The Iran War, Trump's Idea or Netanyahu's?

[Billiejeens]

Jesus Christ, you have gone off the phucking deep end.

Completely gone

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jesus Christ, you have gone off the phucking deep end.

Completely gone

One day, you'll wake from your MAGA stupor and realize you were conned into following a genuine psychopath who recently openly admitted he doesn't care about the American people

Trump: We have a deal with Iran
Ben Gvir: No you don't
Trump: We're still negotiating

 

[Bad Bob]

One day, you'll wake from your MAGA stupor and realize you were conned into following a genuine psychopath who recently openly admitted he doesn't care about the American people

Trump: We have a deal with Iran
Ben Gvir: No you don't
Trump: We're still negotiating

Agreed.....although a lot of MAGAts are morons and, as the wise man said, "You can't fix stupid".

 

[0311]

Trump is easily controlled with a combination of flattery, trinkets and money. The more money the better. I suspect Bibi offered Trump lucrative beach properties in Gaza in exchange for attacking Iran.

You left out Saudi Arabia, who also urged this attack...probably with a billion or so in crypto to incentivize Trump.

47 worships money.

 

[Bad Bob]

47 worships money.

Agreed. He's a mammon-worshiper. So much so that he's trading American lives for mammon AKA crypto.

 

[Billiejeens]

One day, you'll wake from your MAGA stupor and realize you were conned into following a genuine psychopath who recently openly admitted he doesn't care about the American people

Trump: We have a deal with Iran
Ben Gvir: No you don't
Trump: We're still negotiating

You need better sources.

 

[skye]

His idea.

He has been itching for a war with Iran for almost half a century, and finally he found a President who could go along with his madness.

Shame on Trump, to think that I respected him so much in the past, not anymore.

 

[Bad Bob]

He did!

He has been itching for a war with Iran for almost half a century, and finally he found a President who could go along with his madness.

Shame on Trump, to think that I respected him so much in the past, not anymore.


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Trump has proven several times over that he can be bought. I have no doubt Bibi and MbS gave Trump a very lucrative enticement to go to war.

 

[BackAgain]

One day, you'll wake from your MAGA stupor and realize you were conned into following a genuine psychopath who recently openly admitted he doesn't care about the American people

That’s not what he said. Come on. You’re allowed to change you mind about Trump and his views. But talking shit isn’t a good way to go about it.

You are capable of being fair and objective.

Here is what he actually said with the question he was responding to:

The reporter’s question was essentially:

“Are you considering Americans’ financial situation as you negotiate with Iran?”

President Trump’s response was:

“I don’t think about Americans’ financial situation when I’m negotiating with Iran. The only thing I think about is they can’t have a nuclear weapon.”

Yes. Military conflict can have well known and predictable economic consequences for America. But Iran obtaining the capacity to create nuclear weapons would, too. And more and worse.

 

[Chuz Life]

For those who voted in the poll that Trump is being used, forced, coerced into starting a war with Iran, by Bibi. . .

Please explain why Bibi isn't forcing Trump to finish it.

Post in thread 'Iran to sign deal'

Yesterday at 12:59 AM

Bibi cannot clean up anything by himself; he needs the US to fight its wars didn't you know that?

Without the US help Bibi is lost.

Logic doesn't seem to be something you are comfortable with.

For example, you are convinced that "Bibi" coerced, directed, compelled, or otherwise forced Trump to start a war with Iran.

Correct?

That is your view and assertion. Isn't it?

It's clear that's what you think.

But here (in the form of a question) is where your logic fails you.

"Why isn't Bibi forcing Trump to finish the job?"

It is completely illogical to hold that Trump...

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[Chuz Life]

His idea.

He has been itching for a war with Iran for almost half a century, and finally he found a President who could go along with his madness.

Shame on Trump, to think that I respected him so much in the past, not anymore.


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When can we expect to see an answer for this?

Post in thread 'Iran to sign deal'

Yesterday at 12:59 AM

Bibi cannot clean up anything by himself; he needs the US to fight its wars didn't you know that?

Without the US help Bibi is lost.

Logic doesn't seem to be something you are comfortable with.

For example, you are convinced that "Bibi" coerced, directed, compelled, or otherwise forced Trump to start a war with Iran.

