The Lakota and a shocking ending

[Seymour Flops]

You mean beside roads, schools, electricity, a legal system, medicine, and the Internet?

Yes, the White Man has given the Native People's many great gifts.

So, I don't know why any Democrat would be so concerned about sacred land that they didn't even consider theirs. Especially when they mock religion in most other circumstances.

BTW, the Black Hills are still there, sacred as they may be. The Lakota can still visit them. Is it that white people exist that sets them off so?

That last was for CrusaderFrank.

I think CF pictures indian women like this:

He's letting his fantasies get the better of him.

 

[fncceo]

Yes, the White Man has given the Native People's many great gifts.

So, I don't know why any Democrat would be so concerned about sacred land that they didn't even consider theirs. Especially when they mock religion in most other circumstances.

BTW, the Black Hills are still there, sacred as they may be. The Lakota can still visit them. Is it that white people exist that sets them off so?

That last was for CrusaderFrank.

I think CF pictures indian women like this:

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He's letting his fantasies get the better of him.

To be fair, when I do think about them… that’s how I picture them.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes, the White Man has given the Native People's many great gifts.

So, I don't know why any Democrat would be so concerned about sacred land that they didn't even consider theirs. Especially when they mock religion in most other circumstances.

BTW, the Black Hills are still there, sacred as they may be. The Lakota can still visit them. Is it that white people exist that sets them off so?

That last was for CrusaderFrank.

I think CF pictures indian women like this:

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He's letting his fantasies get the better of him.

Honoring sacred sites is no fantasy

 

[Seymour Flops]

Honoring sacred sites is no fantasy

You still have not explained how the Lakota are prevented from enjoying their sacred sites.

 

[Seymour Flops]

To be fair, when I do think about them… that’s how I picture them.

You jarred a memory. When I was a young Lieutenant, I went to Officer Basic Course and there was another young Lieutenant who was Native American. Her name was similar to "Sacagewea," but not exactly and it was spelled with several silent consonants. She had only one name until she got to high school and they recommended she pick a first name. She picked one similar to "Yvonne."

She was a hottie. Very cute face and an oversized chest. When she took off her BDU top leaving her in a t-shirt, and did the side straddle hop (jumping jacks) it was hard to concentrate on PT.

All the single guys were interested, but of course she chose a "separated" reserve lieutenant who was a cop in New York in civilian life. Being an active duty guy, I have no idea what the reservists did after OBC. She probably looks like this today:

But back then, she was hotter than that cartoon.

 

[mikegriffith1]

The Lakota were vicious, predatory thugs who inflicted untold suffering on many other Indian tribes. If any group of people deserved a harsh, terrible ending, it was the Lakota.

 

[westwall]

The Lakota were vicious, predatory thugs who inflicted untold suffering on many other Indian tribes. If any group of people deserved a harsh, terrible ending, it was the Lakota.

They were a people of their time. ALL successful cultures are aggressive. It has always been that way. The white man just figured out how to industrialize the suffering.

 

[Deadstick]

The Lakota were vicious, predatory thugs who inflicted untold suffering on many other Indian tribes. If any group of people deserved a harsh, terrible ending, it was the Lakota.

You sound like a nice Colonialist thug.

 

[whitehall]

Native American run gambling casinos get a tax break from Uncle Sam and rake in about 31 billion (that's billion with a B) every year while the descendants of Custer Soldiers probably mop their floors. Payback is a bitch.

 

[Mushroom]

Of course, a lot of that is modern revisionism and not real.

The Lakota did not originate in the Dakotas, they originated in Louisiana. It is correct they were the largest tribe of nomadic Indians, but they did not originate anywhere near the Dakotas. They had only migrated into that area about a century before they were forced onto a Reservation. At about the time of the American Revolution, they were first moving into that area from the Great Lakes area, pushing through Crow territory and starting to push out the Cheyenne.

This should be obvious, when one realizes the origin of the name they are most commonly known as, the "Sioux". That was an Ojibwa word meaning "Little Rattlesnake", that they had earned when fighting the Potawatomi in the area of modern Lake Michigan.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You still have not explained how the Lakota are prevented from enjoying their sacred sites.

Are you pretending to be dense?

What if the Lakota decided to carve images into the Vatican or the Wailing Wall? Would you still sound so sanctimoniously silly?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Are you pretending to be dense?

What if the Lakota decided to carve images into the Vatican or the Wailing Wall? Would you still sound so sanctimoniously silly?

But those sites are owned by the Catholic Church and the Israeli government.

The Lakota don't own anything, remember? Individual Lakota, having adopted the way of the European descended Americans own land, cars, businesses and maybe casinos. But their cultural tradition is that land cannot be owned. Should we respect that tradition or not?

Anyway, we carved some of our greatest men in history on one of the mountains of the Black Hills. That's an honor.

