The Joys of State Run Healthcare

[ScorpioRising007]

Maybe you can explain something to me. Why is it that the very healthcare system we provide for our Military Members is somehow unAmerican, an abomination, Socialist, or whatever when we talk about the civilians? Military members go to Government paid Doctors, Government run Hospitals, and don’t pay anything for the services.

Are you saying we provide terrible medical care to those willing to sacrifice their lives and limbs for our Nation?

Very true I have known many veterans who received excellent service at VA hospitals. I know a veteran who actually doesn't go to private doctors because he says the VA doctors are better. He actually prefers them.

It is a total myth that is floating around that VA hospitals and VA doctors are bad. I know many veterans who love the VA and praise the doctors there. Why do people want to paint the VA as bad? Simple answer they are anti-socialized medicine. They can't admit that socialized medicine actually works and is a much better system than the private sector.

 

[westwall]

Got one better.

US hospitals are so overloaded that one ER called 911 on itself

Patients are reporting crowded waiting rooms and hours-long wait times.

arstechnica.com

VA patient called while in the waiting room of the ER.

Distraught patient calls 911 from ER

VA patient Robin Harrison said she waited two hours with debilitating stomach cramps before calling 911

www.ems1.com

If you imagine our system is awesome and doesn’t have problems. You are not just delusional. But you are so ill informed as to be a poster boy for what ignorance looks like.

You can thank the flood of illegal aliens for that. They are driving hospitals nationwide into bankruptcy.

Thanks Joe biden!

 

[SavannahMann]

You can thank the flood of illegal aliens for that. They are driving hospitals nationwide into bankruptcy.

Thanks Joe biden!

120 hospitals closed during Trump’s administration.

How Trump’s Sabotage of Health Care and Failure to Get the Coronavirus Under Control Has Devastated Rural America — Protect Our Care

Rural Americans are especially vulnerable to the coronavirus pandemic due to higher prevalence of pre-existing conditions, lower coverage rates, and other barriers to accessing health care. As the virus has...

www.protectourcare.org

Was that because Trump was great, or awful?

 

[SavannahMann]

Very true I have known many veterans who received excellent service at VA hospitals. I know a veteran who actually doesn't go to private doctors because he says the VA doctors are better. He actually prefers them.

It is a total myth that is floating around that VA hospitals and VA doctors are bad. I know many veterans who love the VA and praise the doctors there. Why do people want to paint the VA as bad? Simple answer they are anti-socialized medicine. They can't admit that socialized medicine actually works and is a much better system than the private sector.

I was thinking more of Active Duty, but the VA also applies.

We don’t consider service related injuries or illnesses as Workman’s Comp. We have whole hospitals and extensive medical facilities at every military base for the troops. They manage the routine and the traumatic with similar speed and attention.

At Fort Bragg excellent orthopedic surgeons get too much practice thanks to the numerous jump injuries. Trauma Specialists get lots of practice in normal training accidents.

The Navy has medical staff on larger ships, and on smaller ships well trained Medics are provided.

Why don’t we abolish these and leave injuries to workman’s comp? Why not just let the troops pay for their own medical care? Because we old Soldiers believe as a matter of faith that we take care of our own.

As far as the VA. I have a number of friends who use them almost exclusively. They feel the VA had the experience with service related injury and ailments. What may be a first for a Civilian Doctor, is probably routine for one who sees a lot of old soldiers.

 

[Captain Caveman]

However ghastly that story is , it is just one patient story among millions .
From my own perspective , plus from a handful others whom I know personally , I can only give you 100% opposite reports .
I am not here to defend the NHS , UK , but speaking as I find it , I could not have had wished for better service than I have received at all levels .

You always hear the bad news, never the good news. The entire NHS makes 570 million personal contacts a year, some 1 million every 36 hours. And just like anything, it doesn't go to plan.

I've never ever had a problem in over 50 years of using the NHS, I even paid private once for an MRI scan on my back.

So I'll go by those stats and the NHS any day of the week. Unfortunately, society produces haters and one story is enough to fuel their hate.

If take the likes of America's healthcare, thousands die per year from blunders.

 

[luiza]

You always hear the bad news, never the good news. The entire NHS makes 570 million personal contacts a year, some 1 million every 36 hours. And just like anything, it doesn't go to plan.

I've never ever had a problem in over 50 years of using the NHS, I even paid private once for an MRI scan on my back.

So I'll go by those stats and the NHS any day of the week. Unfortunately, society produces haters and one story is enough to fuel their hate.

