The Inuit Green Deal

[Robert Urbanek]

“The Big Ice Is Sick,” a Dec. 1 article in The New Yorker, laments the plight of Inuits in Greenland: Toxic chemicals are concentrated in the whale and bear meat they eat; tourism scares away the narwhales; and alcoholism plagues communities idled by lack of opportunities. So, what was the Inuit Eden like before the Danes came in and spoiled everything?

In years of abundance, there were surges in births; in years of famine, infanticides. Those people who weren’t central to the survival of the community—the elderly, the sick, widows, orphans—often disappeared out into the ice.

There you have it, an Inuit Green Deal. If you live in harmony with nature, you don’t need a welfare state: no universal health care, no Social Security, no food stamps. Any takers?

But seriously, if you assume humanity should be taken seriously, history just seems to be a cycle of one kind of negligence and cruelty replacing a different kind of negligence and cruelty, with people snatching moments of happiness when they can.

 

[Dekster]

“The Big Ice Is Sick,” a Dec. 1 article in The New Yorker, laments the plight of Inuits in Greenland: Toxic chemicals are concentrated in the whale and bear meat they eat; tourism scares away the narwhales; and alcoholism plagues communities idled by lack of opportunities. So, what was the Inuit Eden like before the Danes came in and spoiled everything?

In years of abundance, there were surges in births; in years of famine, infanticides. Those people who weren’t central to the survival of the community—the elderly, the sick, widows, orphans—often disappeared out into the ice.

There you have it, an Inuit Green Deal. If you live in harmony with nature, you don’t need a welfare state: no universal health care, no Social Security, no food stamps. Any takers?

But seriously, if you assume humanity should be taken seriously, history just seems to be a cycle of one kind of negligence and cruelty replacing a different kind of negligence and cruelty, with people snatching moments of happiness when they can.

Okay. So what you are saying is that Greenland could benefit from a few Dollar Generals....well I guess Krone Generals?

 

[rightwinger]

Okay. So what you are saying is that Greenland could benefit from a few Dollar Generals....well I guess Krone Generals?

I am hearing a major casino and golf course

 

[Robert Urbanek]

I'm leaning toward a more fatalistic attitude and the belief that history is a story, and all stories must come to an end.

 

[Old Rocks]

I'm leaning toward a more fatalistic attitude and the belief that history is a story, and all stories must come to an end.

A bit of a dark vision on your part. You apparently assume we can do nothing to change the trajectory. And I remember the history of vaccination and antibiotics that changed the number of early deaths worldwide.

 

[ding]

A bit of a dark vision on your part. You apparently assume we can do nothing to change the trajectory. And I remember the history of vaccination and antibiotics that changed the number of early deaths worldwide.

Extinctions are pretty common. Scientists estimate that over 99.9% of all species that have ever lived on Earth are now extinct. Is the human race going extinct a dark vision or is it a reality?

 

[task0778]

Extinctions are pretty common. Scientists estimate that over 99.9% of all species that have ever lived on Earth are now extinct. Is the human race going extinct a dark vision or is it a reality?

Hey ding:

Scientists Predict How and When Humanity Will Go Extinct With Warnings Backed by Hard Data

Scientists have uncovered a chilling forecast for Earth’s far future. As continents collide and extreme heat builds, survival may no longer be possible.

dailygalaxy.com

Climate extremes likely to drive land mammal extinction during next supercontinent assembly - Nature Geoscience

The Earth may become inhospitable to land mammals in about 250 Myr owing to climate warming and drying associated with the assembly of the next supercontinent, Pangaea-Ultima, according to combined tectonic, climate and mammal habitability modelling.

www.nature.com

Mammals have dominated Earth for approximately 55 Myr thanks to their adaptations and resilience to warming and cooling during the Cenozoic. All life will eventually perish in a runaway greenhouse once absorbed solar radiation exceeds the emission of thermal radiation in several billions of years. However, conditions rendering the Earth naturally inhospitable to mammals may develop sooner because of long-term processes linked to plate tectonics (short-term perturbations are not considered here). In ~250 Myr, all continents will converge to form Earth’s next supercontinent, Pangea Ultima.


So, we could be gone in about 250 million years.

 

[ding]

So, we could be gone in about 250 million years.

I just need about 30 years.

 

[task0778]

I just need about 30 years.

I'm 77. I'll be good if I get 10.

 

[ding]

I'm 77. I'll be good if I get 10.

Our greatest risk is most likely a breakdown of society which could be caused by a number of things. It won't end us all but it could significantly reduce the size of the herd.

 

[task0778]

Our greatest risk is most likely a breakdown of society which could be caused by a number of things. It won't end us all but it could significantly reduce the size of the herd.