Correct?

That is your view and assertion. Isn't it?

It's clear that's what you think.

But here (in the form of a question) is where your logic fails you.

"Why isn't Bibi forcing Trump to finish the job?"

It is completely illogical to hold that Trump...

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[CrusaderFrank]

That’s not what he said. Come on. You’re allowed to change you mind about Trump and his views. But talking shit isn’t a good way to go about it.

You are capable of being fair and objective.

Here is what he actually said with the question he was responding to:

The reporter’s question was essentially:

“Are you considering Americans’ financial situation as you negotiate with Iran?”

President Trump’s response was:

“I don’t think about Americans’ financial situation when I’m negotiating with Iran. The only thing I think about is they can’t have a nuclear weapon.”

Yes. Military conflict can have well known and predictable economic consequences for America. But Iran obtaining the capacity to create nuclear weapons would, too. And more and worse.

Exactly!!!

EXACTLY!!!

If he cared about American’s financial situation he would never have attacked Iran!

He is plunging the world into recession- or worse - the longer he’s Bibi’s SecWar

Iran never had an interest in obtaining a nuclear weapon. The leader we killed even said nuclear weapons went against his understanding of Islam. Had you heard that?

 

[g5000]

Who decided to go to war with Iran?

Is Trump controlling Israel or is Israel controlling Trump?

Who made the call to send Americans into harms way?

Who calls the shots?

Trump or Netanyahu?

It's two crooks throwing each other a lifeline to divert the rubes' attention from what really matters.

Netanyahu is under indictment. Trump is in the Epstein PedoFiles.

 

[BackAgain]

Exactly!!!

EXACTLY!!!

If he cared about American’s financial situation he would never have attacked Iran!

No. That’s far FROM the point.

It’s because he does care about America and the American people that he realized that he had to get rid of the threat of Iran ever being able to construct a nuclear weapon.

He is plunging the world into recession- or worse - the longer he’s Bibi’s SecWar

I’m ******* sick and tired of that simple minded and baseless claim. Such shallow sophistry is beneath you.

Iran never had an interest in obtaining a nuclear weapon.

That’s demonstrably untrue. They ******* admitted it. Oh, they also had enriched about 268 pounds of uranium enriched to 60%. They also admitted that.

That’s significant since the ONLY reason to enrich uranium to 60% is to then enrich it to 90%. And that, as we know, is the enrichment level needed to make the nuclear weapons go boom.

Therefore, there is zero support for your claim about Iranian intent.

The leader we killed even said nuclear weapons went against his understanding of Islam. Had you heard that?

And yet, he was seeking them. It is as if he had lied!

It’s almost as if the Islamic faith endorses lying on behalf of Islam, itself. I know, for a fact, that you are familiar with the term
“taqiyya.”

 

[Billiejeens]

Exactly!!!

EXACTLY!!!

If he cared about American’s financial situation he would never have attacked Iran!

He is plunging the world into recession- or worse - the longer he’s Bibi’s SecWar

Iran never had an interest in obtaining a nuclear weapon. The leader we killed even said nuclear weapons went against his understanding of Islam. Had you heard that?

Off the deep end.
Sad.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Off the deep end.
Sad.

Off of Spahn Ranch

You kids have fun

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No. That’s far FROM the point.

It’s because he does care about America and the American people that he realized that he had to get rid of the threat of Iran ever being able to construct a nuclear weapon.

I’m ******* sick and tired of that simple minded and baseless claim. Such shallow sophistry is beneath you.


That’s demonstrably untrue. They ******* admitted it. Oh, they also had enriched about 268 pounds of uranium enriched to 60%. They also admitted that.

That’s significant since the ONLY reason to enrich uranium to 60% is to then enrich it to 90%. And that, as we know, is the enrichment level needed to make the nuclear weapons go boom.

Therefore, there is zero support for your claim about Iranian intent.

And yet, he was seeking them. It is as if he had lied!

It’s almost as if the Islamic faith endorses lying on behalf of Islam, itself. I know, for a fact, that you are familiar with the term
“taqiyya.”

Iran has top scientists and engineers and help from China and Russia if they want. But it’s 35 YEARS now Bibi (who also lies) keeps telling us that “Iran is 2 weeks away!”

