The Illegal FISA Warrant on Carter Page and SPYING on the Trump Campaign

[MACAULAY]

A phenomena not well understood by the public (and not understood at all by Liberals/Socialists educated in the public schools of rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for half a century) is that FISA Warrants carry with them the authority to GO BACK in time and obtain communications of the suspected "agent of a foreign power" for years in the past AND to then obtain similar records of ANYONE the suspect talked to AND any records of anyone they also talked to---known as the Two Hop Rule.
________

"In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion."

Why Civil Libertarians Should Be Worried about the FISA Warrant on Carter Page

________

For the poorly educated, this in effect means that the FISA Warrant on Page, obtained illegally and criminally by the Obama FBI/DOJ---allowed them to surveil many many people in the Trump Campaign, and with renewals, in the Trump Administration---possibly even going up to Trump himself.

If Page talked to his boss in the Trump Campaign, that boss's communications can also be obtained, and if that boss ever talked to Trump, or any of his closest advisors---their communications can also be obtained.

To make it real simple, the Warrant on Carter Page was in effect a retroactive Warrant on the entire Trump Campaign.

So when you consider the GROSS ABUSE (lies, omissions, document manipulation, crimes etc.) that we now know went on in Obama's FBI---and every American should be considering it---know that it was not some lowly unpaid campaign volunteer who was being SPIED on---it was the whole Trump Campaign---BY THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

INDICTMENTS NEXT YEAR!!!!!---Its taking too long, yes---but breaking down a criminal conspiracy in a KGB-like operation like Obama's FBI and DOJ necessarily takes time. Progress is being made! Most of the facts are now established and are contained in the Horowitz Report--for those who can read and comprehend them. Justice grinds slowly, but grinds fine, and the TRUTH will be known well before the next election.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

A phenomena not well understood by the public (and not understood at all by Liberals/Socialists educated in the public schools of rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for half a century) is that FISA Warrants carry with them the authority to GO BACK in time and obtain communications of the suspected "agent of a foreign power" for years in the past AND to then obtain similar records of ANYONE the suspect talked to AND any records of anyone they also talked to---known as the Two Hop Rule.
________

"In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion."

Why Civil Libertarians Should Be Worried about the FISA Warrant on Carter Page

________

For the poorly educated, this in effect means that the FISA Warrant on Page, obtained illegally and criminally by the Obama FBI/DOJ---allowed them to surveil many many people in the Trump Campaign, and with renewals, in the Trump Administration---possibly even going up to Trump himself.

If Page talked to his boss in the Trump Campaign, that boss's communications can also be obtained, and if that boss ever talked to Trump, or any of his closest advisors---their communications can also be obtained.

To make it real simple, the Warrant on Carter Page was in effect a retroactive Warrant on the entire Trump Campaign.

So when you consider the GROSS ABUSE (lies, omissions, document manipulation, crimes etc.) that we now know went on in Obama's FBI---and every American should be considering it---know that it was not some lowly unpaid campaign volunteer who was being SPIED on---it was the whole Trump Campaign---BY THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

INDICTMENTS NEXT YEAR!!!!!---Its taking too long, yes---but breaking down a criminal conspiracy in a KGB-like operation like Obama's FBI and DOJ necessarily takes time. Progress is being made! Most of the facts are now established and are contained in the Horowitz Report--for those who can read and comprehend them. Justice grinds slowly, but grinds fine, and the TRUTH will be known well before the next election.

Hate to break it to you but most of what you just posted has been debunked in the Senate Hearing. And you are just repeating Rumps shopping list for crap to cover up his transgressions. We ain't buying what you are selling.

 

[Erinwltr]

It wasn't illegal. Ask DJT Appointee.

 

[MACAULAY]

More education for those who watch CNN and MSNBC:

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Before evaluating the media component of this scandal, the FBI’s gross abuse of its power – its serial deceit – is so grave and manifest that it requires little effort to demonstrate it. In sum, the IG Report documents multiple instances in which the FBI – in order to convince a FISA court to allow it spy on former Trump campaign operative Carter Page during the 2016 election – manipulated documents, concealed crucial exonerating evidence, and touted what it knew were unreliable if not outright false claims.


