The Kremlin is lying about its invasion of Ukraine. It is throttling independent journalism and freedom of speech to try to kill the truth.

[Litwin]

Yes, that perfectly describes our Democrats.

no, that perfectly describes the pig- traitors like these 2 gay bears

 

[Litwin]

There is no Donbas, just like there was no Confederacy. The people rooting for separation are Russian imports, not Ukrainian citizens living in that region. NATO is not recruiting ex-Warsaw Pact countries, those countries are begging to join NATO out of fear of an expansionist Russia run by Putin. Russia has been invading its peaceful neighbors since 2014, no one has attacked Russia or tried to annex its territory.

not the first time

 

[Litwin]

Russkies

any comment on this ?

 

[theHawk]

So, Obama made a right thing then allowing Russia to seize Crimea and part of the Donbas. Why are you complaining?

I’m not.

 

[theHawk]

no, that perfectly describes the pig- traitors like these 2 gay bears


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Hey dummy, the t-shirt is just saying the Democrats are worse than Russians. Which is 100% true.

 

[theHawk]

any comment on this ?

Isn’t calling the other side “Nazis” the exact same thing Democrats do here?

Thing is, Ukraine does have a history of being friendly with the Nazis. Their national hero Bandera was a Nazi collaborator.

 

[ESay]

Isn’t calling the other side “Nazis” the exact same thing Democrats do here?

Thing is, Ukraine does have a history of being friendly with the Nazis. Their national hero Bandera was a Nazi collaborator.

As well as the Baltic states, Hungary and Croatia, to name the few. But you seem to have no problems with that.

 

[theHawk]

As well as the Baltic states, Hungary and Croatia, to name the few. But you seem to have no problems with that.

Are those other countries acting like Nazis, overthrowing their elected governments, or provoking wars?

 

[ESay]

Are those other countries acting like Nazis, overthrowing their elected governments, or provoking wars?

Read about Croatia in the early 90s. You will find much new for yourself.

 

[Litwin]

other side “Nazis”

watch this :

 

[gipper]

So, Obama made a right thing then allowing Russia to seize Crimea and part of the Donbas. Why are you complaining?

A better question is, why did no one care about Ukraine’s sovereignty when O, Joe, and Nuland took it in 2014?

 

[ESay]

A better question is, why did no one care about Ukraine’s sovereignty when O, Joe, and Nuland took it in 2014?

I would put in into another perspective. They just supported one of the groups in internal civil conflict.

 

[gipper]

I would put in into another perspective. They just supported one of the groups in internal civil conflict.

No.

They overthrew a democratically elected government, causing a number of deaths at the time and thousands of deaths in the Donbas over time. They did this because they wanted a government that pursued confrontational relations with Moscow, in the hopes a war would start to enrich their donors in the MIC and harm Russia in the hopes of overthrowing Putin.

 

[ESay]

No.

They overthrew a democratically elected government, causing a number of deaths at the time and thousands of deaths in the Donbas over time. They did this because they wanted a government that pursued confrontational relations with Moscow, in the hopes a war would start to enrich their donors in the MIC and harm Russia in the hopes of overthrowing Putin.

The Euromaidan was caused by internal divisions, first and foremost. I don't exclude external involvement, of course. But this involvement put a seed in a cultivated soil.

The first phase of the Euromaidan happened in 2004, see the Orange revolution. According to Russian propaganda, it also was caused by foreign influence.

 

[gipper]

The Euromaidan was caused by internal divisions, first and foremost. I don't exclude external involvement, of course. But this involvement put a seed in a cultivated soil.

The first phase of the Euromaidan happened in 2004, see the Orange revolution. According to Russian propaganda, it also was caused by foreign influence.

Agreed. However had the US vocally opposed regime change rather than instigate and support it, it might not have happened. Leaving thousands of Ukrainians and Russians alive.

 

[ESay]

Agreed. However had the US vocally opposed regime change rather than instigate and support it, it might not have happened. Leaving thousands of Ukrainians and Russians alive.

It wasn't possible, this conflict was inevitable. Half of the country opposed a union with Russia the Yanukovich administration switched to. As I said above, the Euromaidan was caused by internal divisions, first and foremost.

 

[Litwin]

O, Joe, and Nuland took it in 2014?

ivan, you are lying as usual. but its ok for a chechen hole.

the reality :

 

[gipper]

It wasn't possible, this conflict was inevitable. Half of the country opposed a union with Russia the Yanukovich administration switched to. As I said above, the Euromaidan was caused by internal divisions, first and foremost.

Maybe but again, without US support the coup likely doesn’t happen. The Ukrainian government is and has been terribly corrupt. It’s dependent on support from the west, like old Joe gave it when he was vp, to survive.

Besides Yanukovich campaigned on good relations with Russia and won. So, your conclusion may be wrong.

 

[gipper]

ivan, you are lying as usual. but its ok for a chechen hole.

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the reality :

Zelensky has fired more of his internal security personnel, Ukrainian POWs don't want to be returned to Ukraine because they will be returned to front & abandoned. What a sad & pathetic war created by U.S. opportunism & ineptitude.

 

[ESay]

Maybe but again, without US support the coup likely doesn’t happen. The Ukrainian government is and has been terribly corrupt. It’s dependent on support from the west, like old Joe gave it when he was vp, to survive.

Besides Yanukovich campaigned on good relations with Russia and won. So, your conclusion may be wrong.

Ukraine was politically divided. Central and Western parts mostly supporting the Western vector and Tymoshenko, Southern and Eastern parts supporting close ties with Russia and Yanukovych. In the run-off, a gap between the candidates was only 3% or so.