I would not be surprised to see another Great Depression similar to the one in the 1930s. Who knows, there might also be a WWIII, nothing like a big war to take people's minds off of how bad things are.

 

[ding]

I would not be surprised to see another Great Depression similar to the one in the 1930s. Who knows, there might also be a WWIII, nothing like a big war to take people's minds off of how bad things are.

Oh, it's coming. It's just a matter of when. We can only pray it's not because the dollar got debauched.

 

[EMH]

I am hearing a major casino and golf course

LOL!!!

A golfcourse on continent specific ICE AGE Greenland...


where ya gonna put it??

LOL!!!

BTW this is the SUMMER satellite view....

 

[rightwinger]

LOL!!!

A golfcourse on continent specific ICE AGE Greenland...


where ya gonna put it??

LOL!!!

BTW this is the SUMMER satellite view....

It is called GREENland
Of course they have putting greens

 

[ding]

Speaking of Greenland...

Greenland has not been completely ice-free in recent geological history, but studies show it was largely ice-free around 400,000 to 416,000 years ago during a warm interglacial period (Marine Isotope Stage 11), with forests and tundra covering large parts of the island. Evidence from sediment cores reveals plant fossils and soil from this time, indicating significant melting, though some parts of the ice sheet likely persisted.

The last time Greenland had virtually no ice, roughly 400,000 years ago during a warm period called Marine Isotope Stage 11 (MIS 11), global temperatures were only about 1 to 2.5°C warmer than pre-industrial levels, but localized temperatures in Greenland were significantly higher, possibly 8°C warmer than today, allowing the ice sheet to melt almost entirely, leading to much higher sea levels.

 

[EMH]

It is called GREENland
Of course they have putting greens

It is called GREENland because when the Vikings originally settled the southern tip, the southern tip was green. It isn't anymore. The Greenland Ice Age was hung up on the mountains at the "top" of the Southern Tip, crashed through those and quickly buried the southern tip, forcing the Vikings off in the 1400s.

 

[rightwinger]

It is called GREENland because when the Vikings originally settled the southern tip, the southern tip was green. It isn't anymore. The Greenland Ice Age was hung up on the mountains at the "top" of the Southern Tip, crashed through those and quickly buried the southern tip, forcing the Vikings off in the 1400s.

Vikings visited because the loved golf and set up some marvelous courses

 

[EMH]

Speaking of Greenland...

Greenland has not been completely ice-free in recent geological history, but studies show it was largely ice-free around 400,000 to 416,000 years ago during a warm interglacial period (Marine Isotope Stage 11), with forests and tundra covering large parts of the island. Evidence from sediment cores reveals plant fossils and soil from this time, indicating significant melting, though some parts of the ice sheet likely persisted.

The last time Greenland had virtually no ice, roughly 400,000 years ago during a warm period called Marine Isotope Stage 11 (MIS 11), global temperatures were only about 1 to 2.5°C warmer than pre-industrial levels, but localized temperatures in Greenland were significantly higher, possibly 8°C warmer than today, allowing the ice sheet to melt almost entirely, leading to much higher sea levels.

This is complete CO2 FRAUd bullshit.

Greenland was completely green save mountain tops 2 million years ago and CO2 FRAUD has NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that Greenland was ever frozen before that...

This OP documents all of that...

Thread 'How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?'

May 15, 2023

This is where the climate debate is now stuck.

Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today.

Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very "Dennis Quaid" approach to ice ages - they are lightning fast, quick, and agile. They come and go really fast.

Since 2010, Milankovitch has replaced "North American Ice Age" with the claim that the ice on Chicago recently that was 2.5 miles thick was only 75k years old.

Really....

My side, which is...

• EMH
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[EMH]

Vikings visited because the loved golf and set up some marvelous courses

The opportunity to do that on Greenland is no longer there, and until Greenland moves more than 600 miles from North Pole, it won't anytime soon...

 

[ding]

This is complete CO2 FRAUd bullshit.

Greenland was completely green save mountain tops 2 million years ago and CO2 FRAUD has NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that Greenland was ever frozen before that...

This OP documents all of that...

Thread 'How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?'

May 15, 2023

This is where the climate debate is now stuck.

Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today.

Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very "Dennis Quaid" approach to ice ages - they are lightning fast, quick, and agile. They come and go really fast.

Since 2010, Milankovitch has replaced "North American Ice Age" with the claim that the ice on Chicago recently that was 2.5 miles thick was only 75k years old.

Really....

My side, which is...

• EMH
• Replies: 134
• Forum: Environment

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Pay attention, Todd. The temperature was only 1 to 2.5°C warmer than pre-industrial levels the last time Greenland was ice free.

You must be some kind of dense to not understand the significance of that. You are as dumb as Todd.