IG Report On FBI Spying Exposes "Scandal Of Historic Magnitude" For US Media

 

[MACAULAY]

A phenomena not well understood by the public (and not understood at all by Liberals/Socialists educated in the public schools of rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for half a century) is that FISA Warrants carry with them the authority to GO BACK in time and obtain communications of the suspected "agent of a foreign power" for years in the past AND to then obtain similar records of ANYONE the suspect talked to AND any records of anyone they also talked to---known as the Two Hop Rule.
________

"In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion."

Why Civil Libertarians Should Be Worried about the FISA Warrant on Carter Page

________

For the poorly educated, this in effect means that the FISA Warrant on Page, obtained illegally and criminally by the Obama FBI/DOJ---allowed them to surveil many many people in the Trump Campaign, and with renewals, in the Trump Administration---possibly even going up to Trump himself.

If Page talked to his boss in the Trump Campaign, that boss's communications can also be obtained, and if that boss ever talked to Trump, or any of his closest advisors---their communications can also be obtained.

To make it real simple, the Warrant on Carter Page was in effect a retroactive Warrant on the entire Trump Campaign.

So when you consider the GROSS ABUSE (lies, omissions, document manipulation, crimes etc.) that we now know went on in Obama's FBI---and every American should be considering it---know that it was not some lowly unpaid campaign volunteer who was being SPIED on---it was the whole Trump Campaign---BY THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

INDICTMENTS NEXT YEAR!!!!!---Its taking too long, yes---but breaking down a criminal conspiracy in a KGB-like operation like Obama's FBI and DOJ necessarily takes time. Progress is being made! Most of the facts are now established and are contained in the Horowitz Report--for those who can read and comprehend them. Justice grinds slowly, but grinds fine, and the TRUTH will be known well before the next election.

Hate to break it to you but most of what you just posted has been debunked in the Senate Hearing. And you are just repeating Rumps shopping list for crap to cover up his transgressions. We ain't buying what you are selling.

______

You liberal cocksuckers have literally worn out the word "Debunked". It just doesn't mean shit anymore---particularly, as here, when you have nothing but your own unsupported remark.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

A phenomena not well understood by the public (and not understood at all by Liberals/Socialists educated in the public schools of rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for half a century) is that FISA Warrants carry with them the authority to GO BACK in time and obtain communications of the suspected "agent of a foreign power" for years in the past AND to then obtain similar records of ANYONE the suspect talked to AND any records of anyone they also talked to---known as the Two Hop Rule.
________

"In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion."

Why Civil Libertarians Should Be Worried about the FISA Warrant on Carter Page

________

For the poorly educated, this in effect means that the FISA Warrant on Page, obtained illegally and criminally by the Obama FBI/DOJ---allowed them to surveil many many people in the Trump Campaign, and with renewals, in the Trump Administration---possibly even going up to Trump himself.

If Page talked to his boss in the Trump Campaign, that boss's communications can also be obtained, and if that boss ever talked to Trump, or any of his closest advisors---their communications can also be obtained.

To make it real simple, the Warrant on Carter Page was in effect a retroactive Warrant on the entire Trump Campaign.

So when you consider the GROSS ABUSE (lies, omissions, document manipulation, crimes etc.) that we now know went on in Obama's FBI---and every American should be considering it---know that it was not some lowly unpaid campaign volunteer who was being SPIED on---it was the whole Trump Campaign---BY THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

INDICTMENTS NEXT YEAR!!!!!---Its taking too long, yes---but breaking down a criminal conspiracy in a KGB-like operation like Obama's FBI and DOJ necessarily takes time. Progress is being made! Most of the facts are now established and are contained in the Horowitz Report--for those who can read and comprehend them. Justice grinds slowly, but grinds fine, and the TRUTH will be known well before the next election.

