The Homosexual Dilemma

[AVG-JOE]

Brokeback Mountain is a good example of how much gays contribute, right? These two shepherds are supposed to be guarding the sheep. Instead, they're having gay, faggoty butt sex while wolves are killing their sheep. Yet the whole movie was about how they're "victims". This kind of self delusion is at the heart of this thread.

The hate-speech really reflects poorly off your Avatar, Bud. Just saying...

As for the heart of the thread, it's all about the government treating everyone equally, the hate demonstrated above notwithstanding.

If you don't like seeing gay people being affectionate with each other, don't look.

 

[ImGoing2Heaven]

Brokeback Mountain is a good example of how much gays contribute, right? These two shepherds are supposed to be guarding the sheep. Instead, they're having gay, faggoty butt sex while wolves are killing their sheep. Yet the whole movie was about how they're "victims". This kind of self delusion is at the heart of this thread.

The hate-speech really reflects poorly off your Avatar, Bud. Just saying...

As for the heart of the thread, it's all about the government treating everyone equally, the hate demonstrated above notwithstanding.

If you don't like seeing gay people being affectionate with each other, don't look.

Or they can stop choosing to be gay.
Just saying...

 

[AVG-JOE]

How is heterosexuality being shoved in your face?

By the standard *you've* set, where the mere exist of gays in the media is homosexuality being 'shoved down your throat'?

Off the top of my head, the Bachelor and the Bachelorette. The Dating game. Any show that has straight people. Any mention of straight people in the media, news, press, or television.

Typical. 95% of the pop is straight. You act like the gayz should get half of the media.

And one key job of the government is to protect minority rights.

Don't you just love it when the system begins to work as it was intended on paper? ​

 

[JakeStarkey]

Neither argument above is rational in light of the Constitution's 14th Amendment.

Whether same sex attraction is genetic or chosen or a combination matters not at all.

 

[1751_Texan]

You ask many people, perhaps even most, they'll tell you that they don't care what people do in the privacy of their bedroom, they just don't want it rubbed in their face.

So what has the homosexual movement been doing for the past several years?

Yeah, you got it.

Consider how pervasive the gay agenda has become.

1. The forcing of gay marriage not by persuasion and winning hearts and minds, but through judicial activism. Never in U.S. history has there ever been an overturning of the will of the people that didn't lead to war.

2. Workplaces have become a nightmare as gays and transgenders are given special rights and considerations and political correctness is enforced so that everyone is forced to walk on eggshells

3. Schools. Now parents have to wonder if their teenage daughter has to share the girls restroom with a boy who thinks he's a girl. The homosexual and transgender agenda is pushed unabashed onto young minds.

4. Football. Players seek fame not the old fashioned way, through athletic accomplishment, but by "coming out". Since when is being homosexual an accomplishment?

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?

.

1. The forcing of gay marriage not by persuasion and winning hearts and minds, but through judicial activism. Never in U.S. history has there ever been an overturning of the will of the people that didn't lead to war.

No one has forced you to a gay marriage. No one has forced you to accept gay marriage. Your opinion of gay marriage is not relevant to those that will marry.

2. Workplaces have become a nightmare as gays and transgenders are given special rights and considerations and political correctness is enforced so that everyone is forced to walk on eggshells

There is absolutely no special right on homosexuality in the work place. There is not one law protecting homosexuals in the work place...NOT ONE.

3. Schools. Now parents have to wonder if their teenage daughter has to share the girls restroom with a boy who thinks he's a girl. The homosexual and transgender agenda is pushed unabashed onto young minds.

There is not one incident in which any school child has to share the restroom with a transgendered child. You can not post one example of that policy in place in any school in America.

4. Football. Players seek fame not the old fashioned way, through athletic accomplishment, but by "coming out". Since when is being homosexual an accomplishment?

Irrelevant mumblings

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?

Christians and Jews are worse. This thread is proof positive.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Brokeback Mountain is a good example of how much gays contribute, right? These two shepherds are supposed to be guarding the sheep. Instead, they're having gay, faggoty butt sex while wolves are killing their sheep. Yet the whole movie was about how they're "victims". This kind of self delusion is at the heart of this thread.

The hate-speech really reflects poorly off your Avatar, Bud. Just saying...

As for the heart of the thread, it's all about the government treating everyone equally, the hate demonstrated above notwithstanding.

If you don't like seeing gay people being affectionate with each other, don't look.

Or they can stop choosing to be gay.
Just saying...

Why should ANYONE be forced to conform to your religious 'norms'?

Is freedom of thought no longer valued? Is freedom of lifestyle only o.k. for people YOU deem to be 'normal'?

