zone. But that isn’t the case Most of the time. Some hospitals have had to triage an color is not a factor.

Most of the overwelmed is caused by FEAR PORN. people going for more testing when they don't even feel sick........Brought to you BY PFIZER.

 

[jc456]

I think it can be a combination of things. There are metabolic differences among different ethnic/racial groups for example that can lead far more obesity. There are differences that can be genetic, environment, lifestyle, access to resources and healthcare, or a combination. Either way I don’t think it matters. It seems to me if you are formulating a public health policy, you base on what is in front of you, not what you imagine to be the causes of the differences. If you see the worst outcomes and death rates among certain groups, they should be prioritized right? So the elderly, pre existing conditions, blacks and Hispanics right?

But it isn’t race as was his point

 

[Concerned American]

The thread premise is a lie.

There is nothing ‘racist’ about addressing the fact that Americans of color are far more vulnerable to the virus.

“The coronavirus pandemic is having an impact all over the world, but a disturbing trend is evident in the U.S.: People of color, particularly African Americans, are experiencing more serious illness and death due to COVID-19 than white people.”

Coronavirus in African Americans and Other People of Color

People of color are getting sick and dying of COVID-19 more than whites. A health care equity expert offers facts and recommendations.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Why is your contention not proving to be true with African Africans. I guess those pampered African Americans are just not as healthy as those under privileged African Africans. Morons.

 

[jc456]

Why is your contention not proving to be true with African Africans. I guess those pampered African Americans are just not as healthy as those under privileged African Africans. Morons.

American blacks are inferior to everyone, didn’t you hear the demofks?

 

[Couchpotato]

I think it can be a combination of things. There are metabolic differences among different ethnic/racial groups for example that can lead far more obesity. There are differences that can be genetic, environment, lifestyle, access to resources and healthcare, or a combination. Either way I don’t think it matters. It seems to me if you are formulating a public health policy, you base on what is in front of you, not what you imagine to be the causes of the differences. If you see the worst outcomes and death rates among certain groups, they should be prioritized right? So the elderly, pre existing conditions, blacks and Hispanics right?

But it doesn't make logical sense that black people in the US are having bad outcomes that black people in African aren't having. All people here have better access to just about everything from healthcare to nutrition, better housing etc. There has to be something other than a genetic/racial predisposition that's causing what we are seeing in the data. Arbitrarily, making health decisions based on race that have no basis in medical facts, seems stupid. Especially if the resources we are expending are scarce. Wouldn't it be better to figure out the reasoning behind the discrepancy before withholding medical care to one subset of our society for another? We have the data, why aren't we doing deeper analysis of causation for these bad outcomes? Not to mention the fact that we obviously aren't treating the actual issue these people are having and pawning it off as well it's because you're not white. WTF is that?

 

[Coyote]

But it doesn't make logical sense that black people in the US are having bad outcomes that black people in African aren't having.

There could be a lot of reasons for that.

For example:

Evidence suggests the demographic age structure of sub-Saharan Africa is the leading factor of the low morbidity and mortality of COVID-19 compared to other regions of the world.

or

Studies from developed countries have demonstrated a higher risk of death in racialized communities, including those of African or South Asian descent.15 This predisposition is likely related to socioeconomic factors including poverty, crowding, and working in essential services. Therefore, overall environmental exposures are likely far more important than genetic exposures in disease susceptibility.

All people here have better access to just about everything from healthcare to nutrition, better housing etc. There has to be something other than a genetic/racial predisposition that's causing what we are seeing in the data. Arbitrarily, making health decisions based on race that have no basis in medical facts, seems stupid.

How is arbitrary if the evidence shows those racial communities in the US DO have worse Covid outcomes regardless of the reasons?

Especially if the resources we are expending are scarce. Wouldn't it be better to figure out the reasoning behind the discrepancy before withholding medical care to one subset of our society for another?

It takes a lot of time to figure those things out. Like years. In the meantime you have to treat people.