Hate to break it to you but most of what you just posted has been debunked in the Senate Hearing. And you are just repeating Rumps shopping list for crap to cover up his transgressions. We ain't buying what you are selling.

______

You liberal cocksuckers have literally worn out the word "Debunked". It just doesn't mean shit anymore---particularly, as here, when you have nothing but your own unsupported remark.

Debunked is when there isn't anything supporting the conspiracy that Rump created. And Rump has created some doozies lately. To date, you haven't given a whole lot of actual proof about any of this therefore, it's been debunked. Without that real proof (not Hannity or Rush) then it's false. It's made up to "Hey, look over there".

 

[MACAULAY]

More for the Willingly Blind and poorly educated:

"If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?

* * * * *

But the revelations of the IG Report are not merely a massive FBI scandal. They are also a massive media scandal, because they reveal that so much of what the U.S. media has authoritatively claimed about all of these matters for more than two years is completely false.

IG Report On FBI Spying Exposes "Scandal Of Historic Magnitude" For US Media

 

[MACAULAY]

A phenomena not well understood by the public (and not understood at all by Liberals/Socialists educated in the public schools of rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for half a century) is that FISA Warrants carry with them the authority to GO BACK in time and obtain communications of the suspected "agent of a foreign power" for years in the past AND to then obtain similar records of ANYONE the suspect talked to AND any records of anyone they also talked to---known as the Two Hop Rule.
________

"In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion."

Why Civil Libertarians Should Be Worried about the FISA Warrant on Carter Page

________

For the poorly educated, this in effect means that the FISA Warrant on Page, obtained illegally and criminally by the Obama FBI/DOJ---allowed them to surveil many many people in the Trump Campaign, and with renewals, in the Trump Administration---possibly even going up to Trump himself.

If Page talked to his boss in the Trump Campaign, that boss's communications can also be obtained, and if that boss ever talked to Trump, or any of his closest advisors---their communications can also be obtained.

To make it real simple, the Warrant on Carter Page was in effect a retroactive Warrant on the entire Trump Campaign.

So when you consider the GROSS ABUSE (lies, omissions, document manipulation, crimes etc.) that we now know went on in Obama's FBI---and every American should be considering it---know that it was not some lowly unpaid campaign volunteer who was being SPIED on---it was the whole Trump Campaign---BY THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

INDICTMENTS NEXT YEAR!!!!!---Its taking too long, yes---but breaking down a criminal conspiracy in a KGB-like operation like Obama's FBI and DOJ necessarily takes time. Progress is being made! Most of the facts are now established and are contained in the Horowitz Report--for those who can read and comprehend them. Justice grinds slowly, but grinds fine, and the TRUTH will be known well before the next election.

Hate to break it to you but most of what you just posted has been debunked in the Senate Hearing. And you are just repeating Rumps shopping list for crap to cover up his transgressions. We ain't buying what you are selling.

______

You liberal cocksuckers have literally worn out the word "Debunked". It just doesn't mean shit anymore---particularly, as here, when you have nothing but your own unsupported remark.

Debunked is when there isn't anything supporting the conspiracy that Rump created. And Rump has created some doozies lately. To date, you haven't given a whole lot of actual proof about any of this therefore, it's been debunked. Without that real proof (not Hannity or Rush) then it's false. It's made up to "Hey, look over there".

_____

Still NO Authorities, I see---to support your BullShit.

You are headed for IGNORE.

______________

 

[Daryl Hunt]

More for the Willingly Blind and poorly educated:

"If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?

* * * * *

But the revelations of the IG Report are not merely a massive FBI scandal. They are also a massive media scandal, because they reveal that so much of what the U.S. media has authoritatively claimed about all of these matters for more than two years is completely false.

IG Report On FBI Spying Exposes "Scandal Of Historic Magnitude" For US Media

Of course it bothers me. But the reason for it was sound. The method was not. And the end result was sound. A lot of people in the FBI needed to be hung out to dry over it. But let's not lose sight of the reason for the original investigation where there WAS knowingly Russian meddling and it directly helped a candidate and hurt another one. Actually, the real harm was Comey giving his speech days before the election. That, alone, swung the pendulum to Rump. Comey should have been fired long before that happened. In fact, the AG should have interrupted the briefing and fired him on the spot before he could make the FBI and the Justice Department look even dumber. Yes, folks, it wasn't anything brilliant that Rump did or anything really stupid that Hillary did, it was Comey and some really, really bad timing..

