The Inverse Relationship between Qualified Voters and "Democracy"

[Correll]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Politics is perception. People thought Reagan was doing a great job but because so few of you are into politics, they didn't realize he was fucking us. Maybe not immediately but his policies would fuck us in years to come. Consider he thought up NAFTA and Bush wrote it into law. Clinton only signed it. Back then you guys were in favor of free trade. So while you would have passed the test you failed with your vote.

Also, you dumb mother fuckers don't believe in global warming.

I have a 2 question test

1. Was the last election rigged?
2. Do you believe in man made climate change.

You my friend would not be allowed to vote.

Because you would use the test to keep your enemies from voting?

Well played. Yes, any system is only as good as the people who run it.

ANd with so many of you liberals in this county no system can save US.

 

[Flash]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

But the poorest and the dumbest of you will not vote for the good of the country. You will vote for your own selfish interest. You will vote for the asshole that promises you the biggest welfare check. That destroys Democracies.

The most affordable health care is where the government doesn't burden down the health care providers with regulations. That runs up the cost. However, the greedy welfare queens will vote for the candidate that promise to make somebody else pay their bills and that is despicable.

The rule should be that if you are receiving any kind of welfare then you don't get to vote.

Better yet only land owning White males.

 

[sealybobo]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Politics is perception. People thought Reagan was doing a great job but because so few of you are into politics, they didn't realize he was fucking us. Maybe not immediately but his policies would fuck us in years to come. Consider he thought up NAFTA and Bush wrote it into law. Clinton only signed it. Back then you guys were in favor of free trade. So while you would have passed the test you failed with your vote.

Also, you dumb mother fuckers don't believe in global warming.

I have a 2 question test

1. Was the last election rigged?
2. Do you believe in man made climate change.

You my friend would not be allowed to vote.

Because you would use the test to keep your enemies from voting?

Well played. Yes, any system is only as good as the people who run it.

ANd with so many of you liberals in this county no system can save US.

You poor white racists don't realize the rich got us fighting each other when we should be on the same side. They sucker you with racism, god, guns and gays.

 

[sealybobo]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

But the poorest and the dumbest of you will not vote for the good of the country. You will vote for your own selfish interest. You will vote for the asshole that promises you the biggest welfare check. That destroys Democracies.

The most affordable health care is where the government doesn't burden down the health care providers with regulations. That runs up the cost. However, the greedy welfare queens will vote for the candidate that promise to make somebody else pay their bills and that is despicable.

The rule should be that if you are receiving any kind of welfare then you don't get to vote.

Better yet only land owning White males.

Oh fuck you and the good of the country. You assholes almost caused a fucking constitutional crisis if not for guys like Mike Pence. Seriously, you're a fucking joke.

Everyone votes selfishly. That's why the rich vote to have their taxes cut and to cut social programs that their taxes used to pay. Greedy selfish. It's a new America. Certainly not what made America great.

 

[sealybobo]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

But the poorest and the dumbest of you will not vote for the good of the country. You will vote for your own selfish interest. You will vote for the asshole that promises you the biggest welfare check. That destroys Democracies.

The most affordable health care is where the government doesn't burden down the health care providers with regulations. That runs up the cost. However, the greedy welfare queens will vote for the candidate that promise to make somebody else pay their bills and that is despicable.

The rule should be that if you are receiving any kind of welfare then you don't get to vote.

Better yet only land owning White males.

Let's remember what made America great

After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan......

Today America is greater than ever for the rich. If you are complaining about America then you are a sucker who deserves what you got for voting Republican.

 

[Correll]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

Our bridges are falling apart (among other things), and its Ronald Reagan's fault. A few hours before the bridge collapsed in Minnesota, a news release landed (among hundreds) in my email inbox. It was from the right-wing "Heartland Institute" and a Minnesota conservative group calling itself...

www.commondreams.org

And as smart as you are you voted for him a second time.

Hey, dem congresses kept up the spending. Plenty of blame to go around. It is worth noting that we had a massive economic expansion under Reagan.

Indeed, as our tax structure is still basically his, we have had good overall macro economic growth SINCE then.

Maybe that is why none of the FOUR dem administrations since then, or the many democratic congresses, ever changed those tax rates BACK.

 

[Flash]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

Our bridges are falling apart (among other things), and its Ronald Reagan's fault. A few hours before the bridge collapsed in Minnesota, a news release landed (among hundreds) in my email inbox. It was from the right-wing "Heartland Institute" and a Minnesota conservative group calling itself...

www.commondreams.org

And as smart as you are you voted for him a second time.

