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[American_Jihad]

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln…Again​

February 20, 2013
By Ben Shapiro

Reprising their anti-Israel screed in Munich (2005), Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner are at it again in their widely acclaimed new best picture nominee, Lincoln. The film itself is refreshingly free of wild leftist sucker punches, except for a bizarre rewriting of history that left two Connecticut Congressmen on the wrong side of the 13th Amendment banning slavery. But that doesn’t mean that its creators won’t spin the story of Barack Obama as a replay of Lincoln’s life.

The latest move in that direction came this week when Kushner, an Israel-hating radical leftist, told Charlie Rose that Barack Obama’s big win in 2012 signified the end of the “Reagan era ideology.” He stated:

...

Hollywood has done its part to interpret Barack Obama as a great president, the same way they rewrote FDR into a dynamo of economic genius. If George W. Bush were still president, Lincoln would never have been made; no one in Hollywood would have tolerated the comparison, even inadvertent, between Bush and Obama. But Obama’s record is substantially worse than Bush’s in virtually every area, and Bush was no great shakes. The difference? Obama’s a far-left radical. And the Lincoln project is designed to achieve the same goal Barack Obama tried to achieve with his second inaugural address: hijacking American history and rewriting it to fit leftist narratives.

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln?Again

 

[Political Junky]

Tony Kushner and Steven Spieilberg are both Jewish. I doubt they're anti-Israel.

 

[Pogo]

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln…Again​

February 20, 2013
By Ben Shapiro

Reprising their anti-Israel screed in Munich (2005), Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner are at it again in their widely acclaimed new best picture nominee, Lincoln. The film itself is refreshingly free of wild leftist sucker punches, except for a bizarre rewriting of history that left two Connecticut Congressmen on the wrong side of the 13th Amendment banning slavery. But that doesn’t mean that its creators won’t spin the story of Barack Obama as a replay of Lincoln’s life.

The latest move in that direction came this week when Kushner, an Israel-hating radical leftist, told Charlie Rose that Barack Obama’s big win in 2012 signified the end of the “Reagan era ideology.” He stated:

...

Hollywood has done its part to interpret Barack Obama as a great president, the same way they rewrote FDR into a dynamo of economic genius. If George W. Bush were still president, Lincoln would never have been made; no one in Hollywood would have tolerated the comparison, even inadvertent, between Bush and Obama. But Obama’s record is substantially worse than Bush’s in virtually every area, and Bush was no great shakes. The difference? Obama’s a far-left radical. And the Lincoln project is designed to achieve the same goal Barack Obama tried to achieve with his second inaugural address: hijacking American history and rewriting it to fit leftist narratives.

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln?Again

Actually what was "hijacked" is your own article. That's not a Kushner quote at all; it's part of the blog. You misquoted the whole thing. Kushner said none of the above.

Are you working for the DNC to make the right look stupid? Because if you are, you deserve a raise.

 

[American_Jihad]

Tony Kushner and Steven Spieilberg are both Jewish. I doubt they're anti-Israel.

The left in general are self loathing...

 

[American_Jihad]

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln…Again​

February 20, 2013
By Ben Shapiro

Reprising their anti-Israel screed in Munich (2005), Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner are at it again in their widely acclaimed new best picture nominee, Lincoln. The film itself is refreshingly free of wild leftist sucker punches, except for a bizarre rewriting of history that left two Connecticut Congressmen on the wrong side of the 13th Amendment banning slavery. But that doesn’t mean that its creators won’t spin the story of Barack Obama as a replay of Lincoln’s life.

The latest move in that direction came this week when Kushner, an Israel-hating radical leftist, told Charlie Rose that Barack Obama’s big win in 2012 signified the end of the “Reagan era ideology.” He stated:

...

Hollywood has done its part to interpret Barack Obama as a great president, the same way they rewrote FDR into a dynamo of economic genius. If George W. Bush were still president, Lincoln would never have been made; no one in Hollywood would have tolerated the comparison, even inadvertent, between Bush and Obama. But Obama’s record is substantially worse than Bush’s in virtually every area, and Bush was no great shakes. The difference? Obama’s a far-left radical. And the Lincoln project is designed to achieve the same goal Barack Obama tried to achieve with his second inaugural address: hijacking American history and rewriting it to fit leftist narratives.