 

[Daryl Hunt]

A phenomena not well understood by the public (and not understood at all by Liberals/Socialists educated in the public schools of rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for half a century) is that FISA Warrants carry with them the authority to GO BACK in time and obtain communications of the suspected "agent of a foreign power" for years in the past AND to then obtain similar records of ANYONE the suspect talked to AND any records of anyone they also talked to---known as the Two Hop Rule.
________

"In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion."

Why Civil Libertarians Should Be Worried about the FISA Warrant on Carter Page

________

For the poorly educated, this in effect means that the FISA Warrant on Page, obtained illegally and criminally by the Obama FBI/DOJ---allowed them to surveil many many people in the Trump Campaign, and with renewals, in the Trump Administration---possibly even going up to Trump himself.

If Page talked to his boss in the Trump Campaign, that boss's communications can also be obtained, and if that boss ever talked to Trump, or any of his closest advisors---their communications can also be obtained.

To make it real simple, the Warrant on Carter Page was in effect a retroactive Warrant on the entire Trump Campaign.

So when you consider the GROSS ABUSE (lies, omissions, document manipulation, crimes etc.) that we now know went on in Obama's FBI---and every American should be considering it---know that it was not some lowly unpaid campaign volunteer who was being SPIED on---it was the whole Trump Campaign---BY THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

INDICTMENTS NEXT YEAR!!!!!---Its taking too long, yes---but breaking down a criminal conspiracy in a KGB-like operation like Obama's FBI and DOJ necessarily takes time. Progress is being made! Most of the facts are now established and are contained in the Horowitz Report--for those who can read and comprehend them. Justice grinds slowly, but grinds fine, and the TRUTH will be known well before the next election.

Hate to break it to you but most of what you just posted has been debunked in the Senate Hearing. And you are just repeating Rumps shopping list for crap to cover up his transgressions. We ain't buying what you are selling.

______

You liberal cocksuckers have literally worn out the word "Debunked". It just doesn't mean shit anymore---particularly, as here, when you have nothing but your own unsupported remark.

Debunked is when there isn't anything supporting the conspiracy that Rump created. And Rump has created some doozies lately. To date, you haven't given a whole lot of actual proof about any of this therefore, it's been debunked. Without that real proof (not Hannity or Rush) then it's false. It's made up to "Hey, look over there".

_____

Still NO Authorities, I see---to support your BullShit.

You are headed for IGNORE.

______________

Oh, Please, Massah, Please, put me on Ignore. I deserve it. Make it hurt.

 

[MACAULAY]

When the Obama FBI accused Carter Page of being "an Agent of a Foreign Power" he was actualy working with the CIA to spy on Russians---the FBI knew it and hid it from the DISA Court---and even doctored docuents it submitted to the FISA Court to HIDE that fact.

________________

We learn that Trump staffer Carter Page, while under FBI surveillance, was actually working for the CIA in Russia. The FBI was told this repeatedly, yet it never reported it to the FISA court while seeking approval for its secret investigation of Page. An FBI lawyer even doctored an email to hide the fact that Page was working for the Agency and not the Russians

Can We Impeach The FBI Now?

Coming attractions: Handcuffs, Perp Walks, Indictments

 

[MACAULAY]

A phenomena not well understood by the public (and not understood at all by Liberals/Socialists educated in the public schools of rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for half a century) is that FISA Warrants carry with them the authority to GO BACK in time and obtain communications of the suspected "agent of a foreign power" for years in the past AND to then obtain similar records of ANYONE the suspect talked to AND any records of anyone they also talked to---known as the Two Hop Rule.
________

"In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion."