We have the data, why aren't we doing deeper analysis of causation for these bad outcomes?

We are, look at tbe article I linked to. That is just one of many.

Not to mention the fact that we obviously aren't treating the actual issue these people are having and pawning it off as well it's because you're not white. WTF is that?

Treating the actual issues is a hell of a lot more complicated and politically charged.

 

[jc456]

But it doesn't make logical sense that black people in the US are having bad outcomes that black people in African aren't having. All people here have better access to just about everything from healthcare to nutrition, better housing etc. There has to be something other than a genetic/racial predisposition that's causing what we are seeing in the data. Arbitrarily, making health decisions based on race that have no basis in medical facts, seems stupid. Especially if the resources we are expending are scarce. Wouldn't it be better to figure out the reasoning behind the discrepancy before withholding medical care to one subset of our society for another? We have the data, why aren't we doing deeper analysis of causation for these bad outcomes? Not to mention the fact that we obviously aren't treating the actual issue these people are having and pawning it off as well it's because you're not white. WTF is that?

It’s black inferiority complex by demofks

 

[Concerned American]

There could be a lot of reasons for that.

For example:

Evidence suggests the demographic age structure of sub-Saharan Africa is the leading factor of the low morbidity and mortality of COVID-19 compared to other regions of the world.

or

Studies from developed countries have demonstrated a higher risk of death in racialized communities, including those of African or South Asian descent.15 This predisposition is likely related to socioeconomic factors including poverty, crowding, and working in essential services. Therefore, overall environmental exposures are likely far more important than genetic exposures in disease susceptibility.



How is arbitrary if the evidence shows those racial communities in the US DO have worse Covid outcomes regardless of the reasons?



It takes a lot of time to figure those things out. Like years. In the meantime you have to treat people.



We are, look at tbe article I linked to. That is just one of many.



Treating the actual issues is a hell of a lot more complicated and politically charged.

It sounds to me as you are now saying the problem is socio-economic, not race. There are people of every race, gender and creed in the same socio-economic environment that you are trying to isolate to just a couple of ethnic groups. The argument for providing care based on race fails on its face.

 

[Couchpotato]

There could be a lot of reasons for that.

For example:

Evidence suggests the demographic age structure of sub-Saharan Africa is the leading factor of the low morbidity and mortality of COVID-19 compared to other regions of the world.

or

Studies from developed countries have demonstrated a higher risk of death in racialized communities, including those of African or South Asian descent.15 This predisposition is likely related to socioeconomic factors including poverty, crowding, and working in essential services. Therefore, overall environmental exposures are likely far more important than genetic exposures in disease susceptibility.

Those aren't racial issues. You (and apparently NY) are trying to tie socio economic issues to race and then use that to decide to administer or not administer medical treatment. Can you not see how horribly racist that is? You're basically saying hey black guy your black and therefore poor, make poor lifestyle and health decisions. Here let me take care of you since you're clearly not able to take care of yourself. WTF? Can you imagine if we were doing the same thing only for white people? You all would be apoplectic. Are we saying that only nonwhite people are poor, live in the city and work in essential services?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Once again they are proving themselves complete idiots. If they want to target anyone they should be targeting the most vulnerable by age and medical condition.

That is the only correct path.

 

[Coyote]

Those aren't racial issues. You (and apparently NY) are trying to tie socio economic issues to race and then use that to decide to administer or not administer medical treatment. Can you not see how horribly racist that is? You're basically saying hey black guy your black and therefore poor, make poor lifestyle and health decisions. Here let me take care of you since you're clearly not able to take care of yourself. WTF? Can you imagine if we were doing the same thing only for white people? You all would be apoplectic. Are we saying that only nonwhite people are poor, live in the city and work in essential services?

You have to deal with what is in front of you first, and that is how do you prioritize treatment if resources are scarce.

How would you do that?