 

[Mushroom]

The Lakota were vicious, predatory thugs who inflicted untold suffering on many other Indian tribes. If any group of people deserved a harsh, terrible ending, it was the Lakota.

They were essentially the North American version of the Mongols. Or a pre-industrial biker gang.

In their roughly 500 years of nomadic wandering, they never settled down and called a place home. Wandering north from Louisiana, they kept moving up the Mississippi, fighting every single group they ran across. Until they finally bumped heads with the Three Fires Confederacy. Which being a confederation of three very closely related groups (Potawatomi, Ojibwe and Odawa) they were forced to turn West.

At which point they fought and pushed their way through the Chippewa, Crow, Cheyenne, and were starting to butt heads with the Arapaho and Shoshone when they were finally forced to settle down onto a reservation. Where as even most of the "nomadic" tribes had specific ranges that they would use for hundreds of years, the Lakota never settled down. They were always on the move, never once trying to settle into a single area. First always northward, until forced to turn westward. If not for the "Whites", they would likely be somewhere around the Columbia River outlet in Oregon-Washington today. And trying to decide if they should turn north or south, as they could not continue into the Pacific Ocean.

That is why I laugh at the claims the Black Hills were their "birthplace". We know for a fact they were originally of the Mississippian Culture in Louisiana, and moved north until defeated by the Potawatomi. Where they then turned west, and gained the nickname "Sioux". An insult, meaning "Little Rattlesnake" because they were believed to be vicious and untrustworthy.

 

[Mushroom]

What if the Lakota decided to carve images into the Vatican or the Wailing Wall?

They had occupied the area around the Black Hills for less than a century before "Americans" arrived in the area. A century before that they were in Illinois-Iowa. And before that Indiana. Before that, Kentucky-Missouri-Tennessee-Arkansas.

They were true nomads, and had not settled for any length of time in any area since the Mississippian Culture imploded in the late 14th - early 15th century.

 

[Mushroom]

The Lakota don't own anything, remember?

And that was not even "their land" in the first place. The Black Hills had long been the home of the Cheyenne. Less than a century before the Lakota had pushed them off of it, and they were still moving west. If Europeans had never arrived, they would have simply continued to move west, and would not be in the Black Hills anymore. They would have continued, pushing through the Shoshone, Blackfoot, Nez Pierce, and likely be fighting the Yakima and other coastal tribes right about now.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But those sites are owned by the Catholic Church and the Israeli government.

The Lakota don't own anything, remember? Individual Lakota, having adopted the way of the European descended Americans own land, cars, businesses and maybe casinos. But their cultural tradition is that land cannot be owned. Should we respect that tradition or not?

Anyway, we carved some of our greatest men in history on one of the mountains of the Black Hills. That's an honor.

So if they didn't "own" it, who did we "buy" it from?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Oh, yeah!

The Lakota are making out like fat rats!

Prairie Winds Casino & Hotel

Prairie Winds Casino in Pine Ridge, South Dakota is owned and operated by the Sioux Tribe and offers slot machines, table games, bingo, a restaurant, a coffee shop, and a hotel.

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Prairie Winds Casino​

Prairie Winds Casino is an Indian gaming casino owned by the Oglala Lakota Nation. The casino is located on the Pine Ridge Reservation about 10 minutes east of Oelrichs on Highway 18.

CrusaderFrank, do you know off the top of your if ten minutes east of Oelrichs, in Pine Ridge, South Dakota is sacred land? As sacred as the Vatican and the Wailing Wall, or more like as sacred as an Elvis wedding chapel or a televangelist's counting room?

Ok, I'll never go there, because they don't have real poker and they don't serve alcohol (I pay for our vacation trips by playing poker with guys slamming free drinks).

Prairie Winds opened in 1994 and features 400 slot machines, two restaurants and an 80-room hotel.

Open 24 hours daily
Smoking and non-smoking gaming sections
Casino does not serve alcohol

382 Slot Machines

Game Tables
Blackjack, Roulette, Craps, Three Card Poker, Ultimate Texas Hold'em
Hours of Operation:

• Weekdays open 2pm till Close
• Weekdends open 11am till Close
• Monday - Tuesday Closed

But I say, more power to 'em! The libertarian in me wants anyone of any descent to be able to open a casino, but since I know the Christians and the progressives won't stand for it, I'm glad the injuns can do it.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So if they didn't "own" it, who did we "buy" it from?

We didn't buy it. We gave them money in exchange for their agreement not to murder farmer families.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We didn't buy it. We gave them money in exchange for their agreement not to murder farmer families.

So we didn't own it either?

 

[Seymour Flops]

So we didn't own it either?

Not until we claimed it as a territory.

That's how all land ends up being owned. The king/government claims a territory, and then sells or grants pieces of it as private property.

Absent government, there is no land ownership. That's why the Lakota didn't used to understand land ownership, nor desire it. They had tribal leadership, but not government.

Will you answer the one about the sacred casino anytime soon?