Why Civil Libertarians Should Be Worried about the FISA Warrant on Carter Page

________

For the poorly educated, this in effect means that the FISA Warrant on Page, obtained illegally and criminally by the Obama FBI/DOJ---allowed them to surveil many many people in the Trump Campaign, and with renewals, in the Trump Administration---possibly even going up to Trump himself.

If Page talked to his boss in the Trump Campaign, that boss's communications can also be obtained, and if that boss ever talked to Trump, or any of his closest advisors---their communications can also be obtained.

To make it real simple, the Warrant on Carter Page was in effect a retroactive Warrant on the entire Trump Campaign.

So when you consider the GROSS ABUSE (lies, omissions, document manipulation, crimes etc.) that we now know went on in Obama's FBI---and every American should be considering it---know that it was not some lowly unpaid campaign volunteer who was being SPIED on---it was the whole Trump Campaign---BY THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

INDICTMENTS NEXT YEAR!!!!!---Its taking too long, yes---but breaking down a criminal conspiracy in a KGB-like operation like Obama's FBI and DOJ necessarily takes time. Progress is being made! Most of the facts are now established and are contained in the Horowitz Report--for those who can read and comprehend them. Justice grinds slowly, but grinds fine, and the TRUTH will be known well before the next election.

Hate to break it to you but most of what you just posted has been debunked in the Senate Hearing. And you are just repeating Rumps shopping list for crap to cover up his transgressions. We ain't buying what you are selling.

______

Here is some more DEBUNKING your unsupported "debunked" remark. Can you do any better, or are you just another one of those Half-Wit Bolsheviks whose best game is straight off the elementary School PlayGround? That's pretty much all we get from you Numb-Skulls on this board. Childishness.

"The initial warrant, and its three subsequent renewals could have been used to spy on anyone who was in contact with Page, including members of the Trump campaign. The NSA is allowed to analyze communications “two hops” from its original target. Anyone in direct communication with Page is one hop away, and anyone in communication with those talking to Page is two hops away."

Unlawful FISA Spying Widespread Under Obama Administration

 

[Daryl Hunt]

A phenomena not well understood by the public (and not understood at all by Liberals/Socialists educated in the public schools of rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for half a century) is that FISA Warrants carry with them the authority to GO BACK in time and obtain communications of the suspected "agent of a foreign power" for years in the past AND to then obtain similar records of ANYONE the suspect talked to AND any records of anyone they also talked to---known as the Two Hop Rule.
________

"In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion."

Why Civil Libertarians Should Be Worried about the FISA Warrant on Carter Page

________

For the poorly educated, this in effect means that the FISA Warrant on Page, obtained illegally and criminally by the Obama FBI/DOJ---allowed them to surveil many many people in the Trump Campaign, and with renewals, in the Trump Administration---possibly even going up to Trump himself.

If Page talked to his boss in the Trump Campaign, that boss's communications can also be obtained, and if that boss ever talked to Trump, or any of his closest advisors---their communications can also be obtained.

To make it real simple, the Warrant on Carter Page was in effect a retroactive Warrant on the entire Trump Campaign.

So when you consider the GROSS ABUSE (lies, omissions, document manipulation, crimes etc.) that we now know went on in Obama's FBI---and every American should be considering it---know that it was not some lowly unpaid campaign volunteer who was being SPIED on---it was the whole Trump Campaign---BY THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

INDICTMENTS NEXT YEAR!!!!!---Its taking too long, yes---but breaking down a criminal conspiracy in a KGB-like operation like Obama's FBI and DOJ necessarily takes time. Progress is being made! Most of the facts are now established and are contained in the Horowitz Report--for those who can read and comprehend them. Justice grinds slowly, but grinds fine, and the TRUTH will be known well before the next election.

Hate to break it to you but most of what you just posted has been debunked in the Senate Hearing. And you are just repeating Rumps shopping list for crap to cover up his transgressions. We ain't buying what you are selling.

______

Here is some more DEBUNKING your unsupported "debunked" remark. Can you do any better, or are you just another one of those Half-Wit Bolsheviks whose best game is straight off the elementary School PlayGround? That's pretty much all we get from you Numb-Skulls on this board. Childishness.