You are confused Moon Bat.

Reagan ran up the debt like every other President. However, it was a lot less than the Worthless Negro. The difference is that when Reagan ran up the debt we had a booming economy. When the Worthless Negro ran up the debt all we got for it was increased poverty, decreased family income and dismal economic growth.

Debt is bad no matter if Republicans do it or the filthy Democrats. The difference is that usually we get a a little better economy from the Republicans and we get shit from the Democrats.

The answer to debt is never more taxes. The answer is spending less. That is something you stupid uneducated Libtards never seem to understand. That is becasue you don't know a damn thing about Economics just like you don't know a damn thing about History, Biology, Climate Science, Ethics or the Constitution.

 

[sealybobo]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

Our bridges are falling apart (among other things), and its Ronald Reagan's fault. A few hours before the bridge collapsed in Minnesota, a news release landed (among hundreds) in my email inbox. It was from the right-wing "Heartland Institute" and a Minnesota conservative group calling itself...

www.commondreams.org

And as smart as you are you voted for him a second time.

Hey, dem congresses kept up the spending. Plenty of blame to go around. It is worth noting that we had a massive economic expansion under Reagan.

Indeed, as our tax structure is still basically his, we have had good overall macro economic growth SINCE then.

Maybe that is why none of the FOUR dem administrations since then, or the many democratic congresses, ever changed those tax rates BACK.

Yea Reagan spent his way out of that recession he sure did. Trump wasn't in a recession and he gave unnecessary tax breaks. You'll see just like Reagan's policies bankrupted future generations, so will Trump's tax breaks. Our infrastructure is falling apart. If you want the rich to keep those tax breaks guess what? You and I have to pay. It's call shifting the tax burden from the rich more onto us. And you vote for it. Are you sure you would pass the iq test?

 

[Correll]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Politics is perception. People thought Reagan was doing a great job but because so few of you are into politics, they didn't realize he was fucking us. Maybe not immediately but his policies would fuck us in years to come. Consider he thought up NAFTA and Bush wrote it into law. Clinton only signed it. Back then you guys were in favor of free trade. So while you would have passed the test you failed with your vote.

Also, you dumb mother fuckers don't believe in global warming.

I have a 2 question test

1. Was the last election rigged?
2. Do you believe in man made climate change.

You my friend would not be allowed to vote.

Because you would use the test to keep your enemies from voting?

Well played. Yes, any system is only as good as the people who run it.

ANd with so many of you liberals in this county no system can save US.

You poor white racists don't realize the rich got us fighting each other when we should be on the same side. They sucker you with racism, god, guns and gays.

It is not a rich person that just admitted that he would abuse the system to permanently disenfranchise me.


How can I ignore the fact that you are my enemy? You are literally out to get me. You, and yours have convinced yourself that it is morally right of you to abuse any power you have to harm my interests.


Rich people just want to make money off of me. You want to empower people that want to kill me.


Do you know how many times I have had liberals gloat to me about "white people dying off"?

 

[sealybobo]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

Our bridges are falling apart (among other things), and its Ronald Reagan's fault. A few hours before the bridge collapsed in Minnesota, a news release landed (among hundreds) in my email inbox. It was from the right-wing "Heartland Institute" and a Minnesota conservative group calling itself...

www.commondreams.org

And as smart as you are you voted for him a second time.

You are confused Moon Bat.

Reagan ran up the debt like every other President. However, it was a lot less than the Worthless Negro. The difference is that when Reagan ran up the debt we had a booming economy. When the Worthless Negro ran up the debt all we got for it was increased proverty, decreased family income and dismal economic growth.

Debt is bad no matter if Republicans do or the filthy Democrats. The difference is that usually we get a a little better economy from the Republicans and we get shit from the Democrats.

The answer to debt is never more taxes. The answer is spending less. That is something you stupid uneducated Libtards never seem to understand. That is becasue you don't know a damn thing about Economics just like you don't know a damn thing about History, Biology, Climate Science, Ethics or the Constitution.

Obama handed Trump a great economy get the fuck out of here. Remember when we said look at the stock market on Obama's watch you said yea but what about growth? It's under 3% you said. And after Trump's massive tax break in 2018 what was growth in 2019? 2.3%? You've been conned you dope.