What a truly arrogant thing to say.

Are you sure that you're Going2Heaven? I heard that Love was the ticket in and the self-righteous need not apply.

What IS love if not tolerance of each others beliefs and lifestyles?

Love Thy Neighbor...​

 

[80zephyr]

Limiting it to two is discriminatory. I mean, why can't a bi-sexual marry both the man and the woman he/she loves?

Mark

Because limiting ALL partnerships to one partner at a time is not discriminatory.

Now if someone were to propose that everyone EXCEPT Christians could marry two partners at a time, that would be discriminatory.

The simplest social rules are what our constitution demands. Interests deemed "Special" by the private sector should come as no surprise while interests deemed "Special" by any level of government is an abomination.

Treat all partnerships the same. Easy-squeezy.

So, if limiting marriage to two is not discriminatory, then so is limiting marriage to one man and one woman. After all, everyone would live under the same law.

I mean, if we use your logic as a basis for our actions. Treat all partnerships the same.

Mark

It's about treating all partnerships the same.

If everyone can only marry one person - there is no discrimmination.

If everyone BUT flat footed people can marry more than one partner at a time -- then it is discrimminatory.

Like I said, I am treating them all the same, so there is no discrimination.

Mark

I added to my post but you answered before I finished.

Here are the possible marriage options - consenting adults only.
a. Men can marry women.
b. Women can marry women.
c. Men can marry men.

All can marry only one partner - thus no discrimmination.

If we only allow a. - then we are discrimminating against b and c.

Simply not true. If everyone is treated the same, there is no discrimination. If the law changed where a black could only marry a white, there would be no discrimination.

Everyone is treated equally.

Mark

 

[Coyote]

Limiting it to two is discriminatory. I mean, why can't a bi-sexual marry both the man and the woman he/she loves?

Mark

Because limiting ALL partnerships to one partner at a time is not discriminatory.

Now if someone were to propose that everyone EXCEPT Christians could marry two partners at a time, that would be discriminatory.

The simplest social rules are what our constitution demands. Interests deemed "Special" by the private sector should come as no surprise while interests deemed "Special" by any level of government is an abomination.

Treat all partnerships the same. Easy-squeezy.

Requiring marriage to a partner of the opposite sex was also applied equally, regardless of race, gender, or even sexual orientation.

Take that argument a step back in history: Requiring marriage to a partner of the same race was also applied equally.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

And Sodom fell
The Bible

The lesson being that all good fathers should all offer their underage daughters to be gang raped, and a day or two later, impregnate them!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Limiting it to two is discriminatory. I mean, why can't a bi-sexual marry both the man and the woman he/she loves?

Mark

Because limiting ALL partnerships to one partner at a time is not discriminatory.

Now if someone were to propose that everyone EXCEPT Christians could marry two partners at a time, that would be discriminatory.

The simplest social rules are what our constitution demands. Interests deemed "Special" by the private sector should come as no surprise while interests deemed "Special" by any level of government is an abomination.

Treat all partnerships the same. Easy-squeezy.

Requiring marriage to a partner of the opposite sex was also applied equally, regardless of race, gender, or even sexual orientation.

Take that argument a step back in history: Requiring marriage to a partner of the same race was also applied equally.

Virginia tried to argue there was no racial discrimination but there was. The court determined:

"There is patently no legitimate overriding purpose independent of invidious racial discrimination which justifies this classification. The fact that Virginia prohibits only interracial marriages involving white persons demonstrates that the racial classifications must stand on their own justification, as measures designed to maintain White Supremacy."

Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You're in good company. A lot of Leftists miss that one.

 

[Coyote]

Are you the same Coyote I've come to know and love?

umh....maybe?

Then you'll remember I have some close gay friends who I highly respect. You and I discussed them at length on other forums. It isn't gay people I have a problem with, it's the assholes.

oh...I'm not the same Coyote then (I don't think)....maybe you remember Segap who also went by Coyote in places?

Anyway....assholes are assholes regardless of sexual orientation

Coyote and a martini? Ok, different coyote.

My drink of choice:

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You ask many people, perhaps even most, they'll tell you that they don't care what people do in the privacy of their bedroom, they just don't want it rubbed in their face.

So what has the homosexual movement been doing for the past several years?

Yeah, you got it.

Consider how pervasive the gay agenda has become.

1. The forcing of gay marriage not by persuasion and winning hearts and minds, but through judicial activism. Never in U.S. history has there ever been an overturning of the will of the people that didn't lead to war.