If take the likes of America's healthcare, thousands die per year from blunders.

I used to follow John Rappoport and he repeatedly said Doctor's failings/ misdiagnoses etc were the third highest cause of death in the Land of the Fatties .

Our Achilles heel presently is staff shortages at every single level . Fortunately our extra brain power compared again to the Land of the Fatties gets us through .

 

[westwall]

120 hospitals closed during Trump’s administration.

How Trump’s Sabotage of Health Care and Failure to Get the Coronavirus Under Control Has Devastated Rural America — Protect Our Care

Rural Americans are especially vulnerable to the coronavirus pandemic due to higher prevalence of pre-existing conditions, lower coverage rates, and other barriers to accessing health care. As the virus has...

www.protectourcare.org

Was that because Trump was great, or awful?

And even more during this shit storm.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I used to follow John Rappoport and he repeatedly said Doctor's failings/ misdiagnoses etc were the third highest cause of death in the Land of the Fatties .

Our Achilles heel presently is staff shortages at every single level . Fortunately our extra brain power compared again to the Land of the Fatties gets us through .

The Land of the Fatties, lol. Brilliant.

I know at my local hospital many a moon ago, they didn't replace two front line staff and then hired and paid that combined wage to one statistician to collect the stats on the hospital.

I also know that dedicated sterilised kits specific to the different types of operations can often stolen by staff, hence why some ops are cancelled. A mate I knew in the hospital pointed out how money is wasted. He said, "If anyone thinks the NHS is underfunded, think again, money is wasted left right and centre". I wonder how staff's bedsheets at home are stamped with the NHS symbol?

The servicing the PFI debt uses finance too.

The NHS needs more background staff axed, and front line staff hired. In general, welfare needs brought down, people need to get back to work. Efficiencies needs worked on, plus theft reduction. After the PFI contracts end, get the relevant hospitals compulsory purchased.

And as I pointed out to our resident Tommy Tithead, different countries spend different percentages of GDP on their healthcare and receive different levels of results. Germany spends a greater amount and the UK delivers better results.

Forever and a day, Labourites always claim the NHS is crap, they repeat it that often, the bakes believe it and they convince the gullible.

But as fir the American system, it's below third world level.

 

[Zincwarrior]

One needs to only observe Canada and the UK to learn what government run healthcare is about.

Neglected Parkinson's patient, 73, calls 999 for help... from his own hospital bed after being denied painkillers because he was 'not a priority'​

The 73-year-old was denied pain relief because of staff shortages and even left lying in his own urine during his horrifying eight-month stay in hospital, he claimed. Other patients nearby were also shouting and screaming for help.

At one point Mr Wild, who also has Parkinson's, told his wife: 'If I am going to die in this hospital, let it be soon.'

A doctor who assessed Mr Wild described him as being 'the most neglected patient I have ever seen'.

'Most neglected' patient, 73, calls 999 for help from his hospital bed

Martin Wild was denied pain relief because of staff shortages and left lying in his own urine during his horrifying eight-month stay at Salford Royal Hospital, he claimed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Beats no healthcare. AKA REPUBLICAN PLAN.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Beats no healthcare. AKA REPUBLICAN PLAN.

And we torture kittens too.

Your dumbass strawmen are a joke we all laugh at.

 

[westwall]

Beats no healthcare. AKA REPUBLICAN PLAN.

Your army of straw is as useless as you are.

 

[SavannahMann]

And even more during this shit storm.

I know. You don’t care about facts or truth. Trump is great. Just take that as a given and ignore the actual results.

 

[westwall]

I know. You don’t care about facts or truth. Trump is great. Just take that as a given and ignore the actual results.

The sad thing is, the facts prove you wrong.

 

[SavannahMann]

The sad thing is, the facts prove you wrong.

I keep hearing that. I pointed out that more than a hundred hospitals closed while Trump was in office. And all I got was a claim, with no proof, they more had closed for Biden.

I keep hearing how Facts prove this or that. But nobody ever wants to post those facts. I’m just supposed to take your word for it. Ok. Seems legit. Or something.

 

[westwall]

I keep hearing that. I pointed out that more than a hundred hospitals closed while Trump was in office. And all I got was a claim, with no proof, they more had closed for Biden.

I keep hearing how Facts prove this or that. But nobody ever wants to post those facts. I’m just supposed to take your word for it. Ok. Seems legit. Or something.

Oh, poor little dupe...