Trust me, trump's tax break was not worth it. What did it add to the debt? He got a slight bump which allowed him to say he's better than Obama but how much? Obama had 2.2% growth and Trump had 2.3%. Bravo idiot.

 

[Correll]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

But the poorest and the dumbest of you will not vote for the good of the country. You will vote for your own selfish interest. You will vote for the asshole that promises you the biggest welfare check. That destroys Democracies.

The most affordable health care is where the government doesn't burden down the health care providers with regulations. That runs up the cost. However, the greedy welfare queens will vote for the candidate that promise to make somebody else pay their bills and that is despicable.

The rule should be that if you are receiving any kind of welfare then you don't get to vote.

Better yet only land owning White males.

Let's remember what made America great

After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan......

Today America is greater than ever for the rich. If you are complaining about America then you are a sucker who deserves what you got for voting Republican.

The country was great before FDR. FDR built upon the industrial monster that republican presidents had built.

 

[sealybobo]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Politics is perception. People thought Reagan was doing a great job but because so few of you are into politics, they didn't realize he was fucking us. Maybe not immediately but his policies would fuck us in years to come. Consider he thought up NAFTA and Bush wrote it into law. Clinton only signed it. Back then you guys were in favor of free trade. So while you would have passed the test you failed with your vote.

Also, you dumb mother fuckers don't believe in global warming.

I have a 2 question test

1. Was the last election rigged?
2. Do you believe in man made climate change.

You my friend would not be allowed to vote.

Because you would use the test to keep your enemies from voting?

Well played. Yes, any system is only as good as the people who run it.

ANd with so many of you liberals in this county no system can save US.

You poor white racists don't realize the rich got us fighting each other when we should be on the same side. They sucker you with racism, god, guns and gays.

It is not a rich person that just admitted that he would abuse the system to permanently disenfranchise me.


How can I ignore the fact that you are my enemy? You are literally out to get me. You, and yours have convinced yourself that it is morally right of you to abuse any power you have to harm my interests.


Rich people just want to make money off of me. You want to empower people that want to kill me.


Do you know how many times I have had liberals gloat to me about "white people dying off"?

Yesterday while riding my Ebike I noticed that Novi, MI has a huge population of hindu indians. HUGE! I told my friend, "so what they are good people". He said something about worrying about the white race. I asked him if he really cared what color Americans are in 1000 years. He doesn't. So why care that America is getting a little darker. Do you really care? Then you are a racist.

 

[White 6]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I thought poll tests went out with Jim Crow. It won't fly again, not even in the south.

What happens to a country when the most ignorant, most desperate are the majority?
Imagine if Amazon appointed all their shitter cleaners to the board tomorrow...what would happen to Amazon?

Probably the same thing that happens to a country when people read so little history, that they do not know that their great new idea was already widely tried, found illegal and outlawed.

You can't really address the question without feeling stupid can you?
Here...try again
"What happens to a country when the most ignorant, most desperate are the majority?
Imagine if Amazon appointed all their shitter cleaners to the board tomorrow...what would happen to Amazon?"

I didn't feel stupid. Your question was stupid, reminding me of some idiot bitching out somebody who threw a cigarette butt out, posing the question "what it would be if everybody that came by this spot, threw a butt out there". That one failing basic logic. In your query, I am not sure that we have not already been at a level of general ignorance, that would meet your criteria, since at least the 1960s, from what I have seen, and probably before that. I just have few memories before 1961. Have heart. Maybe Covid variants and Darwinism will handle your proposed situation, to an extent. It certainly won't be a tipping point, but the disease is weeding out some willfully ignorant, daily. Unfortunately the target population of the disease appears to mostly be people beyond passing down their ignorance genes, so maybe not.

 

[Correll]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

Our bridges are falling apart (among other things), and its Ronald Reagan's fault. A few hours before the bridge collapsed in Minnesota, a news release landed (among hundreds) in my email inbox. It was from the right-wing "Heartland Institute" and a Minnesota conservative group calling itself...

www.commondreams.org

And as smart as you are you voted for him a second time.

Hey, dem congresses kept up the spending. Plenty of blame to go around. It is worth noting that we had a massive economic expansion under Reagan.

Indeed, as our tax structure is still basically his, we have had good overall macro economic growth SINCE then.

Maybe that is why none of the FOUR dem administrations since then, or the many democratic congresses, ever changed those tax rates BACK.

