The Horse? Really? They couldn't even leave Traveller alone?

[BackAgain]

They paved over the gravesite of Toto from the wizard of Oz. He did more for this country than Lee's stupid horse or Lee himself for that matter.

They paved over the grave of an ancient King of England, too.

Of course, by that time nobody knew the poor late sovereign even was there.

 

[occupied]

I don’t give a shit about the losing Confederacy.

We can indeed presently access information about even the losers in history.

But what is the need of desecrating the last resting place of a horse. I doubt the horse ever endorsed slavery.

Imagine there's a memorial grave marker for Hitler's dog. Would anyone believe that having Hitler's name on a dog grave has nothing to do with Nazism?

 

[occupied]

They paved over the grave of an ancient King of England, too.

Of course, by that time nobody knew the poor late sovereign even was there.

I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

 

[BackAgain]

Imagine there's a memorial grave marker for Hitler's dog. Would anyone believe that having Hitler's name on a dog grave has nothing to do with Nazism?

It might have something to do with history. And the scumbags were a part of history.

So is it now your admission that your goal is to erase history?

 

[occupied]

My goal other than shooting the shit on a message board is simply to say that the confederate leaders do not deserve public honors and neither do their animals. I've asked already what these men did that deserve a place of honor forever. No one seems to have a straight answer for that.

 

[BackAgain]

My goal other than shooting the shit on a message board is simply to say that the confederate leaders do not deserve public honors and neither do their animals. I've asked already what these men did that deserve a place of honor forever. No one seems to have a straight answer for that.

I counsel caution.

While I don’t give much of a damn about the old Confederacy and I’m happy they lost our Civil War, I still think it is ok to allow the dead to rest in peace. But, more importantly, I think we need to be very careful about scrubbing history.

There are many reasons for that. We all have heard that people who don’t learn from history are destined to repeat its mistakes. Posterity can’t be warned of the evils of Naziism if nobody can even write the word “Nazi.”

 

[Leo123]

My goal other than shooting the shit on a message board is simply to say that the confederate leaders do not deserve public honors and neither do their animals. I've asked already what these men did that deserve a place of honor forever. No one seems to have a straight answer for that.

The Confederacy represents the nation wrenching-crap Democrats can do. No wonder they want to erase all memory of their garbage.

 

[hadit]

Just being a veteran does not earn you a statue downtown in the park. You have to do something heroic or make a great sacrifice. Do something to remember. Surely you can articulate what the leaders of the confederacy did that deserves a place of honor.

Most of them were fighting for their home, family and property against invasion and sacrificed everything they had. It was the north, after all, that went to war to prevent the states from seceding. The south was not attempting to overthrow the US government, just secede to form their own nation, much like the Founding Fathers had done to Britain just a century previously.

That is the difference between winning and losing. Win, and you're a Founding Father. Lose, and you're a traitor for doing the exact same thing.

 

[occupied]

Most of them were fighting for their home, family and property against invasion and sacrificed everything they had. It was the north, after all, that went to war to prevent the states from seceding. The south was not attempting to overthrow the US government, just secede to form their own nation, much like the Founding Fathers had done to Britain just a century previously.

That is the difference between winning and losing. Win, and you're a Founding Father. Lose, and you're a traitor for doing the exact same thing.

The south had no intention of keeping to their states and minding their own business. They intended to expand. They wanted to become a net exporter of slaves. They were worried about getting outnumbered. If you doubt this I refer you to civil war warm up called the Kansas border wars or "bleeding" Kansas. The south attempted to make Kansas a slave state by force.

 

[hadit]

The south had no intention of keeping to their states and minding their own business. They intended to expand. They wanted to become a net exporter of slaves. They were worried about getting outnumbered. If you doubt this I refer you to civil war warm up called the Kansas border wars or "bleeding" Kansas. The south attempted to make Kansas a slave state by force.

I will also remind you that it was the north that fired the first shot and kicked off the war. The south had no intention of overturning the US government.

 

[occupied]

I will also remind you that it was the north that fired the first shot and kicked off the war. The south had no intention of overturning the US government.

You're wrong there. Plenty of rhetoric flying around at the time that made it clear the confederacy had no intention of being peaceful. They wanted the west for a place to send white trash and sell them slaves. If we didn't have the civil war in the east we would have definitely had to fight them for territory in the west. There's also the certainty that no North/South militarized border would have ever worked. All this so that 16000 people could stay rich.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

They paved over the gravesite of Toto from the wizard of Oz. He did more for this country than Lee's stupid horse or Lee himself for that matter.

Oh grow the fuck up! Statues and historical markers serve more than one purpose. For the local areas, they can help the economy by bringing in people from out of town. For educational purposes, it gives people a visual and very brief description of what the marker is about. It's up to people themselves to learn more about it.

While Toto may have been a part of movie history, he wasn't a part of the history of this country that impacted how we got to where we are today in the political sense. Just bringing up that reference alone makes me think you're more invested in the historical preservation of the entertainment industry than the preservation of American history, whether it be good or bad. Hiding the truth by tearing down statues and markers will eventually lead to the events being left out of history books. From there, people won't know what happened in the past and will eventually repeat what was long forgotten.

 

[occupied]

Oh grow the fuck up! Statues and historical markers serve more than one purpose. For the local areas, they can help the economy by bringing in people from out of town. For educational purposes, it gives people a visual and very brief description of what the marker is about. It's up to people themselves to learn more about it.

While Toto may have been a part of movie history, he wasn't a part of the history of this country that impacted how we got to where we are today in the political sense. Just bringing up that reference alone makes me think you're more invested in the historical preservation of the entertainment industry than the preservation of American history, whether it be good or bad. Hiding the truth by tearing down statues and markers will eventually lead to the events being left out of history books. From there, people won't know what happened in the past and will eventually repeat what was long forgotten.

I don't buy into the repeating history argument. Maybe that might have been kind of true back in the olden days but with stuff like AI and bio-engineering in the works no one can look to history for guidance.

 

[hadit]

You're wrong there. Plenty of rhetoric flying around at the time that made it clear the confederacy had no intention of being peaceful. They wanted the west for a place to send white trash and sell them slaves. If we didn't have the civil war in the east we would have definitely had to fight them for territory in the west. There's also the certainty that no North/South militarized border would have ever worked. All this so that 16000 people could stay rich.

They wanted to form their own country, that's the point. They didn't intend to invade and conquer the northern states. I would like to see your sources that say they did.