We had so many problems of our own we had absolutely no good reason to attack Iran

We’re short of missiles. Will take 3 years to replenish, assuming China keeps supplying us with high tech magnets

Interest rates are 50 basis points higher than when this misadventure started. We have $9.5 trillion in debt maturing in the next 12 months. That’s almost $500B in locked in higher borrowing costs

So please tell me why Iran not having a nuke they had no interest in having was so important

 

[Bad Bob]

Iran has top scientists and engineers and help from China and Russia if they want. But it’s 35 YEARS now Bibi (who also lies) keeps telling us that “Iran is 2 weeks away!”

We had so many problems of our own we had absolutely no good reason to attack Iran

We’re short of missiles. Will take 3 years to replenish, assuming China keeps supplying us with high tech magnets

Interest rates are 50 basis points higher than when this misadventure started. We have $9.5 trillion in debt maturing in the next 12 months. That’s almost $500B in locked in higher borrowing costs

So please tell me why Iran not having a nuke they had no interest in having was so important

Do you really believe our top military and intelligence leaders are so stupid?

The evidence indicates, no they aren't. Both Tulsi and Caine warned Trump what would happen and, for whatever reason, Trump blew them off and attacked Iran. IMO, both Bibi and MbS simply flattered Trump, gave him a trinket and either cash or lucrative real estate deals.

Agreed on Trump's mismanagement of our military and economy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Do you really believe our top military and intelligence leaders are so stupid?

The evidence indicates, no they aren't. Both Tulsi and Caine warned Trump what would happen and, for whatever reason, Trump blew them off and attacked Iran. IMO, both Bibi and MbS simply flattered Trump, gave him a trinket and either cash or lucrative real estate deals.

Agreed on Trump's mismanagement of our military and economy.

I know that all our Intel Agencies agreed that Iran was not building a nuke

 

[BackAgain]

Iran has top scientists and engineers and help from China and Russia if they want. But it’s 35 YEARS now Bibi (who also lies) keeps telling us that “Iran is 2 weeks away!”

That does seem pretty unlikely. I mean, I doubt Bibi has been making that claim for 35 years. I don’t doubt that he has said it more than a few times.

But, the thing is, so what? Why do you seek to direct our attention to whatever Bibi may (or may not) have said?

It’s not something all that complicated. Were they (Iran) within two weeks of acquiring that ability when we struck Iran? Or were they not?

I demonstrated that Iran was seeking the ability to acquire nuclear weapons.

So, doesn’t that being the issue help boil it down to: “how long would it have taken to get their 60% uranium enrichment to the nuclear-weapons level of enhancement of 90%?”

In a prior post on this topic (earlier thread, somewhere) I also established that such additional enrichment to the 90% level is approximately seven to ten days. I can dig it up again, but it hasn’t changed.

We had so many problems of our own we had absolutely no good reason to attack Iran

So you maintain. But many of us disagree. We won’t have to worry about welfare or social security and housing and a clean environment if we take a nuclear weapon attack from Iran. That day becomes possible if the Islamofascist Iranian regime ever gets its hands on a nuclear weapon or two or Eleven.

We’re short of missiles. Will take 3 years to replenish, assuming China keeps supplying us with high tech magnets

That estimate is based on a set of assumptions that probably won’t exist.
STILL, I agree that using a lot of missiles does require manufacturing to replace those which have been used. This doesn’t make this problem unusual when it comes to war.

Interest rates are 50 basis points higher than when this misadventure started. We have $9.5 trillion in debt maturing in the next 12 months. That’s almost $500B in locked in higher borrowing costs

I do not disagree that this “adventure” comes with costs. Everything we have ever done relative to war always has. I’m sure it always will.

But your objection seems to be that the expense this time isn’t worth it. Again, you’re entitled to that opinion. But having your particular opinion doesn’t make you right.

So please tell me why Iran not having a nuke they had no interest in having was so important

Not being able to produce the nuclear capability they ABSOLUTELY had an interest in was and remains “so important” because the lives of hundreds of of millions of people would likely be saved because of it. (We could quibble about that number. Indeed, it very well could escalate into the BILLIONS.)