2. Workplaces have become a nightmare as gays and transgenders are given special rights and considerations and political correctness is enforced so that everyone is forced to walk on eggshells

3. Schools. Now parents have to wonder if their teenage daughter has to share the girls restroom with a boy who thinks he's a girl. The homosexual and transgender agenda is pushed unabashed onto young minds.

4. Football. Players seek fame not the old fashioned way, through athletic accomplishment, but by "coming out". Since when is being homosexual an accomplishment?

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?

.

1. The forcing of gay marriage not by persuasion and winning hearts and minds, but through judicial activism. Never in U.S. history has there ever been an overturning of the will of the people that didn't lead to war.

No one has forced you to a gay marriage. No one has forced you to accept gay marriage. Your opinion of gay marriage is not relevant to those that will marry.

2. Workplaces have become a nightmare as gays and transgenders are given special rights and considerations and political correctness is enforced so that everyone is forced to walk on eggshells

There is absolutely no special right on homosexuality in the work place. There is not one law protecting homosexuals in the work place...NOT ONE.

3. Schools. Now parents have to wonder if their teenage daughter has to share the girls restroom with a boy who thinks he's a girl. The homosexual and transgender agenda is pushed unabashed onto young minds.

There is not one incident in which any school child has to share the restroom with a transgendered child. You can not post one example of that policy in place in any school in America.

4. Football. Players seek fame not the old fashioned way, through athletic accomplishment, but by "coming out". Since when is being homosexual an accomplishment?

Irrelevant mumblings

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?

Christians and Jews are worse. This thread is proof positive.

Are you a moderator? Then quit posting in emboldened red. I won't respond to any post like yours. Please refer to USMB rules. It's moderators who post in emboldened red.

 

[hjmick]

You ask many people, perhaps even most, they'll tell you that they don't care what people do in the privacy of their bedroom, they just don't want it rubbed in their face.

So what has the homosexual movement been doing for the past several years?

Yeah, you got it.

Consider how pervasive the gay agenda has become.

1. The forcing of gay marriage not by persuasion and winning hearts and minds, but through judicial activism. Never in U.S. history has there ever been an overturning of the will of the people that didn't lead to war.

2. Workplaces have become a nightmare as gays and transgenders are given special rights and considerations and political correctness is enforced so that everyone is forced to walk on eggshells

3. Schools. Now parents have to wonder if their teenage daughter has to share the girls restroom with a boy who thinks he's a girl. The homosexual and transgender agenda is pushed unabashed onto young minds.

4. Football. Players seek fame not the old fashioned way, through athletic accomplishment, but by "coming out". Since when is being homosexual an accomplishment?

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?

.

1. The forcing of gay marriage not by persuasion and winning hearts and minds, but through judicial activism. Never in U.S. history has there ever been an overturning of the will of the people that didn't lead to war.

No one has forced you to a gay marriage. No one has forced you to accept gay marriage. Your opinion of gay marriage is not relevant to those that will marry.

2. Workplaces have become a nightmare as gays and transgenders are given special rights and considerations and political correctness is enforced so that everyone is forced to walk on eggshells

There is absolutely no special right on homosexuality in the work place. There is not one law protecting homosexuals in the work place...NOT ONE.

3. Schools. Now parents have to wonder if their teenage daughter has to share the girls restroom with a boy who thinks he's a girl. The homosexual and transgender agenda is pushed unabashed onto young minds.

There is not one incident in which any school child has to share the restroom with a transgendered child. You can not post one example of that policy in place in any school in America.

4. Football. Players seek fame not the old fashioned way, through athletic accomplishment, but by "coming out". Since when is being homosexual an accomplishment?

Irrelevant mumblings

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?

Christians and Jews are worse. This thread is proof positive.

Are you a moderator? Then quit posting in emboldened red. I won't respond to any post like yours. Please refer to USMB rules. It's moderators who post in emboldened red.

That's one way to avoid addressing facts you don't like...

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Are you the same Coyote I've come to know and love?

umh....maybe?

Then you'll remember I have some close gay friends who I highly respect. You and I discussed them at length on other forums. It isn't gay people I have a problem with, it's the assholes.

oh...I'm not the same Coyote then (I don't think)....maybe you remember Segap who also went by Coyote in places?

Anyway....assholes are assholes regardless of sexual orientation

Coyote and a martini? Ok, different coyote.

My drink of choice:

OMG I miss him. He was gay and freaking cool.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You ask many people, perhaps even most, they'll tell you that they don't care what people do in the privacy of their bedroom, they just don't want it rubbed in their face.

So what has the homosexual movement been doing for the past several years?

Yeah, you got it.

Consider how pervasive the gay agenda has become.