Yea Reagan spent his way out of that recession he sure did. Trump wasn't in a recession and he gave unnecessary tax breaks. You'll see just like Reagan's policies bankrupted future generations, so will Trump's tax breaks. Our infrastructure is falling apart. If you want the rich to keep those tax breaks guess what? You and I have to pay. It's call shifting the tax burden from the rich more onto us. And you vote for it. Are you sure you would pass the iq test?

So, why has no dem raised them back? IF they are so obviously bad, as you claim?

 

[sealybobo]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

But the poorest and the dumbest of you will not vote for the good of the country. You will vote for your own selfish interest. You will vote for the asshole that promises you the biggest welfare check. That destroys Democracies.

The most affordable health care is where the government doesn't burden down the health care providers with regulations. That runs up the cost. However, the greedy welfare queens will vote for the candidate that promise to make somebody else pay their bills and that is despicable.

The rule should be that if you are receiving any kind of welfare then you don't get to vote.

Better yet only land owning White males.

Let's remember what made America great

After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan......

Today America is greater than ever for the rich. If you are complaining about America then you are a sucker who deserves what you got for voting Republican.

The country was great before FDR. FDR built upon the industrial monster that republican presidents had built.

We were in a great depression for 5 long years before FDR took over. Great? LOL. Reminds me of when Bush led us into the Great Recession and McCain who was running against Obama said the fundamentals of our economy were strong. Great? LOL.

I think you know when Republicans say Make America Great Again that this is the time they are all remembering. They just don't realize what made America great after the Great Recession. You just don't want to give the New Deal credit.

Oh and by the way the rich said FDR was a traitor to his class. The rich class. The same rich you argue for today who call social security, medicare and public schools socialism.

 

[sealybobo]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

Our bridges are falling apart (among other things), and its Ronald Reagan's fault. A few hours before the bridge collapsed in Minnesota, a news release landed (among hundreds) in my email inbox. It was from the right-wing "Heartland Institute" and a Minnesota conservative group calling itself...

www.commondreams.org

And as smart as you are you voted for him a second time.

Hey, dem congresses kept up the spending. Plenty of blame to go around. It is worth noting that we had a massive economic expansion under Reagan.

Indeed, as our tax structure is still basically his, we have had good overall macro economic growth SINCE then.

Maybe that is why none of the FOUR dem administrations since then, or the many democratic congresses, ever changed those tax rates BACK.

Yea Reagan spent his way out of that recession he sure did. Trump wasn't in a recession and he gave unnecessary tax breaks. You'll see just like Reagan's policies bankrupted future generations, so will Trump's tax breaks. Our infrastructure is falling apart. If you want the rich to keep those tax breaks guess what? You and I have to pay. It's call shifting the tax burden from the rich more onto us. And you vote for it. Are you sure you would pass the iq test?

So, why has no dem raised them back? IF they are so obviously bad, as you claim?

What happens when we suggest raising them? You cry class warfare.

Oh and by the way Trump lied when he ran for president. He said he would raise taxes on the rich. Oh yea I forgot he did raise taxes on rich people. But only in blue states he lost.

Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren would. The problem is the Democratic party is corrupt too. Still it's the lesser of the two evils unless you are rich or one day going to be rich. I'm just about there so I'm starting to like Republicans tax policies. I don't care about the debt.

 

[Correll]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Politics is perception. People thought Reagan was doing a great job but because so few of you are into politics, they didn't realize he was fucking us. Maybe not immediately but his policies would fuck us in years to come. Consider he thought up NAFTA and Bush wrote it into law. Clinton only signed it. Back then you guys were in favor of free trade. So while you would have passed the test you failed with your vote.

Also, you dumb mother fuckers don't believe in global warming.

I have a 2 question test

1. Was the last election rigged?
2. Do you believe in man made climate change.

You my friend would not be allowed to vote.

Because you would use the test to keep your enemies from voting?

Well played. Yes, any system is only as good as the people who run it.

ANd with so many of you liberals in this county no system can save US.

You poor white racists don't realize the rich got us fighting each other when we should be on the same side. They sucker you with racism, god, guns and gays.

It is not a rich person that just admitted that he would abuse the system to permanently disenfranchise me.


How can I ignore the fact that you are my enemy? You are literally out to get me. You, and yours have convinced yourself that it is morally right of you to abuse any power you have to harm my interests.


Rich people just want to make money off of me. You want to empower people that want to kill me.


Do you know how many times I have had liberals gloat to me about "white people dying off"?