"The initial warrant, and its three subsequent renewals could have been used to spy on anyone who was in contact with Page, including members of the Trump campaign. The NSA is allowed to analyze communications “two hops” from its original target. Anyone in direct communication with Page is one hop away, and anyone in communication with those talking to Page is two hops away."

Unlawful FISA Spying Widespread Under Obama Administration

Did I ever say that I supported the methods? Nope, never did. You keep going on and on like the Energizer Bunny repeating this same thing over and over. Yes, it was wrong and heads needed to and still need to fall over it. But you seem to lose the intent of the investigation. And the outcome was correct even if the method to obtain it was flawed.

 

[Lesh]

Yes there are issues with FISA procedures...but Horowitz found NO political bias and found that the FISA warrant would have been granted regardless of the Steele Dossier.

You want to reform FISA Courts?

Have at it. But you're making claims that are opposite of what the IG found

 

[The Original Tree]

Massive corruption in FISA and The FBI.

A phenomena not well understood by the public (and not understood at all by Liberals/Socialists educated in the public schools of rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for half a century) is that FISA Warrants carry with them the authority to GO BACK in time and obtain communications of the suspected "agent of a foreign power" for years in the past AND to then obtain similar records of ANYONE the suspect talked to AND any records of anyone they also talked to---known as the Two Hop Rule.
________

"In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion."

Why Civil Libertarians Should Be Worried about the FISA Warrant on Carter Page

________

For the poorly educated, this in effect means that the FISA Warrant on Page, obtained illegally and criminally by the Obama FBI/DOJ---allowed them to surveil many many people in the Trump Campaign, and with renewals, in the Trump Administration---possibly even going up to Trump himself.

If Page talked to his boss in the Trump Campaign, that boss's communications can also be obtained, and if that boss ever talked to Trump, or any of his closest advisors---their communications can also be obtained.

To make it real simple, the Warrant on Carter Page was in effect a retroactive Warrant on the entire Trump Campaign.

So when you consider the GROSS ABUSE (lies, omissions, document manipulation, crimes etc.) that we now know went on in Obama's FBI---and every American should be considering it---know that it was not some lowly unpaid campaign volunteer who was being SPIED on---it was the whole Trump Campaign---BY THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

INDICTMENTS NEXT YEAR!!!!!---Its taking too long, yes---but breaking down a criminal conspiracy in a KGB-like operation like Obama's FBI and DOJ necessarily takes time. Progress is being made! Most of the facts are now established and are contained in the Horowitz Report--for those who can read and comprehend them. Justice grinds slowly, but grinds fine, and the TRUTH will be known well before the next election.

 

[MACAULAY]

Yes there are issues with FISA procedures...but Horowitz found NO political bias and found that the FISA warrant would have been granted regardless of the Steele Dossier.

You want to reform FISA Courts?

Have at it. But you're making claims that are opposite of what the IG found

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This first sentence is Complete Bullshit. It is propaganda put out by CNN liars for the under-educated---which are numerous in rotting cities whose education systems have collapsed under half a century of Democratic control.

He found that the standard for opening an investigation was so low that almost anything would do---this was immediately disputed bY Attorney General Barr and John Durham who is in charge of the Criminal Investigation.

For Horowitz, since almost anything would do to open the investigation---he could find no Testimonial of Documentary evidence in Bill Preistep's decision to open it. "Testimonial" merely means that Priestep denied that he had bias when he opened the case, and also that nobody else in Obama's corrupt FBI stepped forward to accuse Priestep of bias. "Documentary" means he found no records showing bias in the decision to open.....this is no surprise...most people who make it as Agents have the good sense not to document their bias---of course there are exceptions, like Strzok, Page, and Clinesmith---the later is definitely going to jail unless he sings like a canary---but these ALL showed demonstrable bias---vicious animus---but they didn't open the investigation.