1. The forcing of gay marriage not by persuasion and winning hearts and minds, but through judicial activism. Never in U.S. history has there ever been an overturning of the will of the people that didn't lead to war.

2. Workplaces have become a nightmare as gays and transgenders are given special rights and considerations and political correctness is enforced so that everyone is forced to walk on eggshells

3. Schools. Now parents have to wonder if their teenage daughter has to share the girls restroom with a boy who thinks he's a girl. The homosexual and transgender agenda is pushed unabashed onto young minds.

4. Football. Players seek fame not the old fashioned way, through athletic accomplishment, but by "coming out". Since when is being homosexual an accomplishment?

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?

.

1. The forcing of gay marriage not by persuasion and winning hearts and minds, but through judicial activism. Never in U.S. history has there ever been an overturning of the will of the people that didn't lead to war.

No one has forced you to a gay marriage. No one has forced you to accept gay marriage. Your opinion of gay marriage is not relevant to those that will marry.

2. Workplaces have become a nightmare as gays and transgenders are given special rights and considerations and political correctness is enforced so that everyone is forced to walk on eggshells

There is absolutely no special right on homosexuality in the work place. There is not one law protecting homosexuals in the work place...NOT ONE.

3. Schools. Now parents have to wonder if their teenage daughter has to share the girls restroom with a boy who thinks he's a girl. The homosexual and transgender agenda is pushed unabashed onto young minds.

There is not one incident in which any school child has to share the restroom with a transgendered child. You can not post one example of that policy in place in any school in America.

4. Football. Players seek fame not the old fashioned way, through athletic accomplishment, but by "coming out". Since when is being homosexual an accomplishment?

Irrelevant mumblings

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?

Christians and Jews are worse. This thread is proof positive.

Are you a moderator? Then quit posting in emboldened red. I won't respond to any post like yours. Please refer to USMB rules. It's moderators who post in emboldened red.

That's one way to avoid addressing facts you don't like...

If he edits his post, I'll respond to it.

 

[whitehall]

About 98% of pedophiles are male. Sexual fantasies of heterosexual pedophiles revolve around young girls. Yet the homosexual lobby insists that Americans should risk the physical and mental health of young boys by being forced by law to hire overt homosexuals to supervise boys. When the BSA won their victory in court the homosexual lobby put them on the hit list. The hypocrisy is stunning.

 

[Coyote]

Because limiting ALL partnerships to one partner at a time is not discriminatory.

Now if someone were to propose that everyone EXCEPT Christians could marry two partners at a time, that would be discriminatory.

The simplest social rules are what our constitution demands. Interests deemed "Special" by the private sector should come as no surprise while interests deemed "Special" by any level of government is an abomination.

Treat all partnerships the same. Easy-squeezy.

So, if limiting marriage to two is not discriminatory, then so is limiting marriage to one man and one woman. After all, everyone would live under the same law.

I mean, if we use your logic as a basis for our actions. Treat all partnerships the same.

Mark

It's about treating all partnerships the same.

If everyone can only marry one person - there is no discrimmination.

If everyone BUT flat footed people can marry more than one partner at a time -- then it is discrimminatory.

Like I said, I am treating them all the same, so there is no discrimination.

Mark

I added to my post but you answered before I finished.

Here are the possible marriage options - consenting adults only.
a. Men can marry women.
b. Women can marry women.
c. Men can marry men.

All can marry only one partner - thus no discrimmination.

If we only allow a. - then we are discrimminating against b and c.

Simply not true. If everyone is treated the same, there is no discrimination. If the law changed where a black could only marry a white, there would be no discrimination.

Everyone is treated equally.

Mark

Laws can be discriminatory in themselves - the example you gave above is one.

Laws should be as broad and inclusive as they can be without endangering people or the public. That's how I see it.

You can't allow adults to marry children - it's clearly damaging to children and children can not legally consent or understand the ramifications of what is happening to them. Incest is another area where there is potential damage if they choose to have children. But on the issue of gender there is no damage to society or to the individuals themselves.

Marriage should be between two consenting human adults - that's broad, inclusive and non-discrimminatory.

Who is being discrimminated against there? No one.

The next argument would be polygamy. I personally don't care if a someone chooses multiple spouses - to me, it's an individual choice between consenting adults. But I've heard reasonable arguments against it as well but that usually occurs in other countries.

 

[1751_Texan]

You ask many people, perhaps even most, they'll tell you that they don't care what people do in the privacy of their bedroom, they just don't want it rubbed in their face.

So what has the homosexual movement been doing for the past several years?

Yeah, you got it.

Consider how pervasive the gay agenda has become.

1. The forcing of gay marriage not by persuasion and winning hearts and minds, but through judicial activism. Never in U.S. history has there ever been an overturning of the will of the people that didn't lead to war.