Chapter 11 bankruptcies spiked across healthcare in 2023, particularly for hospitals​

2023 was the biggest year for healthcare Chapter 11 bankruptcy filings in the past half-decade, according to a new research report from Gibbins Advisors.

The restructuring advisory firm spotted 79 filings with liabilities of $10 million or more across healthcare-related sectors such as hospitals, practices, pharmaceuticals, medical equipment suppliers, lab services and senior care.






That total is more than 1.7 times the volume seen in 2022 and more than three times that of 2021, two years that Gibbins characterized as having “very few filings.” It was also 1.5 times higher than 2019, the second-highest calendar year included in the firm’s five-year review.




A fair share of those bankruptcy filings, 28, were larger organizations with more than $100 million in liabilities, Gibbins wrote in the report (PDF). This was also a jump over 2022’s seven large filings and 2021’s eight.

Chapter 11 bankruptcies spiked across healthcare in 2023, particularly for hospitals

2023 was the biggest year for healthcare Chapter 11 bankruptcy filings in the past half-decade, according to a new research report from Gibbins Advisors. | There were 79 bankruptcy filings across healthcare-related sectors last year, 12 of which were hospitals. Those are both up from 2022's 46...

www.fiercehealthcare.com

 

[Zincwarrior]

And even more during this shit storm.

Yes it sucks to live in flyover country.

 

[ScorpioRising007]

I was thinking more of Active Duty, but the VA also applies.

We don’t consider service related injuries or illnesses as Workman’s Comp. We have whole hospitals and extensive medical facilities at every military base for the troops. They manage the routine and the traumatic with similar speed and attention.

At Fort Bragg excellent orthopedic surgeons get too much practice thanks to the numerous jump injuries. Trauma Specialists get lots of practice in normal training accidents.

The Navy has medical staff on larger ships, and on smaller ships well trained Medics are provided.

Why don’t we abolish these and leave injuries to workman’s comp? Why not just let the troops pay for their own medical care? Because we old Soldiers believe as a matter of faith that we take care of our own.

As far as the VA. I have a number of friends who use them almost exclusively. They feel the VA had the experience with service related injury and ailments. What may be a first for a Civilian Doctor, is probably routine for one who sees a lot of old soldiers.

Very true. I come from a family of service men. Many generations of men in our family served in the armed forces.

 

[SavannahMann]

Oh, poor little dupe...

Chapter 11 bankruptcies spiked across healthcare in 2023, particularly for hospitals​

2023 was the biggest year for healthcare Chapter 11 bankruptcy filings in the past half-decade, according to a new research report from Gibbins Advisors.

The restructuring advisory firm spotted 79 filings with liabilities of $10 million or more across healthcare-related sectors such as hospitals, practices, pharmaceuticals, medical equipment suppliers, lab services and senior care.






That total is more than 1.7 times the volume seen in 2022 and more than three times that of 2021, two years that Gibbins characterized as having “very few filings.” It was also 1.5 times higher than 2019, the second-highest calendar year included in the firm’s five-year review.




A fair share of those bankruptcy filings, 28, were larger organizations with more than $100 million in liabilities, Gibbins wrote in the report (PDF). This was also a jump over 2022’s seven large filings and 2021’s eight.

Chapter 11 bankruptcies spiked across healthcare in 2023, particularly for hospitals

2023 was the biggest year for healthcare Chapter 11 bankruptcy filings in the past half-decade, according to a new research report from Gibbins Advisors. | There were 79 bankruptcy filings across healthcare-related sectors last year, 12 of which were hospitals. Those are both up from 2022's 46...

www.fiercehealthcare.com

That isn’t hospital closing numbers. It is companies declaring bankruptcy. It doesn’t mean the hospital closed.

Now Biden is trying to get more funding for hospitals.

Biden-Harris Administration Takes Action to Expand Access to Emergency Care Services in Rural Communities | CMS

CMS proposes new rule that creates a pathway for rural hospitals and critical access hospitals to increase access to emergency and outpatient care

www.cms.gov

Why didn’t Trump when more than a hundred closed?

 

[SavannahMann]

Very true. I come from a family of service men. Many generations of men in our family served in the armed forces.

I am also an old Soldier with personal experience with Military Medicine.

 

[AZrailwhale]

People going bankrupt to afford medical care.

Breaking Bad if it was filmed in England. High School Chemistry Teacher Walter White finds out he has Cancer. He goes to the treatments and has the cancer cured.

Not much of a TV show though is it?

From what I've understood, in the UK he would be diagnosed, then put on a waiting list and would probably die before he received treatment.