Yesterday while riding my Ebike I noticed that Novi, MI has a huge population of hindu indians. HUGE! I told my friend, "so what they are good people". He said something about worrying about the white race. I asked him if he really cared what color Americans are in 1000 years. He doesn't. So why care that America is getting a little darker. Do you really care? Then you are a racist.

So, you don't deny that you are hostile to me and mine, you just think that it is morally wrong of me to care about the survival of my people?


Well. Um, ok. Tell me more about how I should join you in fighting against the evul rich guys.

 

[Correll]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

But the poorest and the dumbest of you will not vote for the good of the country. You will vote for your own selfish interest. You will vote for the asshole that promises you the biggest welfare check. That destroys Democracies.

The most affordable health care is where the government doesn't burden down the health care providers with regulations. That runs up the cost. However, the greedy welfare queens will vote for the candidate that promise to make somebody else pay their bills and that is despicable.

The rule should be that if you are receiving any kind of welfare then you don't get to vote.

Better yet only land owning White males.

Let's remember what made America great

After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan......

Today America is greater than ever for the rich. If you are complaining about America then you are a sucker who deserves what you got for voting Republican.

The country was great before FDR. FDR built upon the industrial monster that republican presidents had built.

We were in a great depression for 5 long years before FDR took over. Great? LOL. Reminds me of when Bush led us into the Great Recession and McCain who was running against Obama said the fundamentals of our economy were strong. Great? LOL.

I think you know when Republicans say Make America Great Again that this is the time they are all remembering. They just don't realize what made America great after the Great Recession. You just don't want to give the New Deal credit.

Oh and by the way the rich said FDR was a traitor to his class. The rich class. The same rich you argue for today who call social security, medicare and public schools socialism.

Yes, FDR took over during the Great Depression. That does not change the fact that the US was a great industrial power BEFORE that.

 

[Flash]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

But the poorest and the dumbest of you will not vote for the good of the country. You will vote for your own selfish interest. You will vote for the asshole that promises you the biggest welfare check. That destroys Democracies.

The most affordable health care is where the government doesn't burden down the health care providers with regulations. That runs up the cost. However, the greedy welfare queens will vote for the candidate that promise to make somebody else pay their bills and that is despicable.

The rule should be that if you are receiving any kind of welfare then you don't get to vote.

Better yet only land owning White males.

Let's remember what made America great

After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today's dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan......

Today America is greater than ever for the rich. If you are complaining about America then you are a sucker who deserves what you got for voting Republican.

The country was great before FDR. FDR built upon the industrial monster that republican presidents had built.

We were in a great depression for 5 long years before FDR took over. Great? LOL. Reminds me of when Bush led us into the Great Recession and McCain who was running against Obama said the fundamentals of our economy were strong. Great? LOL.

I think you know when Republicans say Make America Great Again that this is the time they are all remembering. They just don't realize what made America great after the Great Recession. You just don't want to give the New Deal credit.

Oh and by the way the rich said FDR was a traitor to his class. The rich class. The same rich you argue for today who call social security, medicare and public schools socialism.

You are confused Moon Bat.

Everybody else in the world quickly got over the Depression but that Democrat asshole FDR decided he was going to use the government to "fix" things. What could possibly go wrong?

I told you that you stupid uneducated Moon Bats don't know any more about History than you know about Economics, Biology, Climate Science, Ethics or the Constitution.

You dumb mutherfvckers think we are better off when government bureaucrats spend the money we make and run our lives.

FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

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FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate​

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.


After scrutinizing Roosevelt’s record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.


“Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump,” said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA’s Department of Economics. “We found that a relapse isn’t likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies.”



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[Correll]

Imagine a campaign to "purify" national elections by ensuring "qualified" voters. The thrust of the campaign would be to pre-qualify voters based on intelligence, education, knowledge of the relevant issues, and knowledge about the candidates who are running.

So a written test is prepared by a non-partisan committee (no academicians), querying prospective voters about their formal education or personal readings, knowledge of civics (the constitutional roles of the elective offices being filled), understanding of the most important issues of the day, and basic knowledge about the candidates. Unless you "pass" this test, you cannot vote.

Who would argue that elections counting only the votes of these seriously-qualified electors would not yield the best possible election results? It is self evident. Candidates who are fakes, charlatans, panderers, liars, and fools would have no chance of winning. And one must say that a vote of "None of the Above" would also be possible, rendering a non-conclusion that would require a new slate of candidates.