2. Workplaces have become a nightmare as gays and transgenders are given special rights and considerations and political correctness is enforced so that everyone is forced to walk on eggshells

3. Schools. Now parents have to wonder if their teenage daughter has to share the girls restroom with a boy who thinks he's a girl. The homosexual and transgender agenda is pushed unabashed onto young minds.

4. Football. Players seek fame not the old fashioned way, through athletic accomplishment, but by "coming out". Since when is being homosexual an accomplishment?

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?

.

1. The forcing of gay marriage not by persuasion and winning hearts and minds, but through judicial activism. Never in U.S. history has there ever been an overturning of the will of the people that didn't lead to war.

No one has forced you to a gay marriage. No one has forced you to accept gay marriage. Your opinion of gay marriage is not relevant to those that will marry.

2. Workplaces have become a nightmare as gays and transgenders are given special rights and considerations and political correctness is enforced so that everyone is forced to walk on eggshells

There is absolutely no special right on homosexuality in the work place. There is not one law protecting homosexuals in the work place...NOT ONE.

3. Schools. Now parents have to wonder if their teenage daughter has to share the girls restroom with a boy who thinks he's a girl. The homosexual and transgender agenda is pushed unabashed onto young minds.

There is not one incident in which any school child has to share the restroom with a transgendered child. You can not post one example of that policy in place in any school in America.

4. Football. Players seek fame not the old fashioned way, through athletic accomplishment, but by "coming out". Since when is being homosexual an accomplishment?

Irrelevant mumblings

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?

Christians and Jews are worse. This thread is proof positive.

Are you a moderator? Then quit posting in emboldened red. I won't respond to any post like yours. Please refer to USMB rules. It's moderators who post in emboldened red.

I can go back and change the color, that will not change the content.

 

[Coyote]

Limiting it to two is discriminatory. I mean, why can't a bi-sexual marry both the man and the woman he/she loves?

Mark

Because limiting ALL partnerships to one partner at a time is not discriminatory.

Now if someone were to propose that everyone EXCEPT Christians could marry two partners at a time, that would be discriminatory.

The simplest social rules are what our constitution demands. Interests deemed "Special" by the private sector should come as no surprise while interests deemed "Special" by any level of government is an abomination.

Treat all partnerships the same. Easy-squeezy.

Requiring marriage to a partner of the opposite sex was also applied equally, regardless of race, gender, or even sexual orientation.

Take that argument a step back in history: Requiring marriage to a partner of the same race was also applied equally.

Virginia tried to argue there was no racial discrimination but there was. The court determined:

"There is patently no legitimate overriding purpose independent of invidious racial discrimination which justifies this classification. The fact that Virginia prohibits only interracial marriages involving white persons demonstrates that the racial classifications must stand on their own justification, as measures designed to maintain White Supremacy."

Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You're in good company. A lot of Leftists miss that one.

Interesting. Doesn't however change the fact that insisting that marriage and it's legal benefits be limited only to mixed-gender couples violates the Constitutional premise of equal treatment under the law, which is what has struck down a multitude of state bans.

The other thing...the "hearts and minds" aspect...that is exactly what has been going on as well. This wasn't pushed to the SC right off the bat - it has been going through state after state. Polls show, overwelmingly - that support for same sex marriage has been growing with over 50% in favor. To me, though - that's irrelevant because basic rights should never ever be determined by popular opinion.

 

[Iceweasel]

one has forced you to a gay marriage. No one has forced you to accept gay marriage. Your opinion of gay marriage is not relevant to those that will marry.

Gay marriage has been forced onto most states that have it by a radical minority. Most people support traditional marriage, as do the gays that use the argument that marriage can only be between two people. That is contrary to our system of laws and representative democracy. Gay marriage denies the special relationship man has with woman and pretends gender does not matter. In other words, it forces the government to propagandise a lie.

There is absolutely no special right on homosexuality in the work place. There is not one law protecting homosexuals in the work place...NOT ONE.

Some states and cities do take away the ability of an employer to fire or not hire a homosexual. Since no sexual orientation law existed before it is a special right.

There is not one incident in which any school child has to share the restroom with a transgendered child. You can not post one example of that policy in place in any school in America.

I don't know if it has happened yet but the attempt is being made.

5. Homosexuality pervades our media, our television, and virtually all facets of American life. Why do these people think they're so important? What if Christians or Jews acted like this?
Christians and Jews are worse. This thread is proof positive.

Christians are routinely mocked in the media. Homosexuals are treated like they are hip, cool, someone to be admired for their abnormal sexuality.