And remember Barr and Durham BOTh disagreed with even this conclusion because they have access to more information. Horowitz could only look to and talk to people in the FBI and DOJ.

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As to the FISA abuses and Crimes, after opening the investigation, Horowitz said, in effect, it was such a mess that he was simply submitting the FACTS--which were damning--to Barr and Durham for further handling. He said nobody who "touched the FISA process was vindicated". He said it would be up to Barr and Durham to decide who to prosecute---and by the way, in prosecutions, you can infer bias and evil intent from behavior.

He said he could not say whether the FISA Court would have granted the Warrants if the Truth had been told, but that the Steele Dossier was "central and essential" to the issuance of the Warrants and the Steele Dossier was in effect Bull Shit.

______

You are entitled to your own opinion, uneducated as you obviously are, but you are not entitled to make up the facts.

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[Crepitus]

The Illegal FISA Warrant on Carter Page and SPYING on the Trump Campaign
.

There wasn't one, so your whole thread is a bust.

 

[Crepitus]

A phenomena not well understood by the public (and not understood at all by Liberals/Socialists educated in the public schools of rotting Northern cities run by Democrats for half a century) is that FISA Warrants carry with them the authority to GO BACK in time and obtain communications of the suspected "agent of a foreign power" for years in the past AND to then obtain similar records of ANYONE the suspect talked to AND any records of anyone they also talked to---known as the Two Hop Rule.
________

"In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion."

Why Civil Libertarians Should Be Worried about the FISA Warrant on Carter Page

________

For the poorly educated, this in effect means that the FISA Warrant on Page, obtained illegally and criminally by the Obama FBI/DOJ---allowed them to surveil many many people in the Trump Campaign, and with renewals, in the Trump Administration---possibly even going up to Trump himself.

If Page talked to his boss in the Trump Campaign, that boss's communications can also be obtained, and if that boss ever talked to Trump, or any of his closest advisors---their communications can also be obtained.

To make it real simple, the Warrant on Carter Page was in effect a retroactive Warrant on the entire Trump Campaign.

So when you consider the GROSS ABUSE (lies, omissions, document manipulation, crimes etc.) that we now know went on in Obama's FBI---and every American should be considering it---know that it was not some lowly unpaid campaign volunteer who was being SPIED on---it was the whole Trump Campaign---BY THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS.

INDICTMENTS NEXT YEAR!!!!!---Its taking too long, yes---but breaking down a criminal conspiracy in a KGB-like operation like Obama's FBI and DOJ necessarily takes time. Progress is being made! Most of the facts are now established and are contained in the Horowitz Report--for those who can read and comprehend them. Justice grinds slowly, but grinds fine, and the TRUTH will be known well before the next election.

Hate to break it to you but most of what you just posted has been debunked in the Senate Hearing. And you are just repeating Rumps shopping list for crap to cover up his transgressions. We ain't buying what you are selling.

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You liberal cocksuckers have literally worn out the word "Debunked". It just doesn't mean shit anymore---particularly, as here, when you have nothing but your own unsupported remark.

If you kids wouldn't bring us so many conspiracy theories to use it on we'd all be better off.

 

[Zorro!]

It wasn't illegal. Ask DJT Appointee.

It was illegal. As Horowitz confirmed, when you lie to FISC to get spying authority, the spying is illegal.

FISA court's rebuke of the FBI: It broke or ignored the rules and our rights

Crooked Comey, Head of The Corrupt FBI​

FISA court's rebuke of the FBI: It broke or ignored the rules and our rights

The presiding judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) has issued a stinging rebuke to the FBI in the wake of Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report on the bureau’s serial abuses in the surveillance of Carter Page.

In the FISC’s assessment, the derelictions in the Page surveillance warrants are so serious, the court’s judges cannot be confident that any warrant applications the FBI has submitted are accurate and complete — i.e., that the bureau’s assertions have been true and, even if true, were not misleading because of the omission of relevant information.