And yet, even without a trace of racial discrimination, POC's would pass this test in far fewer numbers than their proportion of the general population, for a variety of reasons which it would be indelicate to explore.

In fact, no matter what pre-qualifications are imposed - even if they are utterly reasonable - they will take a greater toll on POC voters than the general population. Voter ID. Vote on Election Day. Register in advance. Maintain an accurate and current voting residence. Every single one of these minimal requirements excludes POC's in greater numbers than one would statistically predict. Maybe the people so excluded shouldn't be voting.

I’m trying to keep an open mind. If we did this and the people who don’t bother to vote, then they can take the test and join the voting community. If you’re a dumb lazy stupid mother fucker, maybe you shouldn’t be voting.

Do you have to take the test every four years? I would say high schools should teach a class on this. Prepare every student to b a good citizen. Explain how important it is. If they decide not to vote then maybe they don’t care enough and shouldn’t vote.

Can the test be taken online? It should be. What about cheating? So we’re going to have to show up every 2 or 4 years to take a monitored test?

Im starting to think no to your idea. Every citizen should be able to vote. The poorest dumbest person should be able to vote how they think things are going.

Why?

Because the poorest and dumbest of us have a say too. They should be able to vote for pro union politicians. Politicians who won't force them to have babies they can't afford. Vote for politicians who realize we have an illegal employer problem here in this country. Vote for politicians who will make healthcare affordable for them. Politicians who want to strengthen social security and medicare not end them. Vote for politicians who will deal with the wage gap. Vote for politicians who won't try to pass a flat tax. Vote for anti war politicians because honestly, it'll be our dumbest and poorest who have to go fight.

How many Senators each state has doesn't really matter does it?

1. All those issues and interests would be represented by voters who were actually educated enough to be aware of the positions of the politicians. So again, why?

2. Sure it does. The balance of power, to prevent too much concentration of power, it was designed that the states would have some control over the actions on the federal level.

This is just you right wingers wanting to cheat to win elections. When everyone votes, you lose. Sorry pal. I gave you all the reasons and you rejected them. I see you aren't being open minded. I see you have decided that everyone who wants to vote should have to pass a test. Sorry, not gonna happen.

All the voters who would be negatively affected by those things the most would be people who don't/can't vote. It doesn't take intelligence to vote. Look at you.

And what you are assuming is we don't know the details and you do. Well I got news for you. Many of your voters wouldn't pass the test either. This might disqualify you.

And I don't know why you give a fuck. What percent of our population votes every 2 years? Midterms are the conservatives secret weapon Fifty-three percent voted in 2018, the highest midterm turnout in four decades, while the 2014 election had the lowest. So don't worry. Our most stupid citizens don't vote.

I'm just discussing the idea. It's completely moot because it is politically impossible.

But, it is interesting that you cannot defend your position.

I do agree with you, that letting everyone vote, regardless of their education, or being informed, or even being able to read the ballot, does benefit your side.

You know, in my various jobs, I have dealt with "customers" who were illiterate several times. I had no problem with it. They appreciated my help and I was respectful and professional. I bear them no ill will, nor do I think that they are bad people.

Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they're still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts

Our bridges are falling apart (among other things), and its Ronald Reagan's fault. A few hours before the bridge collapsed in Minnesota, a news release landed (among hundreds) in my email inbox. It was from the right-wing "Heartland Institute" and a Minnesota conservative group calling itself...

www.commondreams.org

And as smart as you are you voted for him a second time.

Hey, dem congresses kept up the spending. Plenty of blame to go around. It is worth noting that we had a massive economic expansion under Reagan.

Indeed, as our tax structure is still basically his, we have had good overall macro economic growth SINCE then.

Maybe that is why none of the FOUR dem administrations since then, or the many democratic congresses, ever changed those tax rates BACK.

Yea Reagan spent his way out of that recession he sure did. Trump wasn't in a recession and he gave unnecessary tax breaks. You'll see just like Reagan's policies bankrupted future generations, so will Trump's tax breaks. Our infrastructure is falling apart. If you want the rich to keep those tax breaks guess what? You and I have to pay. It's call shifting the tax burden from the rich more onto us. And you vote for it. Are you sure you would pass the iq test?

So, why has no dem raised them back? IF they are so obviously bad, as you claim?

What happens when we suggest raising them? You cry class warfare.
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Bullshit. The dems don't raise the rates because they fear it will tank the economy and they don't want to take that kind of heat, so they just print money.