The laws of nature existed before space and time

[trevorjohnson83]

anyone at all have anything to say about red shift that is the proof? or are these nutter branches from it so far out they have nothing to do with anything?

 

[alang1216]

I'm pretty sure you already rejected it multiple times without any evidence to do so.

But if you want we can discuss it in the bull ring.

No thanks since it doesn't sound like you have anything new and neither do I.

 

[ReinyDays]

If you can't reason about this stuff you at least have the mind to ridicule it? talk about that duck that drinks water over and over again from the weight of water inside the glass

I bet it makes more sense then inflation talk and more worth our time.

Your duck here is wrong ... do you see what's missing? ...

 

[ding]

The CMB radiation is from hydrogen converting from a plasma to a gas ... as the universe cooled ... any and all photons generated in the plasma was immediately absorbed ... hydrogen plasma is opaque to EM ... hydrogen gas is transparent at most wavelengths ... what we see, what our equipment measures is photons ...

Incorrect. It's the radiation from matter / antimatter mutual annihilations. e=mc^2

 

[ding]

The universe is already 300,000 years old ... CMB is only evidence of that point in the universe's history forward ... all information from before is lost, at least as far as EM ... once we go full scale with LIGO, the hope is the gravity waves will provide us with more information ... provide answers to all these lingering questions and generate more questions ...

There's a wall out there that we can't see past ... past which it's totally dark and void and without any light of any kind ... like a house cat's soul ...

The Early Universe

Maybe read up on this.

 

[ding]

No thanks since it doesn't sound like you have anything new and neither do I.

Wise decision. Maybe next time don't tee it up.

 

[ReinyDays]

The Early Universe

Maybe read up on this.

Did you really post a citation that utterly condemns the OP ... way to go Fitz, way to go ...

Table 27.1 ... "physics unknown" ... infinity isn't a number, the Law of Physics cannot account for that value ... remember you mantra from your freshman year ... as delta approaches x, epsilon approaches y ... and she got tensor and tensor ...

We need a QM weenie to explain why singularities are impossible ... if all the photons from this era have condensed into matter/antimatter ... by the proportion E=mc^2 ... then there are no photons still in existence today ... scroll down your link to "Early Universe" ... first half dozen bullet points ...

CMB is picometer radiation ... it becomes two-foot radiation after 14.7 billion years of expansion ...

 

[ding]

Did you really post a citation that utterly condemns the OP ... way to go Fitz, way to go ...

Table 27.1 ... "physics unknown" ... infinity isn't a number, the Law of Physics cannot account for that value ... remember you mantra from your freshman year ... as delta approaches x, epsilon approaches y ... and she got tensor and tensor ...

We need a QM weenie to explain why singularities are impossible ... if all the photons from this era have condensed into matter/antimatter ... by the proportion E=mc^2 ... then there are no photons still in existence today ... scroll down your link to "Early Universe" ... first half dozen bullet points ...

CMB is picometer radiation ... it becomes two-foot radiation after 14.7 billion years of expansion ...

No, I didn't. I posted a link that confirmed it. You're playing small doesn't serve the world. Be better.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Your duck here is wrong ... do you see what's missing? ...

It doesn't have a tail?

 

[para bellum]

The same laws of nature which describe the creation of space and time also describe the evolution of space and time. Therefore, the laws of nature existed before space and time.

Specifically what laws of nature are you referring to?

I ask because the laws of physics are rooted in the 4 forces, and they were created after the Big Bang by symmetry breakings in the very early universe. Your link says when electromagnetism split off, etc.

3 of the 4 forces are unified, but gravity still eludes...

 

[trevorjohnson83]

ding what is cosmological red shift?

 

[ding]

Specifically what laws of nature are you referring to?

I ask because the laws of physics are rooted in the 4 forces, and they were created after the Big Bang by symmetry breakings in the very early universe. Your link says when electromagnetism split off, etc.

3 of the 4 forces are unified, but gravity still eludes...

All of them. The evidence for this is that the same laws that describe the evolution of space and time also describe the creation of space and time.

 

[ding]

ding what is cosmological red shift?

Evidence of an expanding universe.

 

[para bellum]

All of them. The evidence for this is that the same laws that describe the evolution of space and time also describe the creation of space and time.

That is a non-answer. Nothing in the laws of physics describe the creation of space and time- your link on the early universe even says as much.

Physics breaks down at the Big Bang, the 4 forces emerged (one at a time) as the universe cooled.

 

[Unkotare]

This argument apriori is pretty funny.

 

[ding]

That is a non-answer. Nothing in the laws of physics describe the creation of space and time- your link on the early universe even says as much.

Physics breaks down at the Big Bang, the 4 forces emerged (one at a time) as the universe cooled.

Not only is it an answer it has evidence for it and a world renowned cosmologist who states it.

 

[ReinyDays]

No, I didn't. I posted a link that confirmed it. You're playing small doesn't serve the world. Be better.

OP: "The same laws of nature which describe the creation of space and time also describe the evolution of space and time. Therefore, the laws of nature existed before space and time." ...

link: "Physics Unknown" ...

You're playing stupid ... not educated enough to be better ... go engineer us a better battery and let the adults adult ... infinite temperature violates all kinds of the Laws of Nature ... these things are just outside your skill-set ...

 

[ReinyDays]

It doesn't have a tail?

You need a little bit of cotton cloth on the nose ... so it gets wet and soaks up water ... as the water evaporates it cools the head bulb and condenses the ether vapor ... making the duck top-heavy and swing her down to the water, to soak the cloth again ...

A great demonstration of the latent heat of evaporation ... there's no meaningful difference in temperature in the system ... the duck's heat engine action is strictly due to latent heat, not thermal heat ...

 

[para bellum]

Not only is it an answer it has evidence for it and a world renowned cosmologist who states it.

Cosmology is not physics, it is metaphysics. It does not make testable predictions, it is not disprovable.

There is no such thing as "The Science". There is only the scientific method. Define a problem, formulate a hypothesis, test the hypothesis, measure the results, rinse and repeat.

The laws of physics are rooted in the 4 forces, which according to the standard model of cosmology (which is described in your "early universe" link) emerged after the Big Bang.

The standard model of cosmology is fine as far as it goes- it is the natural consequence of an expanding universe. But it does nothing to describe how space and time came into existence.

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Evidence of an expanding universe.

could you expand more on this 'evidence' of an expanding universe?