Consequently, in an extraordinary public order on Tuesday, the secret court’s presiding judge, Rosemary Collyer, directed the Justice Department and the FBI to conduct a thorough review of all submissions the bureau has made to the FISC. They have about three weeks (until Jan. 10, 2020) to explain what steps have been taken to assure the candor of each submission.

The FBI May Be Habitual Liars To The Court
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Given that there have been many submissions, this seems like a great burden in such a crunched time frame. The FISC, however, is simply demanding to be satisfied that the FBI has done what it has led the court to believe it has been doing all along. Justice Department and FBI procedures, along with FISC rules, require that every factual assertion in an application to the FISC be verified and accurate. The bureau is supposed to go through this process of validating every fact alleged in every foreign intelligence surveillance case as a matter of routine.

The Page surveillance warrants demonstrate that the process either is broken or has been ignored.

It is obviously vital that the court take curative action. The inspector general’s (IG) report outlines shocking deception of the FISC and violations of Page’s civil rights. The court has supervisory responsibility over the orders it has issued, and it must evaluate the credibility of future government submissions. The IG report’s revelations, moreover, come on the heels of Obama-era surveillance abuses. In 2016, for example, the court observed that, in administering FISA programs, the intelligence community was guilty of an “institutional lack of candor” — engaging in and concealing the unauthorized interception of communications. The same intelligence community, on the watch of CIA Director John Brennan, was caught hacking the Senate Intelligence Committee.

The most palpable problem with FISA involves what Judge Collyer describes as the heightened duty of candor.

It is not unusual for investigators to meet secretly with judges to obtain highly intrusive warrants. But there’s a big difference between criminal investigations and counterintelligence: When FBI criminal investigators and federal prosecutors secretly apply to a judge for an eavesdropping, search, or arrest warrant, they know their work is going to be checked. In the criminal justice system, the operating assumption is that there eventually will be an indictment, which will trigger due process requirements of discovery. If government officials have made false or misleading statements to the court, if they have withheld critical exculpatory information, that will become known. There will be serious consequences.

In stark contrast, counterintelligence is classified. The goal is to collect information for national security purposes, not build criminal prosecutions. The vast majority of the time, there will be no indictment — and certainly no discovery. The system has no internal check to keep people honest.

In FISA proceedings, the only due process an American can ever get occurs in that secret meeting between the judge and officials from the Justice Department and FBI. If the FISC cannot ensure that intelligence officials honor the codified standards of integrity and transparency, the system fails. And unlike defense counsel in a criminal case (many of whom are former prosecutors), the court is not staffed with experienced investigators. It has neither the capability nor the institutional competence to pore over government submissions, spot the weaknesses, locate witnesses, examine documentary proof and dismantle a weak government presentation. That is not the judges’ fault. What we are talking about is simply not their job. Thus, the court has no choice but to rely on the government’s candor.

That is not to say the court is blameless. Judge Collyer is right to be outraged at the FBI’s malfeasance here (as well as the Justice Department’s failure to detect it). She has nothing to say, though, about the uncomfortable fact that the FISC did a poor job here, too. The version of the Page warrants made available publicly is heavily redacted, but what has been revealed shows the probable cause showing was rife with problems — uncorroborated sources; the FBI permitted to “speculate” and offer its “beliefs” about its main informant, rather than being pressed by the court to question him; news media stories offered as evidence, and relied on for 11 months even though the FBI had plenty of time to do independent investigation.

And even after it had become apparent, based on congressional investigations, that significant abuses had occurred, former FISC Chief Judge John Bates made this astonishing public statement:

“I will note, and note with some force, that I have seen nothing that indicates that the court was misled, that the Department of Justice or the intelligence community made misrepresentations to the court.”​

Really?

The court’s very different yet equally important task is to sit in judgment if someone such as Carter Page brings a lawsuit against the FBI. The judiciary’s legitimacy is damaged when judges participate, however unwittingly, in the violation of an American’s civil rights.

 

[edthecynic]

More education for those who watch CNN and MSNBC:IG Report On FBI Spying Exposes "Scandal Of Historic Magnitude" For US Media

More education for TrumpChumps, zerohedge is a Russian propaganda site!