 

[Coyote]

Once again they are proving themselves complete idiots. If they want to target anyone they should be targeting the most vulnerable by age and medical condition.

How do you determine who is the most vulnerable? These groups have been shown to be at increased risk for bad Covid outcomes.

Those over 65.
Those with preexisting health conditions that make them more likely to become critically ill.
Blacks and Hispanics.

There may well be other factors among blacks and Hispanics such cardiovascular issues, obesity, lack of access to good healthcare, or work in occupations where there is more crowding such as meat processing plants - but how are you going to sort all that out in a short amount of time?

 

[ClaireH]

I asked another poster who said much the same thing this question.

If race was a factor in COVID bad outcomes, then why is Africa not suffering these same bad outcomes because they are faring far better than the West. Africa has many more black people than the US I would think and far inferior healthcare. If COVID is affecting black people more than white people in

The data shows exactly that:

Short version: health/lifestyle choices = increased likelihood of comorbitities = ^ Risk. Genetics play a role in diabetes and obesity, but not all cases.

Long version: “A total of 34 eligible studies were identified. In patients with severe/fatal COVID-19, the most prevalent chronic comorbidities were obesity (42%, 95% CI 34-49%) and hypertension (40%, 95% CI 35-45%), followed by diabetes (17%, 95% CI 15-20%), cardiovascular disease (13%, 95% CI 11-15%), respiratory disease (8%, 95% CI 6-10%), cerebrovascular disease (6%, 95% CI 4-8%), malignancy (4%, 95% CI 3-6%), kidney disease (3%, 95% CI 2-4%), and liver disease (2%, 95% CI 1-3%). In order of the prediction, the pooled ORs of the comorbidities in patients with severe or fatal COVID-19 when compared to patients with non-severe/fatal COVID-19 were as follows: chronic respiratory disease, OR 3.56 (95% CI 2.87-4.41); hypertension, OR 3.17 (95% CI 2.46-4.08); cardiovascular disease, OR 3.13 (95% CI 2.65-3.70); kidney disease, OR 3.02 (95% CI 2.23-4.08); cerebrovascular disease, OR 2.74 (95% CI 1.59-4.74); malignancy, OR 2.73 (95% CI 1.73-4.21); diabetes, OR 2.63 (95% CI 2.08-3.33); and obesity, OR 1.72 (95% CI 1.04-2.85). No correlation was observed between liver disease and COVID-19 aggravation (OR 1.54, 95% CI 0.95-2.49).”

Comorbidities and the risk of severe or fatal outcomes associated with coronavirus disease 2019: A systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

Chronic comorbidities, including obesity, hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cerebrovascular disease, respiratory disease, kidney disease, and malignancy are clinical risk factors for a severe or fatal outcome associated with COVID-19, with obesity being the most prevalent and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Concerned American]

There may well be other factors among blacks and Hispanics such cardiovascular issues, obesity, lack of access to good healthcare, or work in occupations where there is more crowding such as meat processing plants - but how are you going to sort all that out in a short amount of time?

People of every ethnicity are subject to every one of those issues you have listed. Triage by condition has never taken ethnicity into account as a deciding factor and to do so is blatantly racist.

 

[Coyote]

People of every ethnicity are subject to every one of those issues you have listed. Triage by condition has never taken ethnicity into account as a deciding factor and to do so is blatantly racist.

True, but if the data shows that those groups have a higher overall mortality then those groups need to be part of the triage.

 

[jc456]

Those aren't racial issues. You (and apparently NY) are trying to tie socio economic issues to race and then use that to decide to administer or not administer medical treatment. Can you not see how horribly racist that is? You're basically saying hey black guy your black and therefore poor, make poor lifestyle and health decisions. Here let me take care of you since you're clearly not able to take care of yourself. WTF? Can you imagine if we were doing the same thing only for white people? You all would be apoplectic. Are we saying that only nonwhite people are poor, live in the city and work in essential services?

Demofks got to have blacks oppressed! Know that