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln?Again

Actually what was "hijacked" is your own article. That's not a Kushner quote at all; it's part of the blog. You misquoted the whole thing. Kushner said none of the above.

Are you working for the DNC to make the right look stupid? Because if you are, you deserve a raise.

And yet you don't supply any links to back up yo liberal B/S...

Watching the Obama presidency through the lens of Lincoln has been a transformative thing for me - Google Search.

Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner rewriting history - Google Search


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[Pogo]

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln…Again​

February 20, 2013
By Ben Shapiro

Reprising their anti-Israel screed in Munich (2005), Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner are at it again in their widely acclaimed new best picture nominee, Lincoln. The film itself is refreshingly free of wild leftist sucker punches, except for a bizarre rewriting of history that left two Connecticut Congressmen on the wrong side of the 13th Amendment banning slavery. But that doesn’t mean that its creators won’t spin the story of Barack Obama as a replay of Lincoln’s life.

The latest move in that direction came this week when Kushner, an Israel-hating radical leftist, told Charlie Rose that Barack Obama’s big win in 2012 signified the end of the “Reagan era ideology.” He stated:

...

Hollywood has done its part to interpret Barack Obama as a great president, the same way they rewrote FDR into a dynamo of economic genius. If George W. Bush were still president, Lincoln would never have been made; no one in Hollywood would have tolerated the comparison, even inadvertent, between Bush and Obama. But Obama’s record is substantially worse than Bush’s in virtually every area, and Bush was no great shakes. The difference? Obama’s a far-left radical. And the Lincoln project is designed to achieve the same goal Barack Obama tried to achieve with his second inaugural address: hijacking American history and rewriting it to fit leftist narratives.

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln?Again

Actually what was "hijacked" is your own article. That's not a Kushner quote at all; it's part of the blog. You misquoted the whole thing. Kushner said none of the above.

Are you working for the DNC to make the right look stupid? Because if you are, you deserve a raise.

And yet you don't supply any links to back up yo liberal B/S...

Watching the Obama presidency through the lens of Lincoln has been a transformative thing for me - Google Search.

Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner rewriting history - Google Search


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Duh - it's your link I'm talking about, dumbass.
How do you quote from your own links without reading them??

That note isn't "conservative" or "liberal" -- it's editorial. You claimed this Kushner guy said something that he didn't say. You put a blogger's words in his mouth. That's what "misrepresented" means. Also known as "lying".

Dumb shit.

 

[American_Jihad]

Actually what was "hijacked" is your own article. That's not a Kushner quote at all; it's part of the blog. You misquoted the whole thing. Kushner said none of the above.

Are you working for the DNC to make the right look stupid? Because if you are, you deserve a raise.

And yet you don't supply any links to back up yo liberal B/S...

Watching the Obama presidency through the lens of Lincoln has been a transformative thing for me - Google Search.

Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner rewriting history - Google Search


...

Duh - it's your link I'm talking about, dumbass.
How do you quote from your own links without reading them??

That note isn't "conservative" or "liberal" -- it's editorial. You claimed this Kushner guy said something that he didn't say. You put a blogger's words in his mouth. That's what "misrepresented" means. Also known as "lying".

Dumb shit.

And yet you don't supply any links to back up yo liberal B/S...

Watching the Obama presidency through the lens of Lincoln has been a transformative thing for me - Google Search.

Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner rewriting history - Google Search


Yawn, that was EZ...

 

[Pogo]

This IS the link, retard.... the one in your OP. Again, read s l o w... this is not a political comment, it's editorial. Watch, I'll highlight where you fucked up in your fog of ignorance:

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln…Again​

February 20, 2013
By Ben Shapiro

Reprising their anti-Israel screed in Munich (2005), Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner are at it again in their widely acclaimed new best picture nominee, Lincoln. The film itself is refreshingly free of wild leftist sucker punches, except for a bizarre rewriting of history that left two Connecticut Congressmen on the wrong side of the 13th Amendment banning slavery. But that doesn’t mean that its creators won’t spin the story of Barack Obama as a replay of Lincoln’s life.

The latest move in that direction came this week when Kushner, an Israel-hating radical leftist, told Charlie Rose that Barack Obama’s big win in 2012 signified the end of the “Reagan era ideology.” He stated:

...

Hollywood has done its part to interpret Barack Obama as a great president, the same way they rewrote FDR into a dynamo of economic genius. If George W. Bush were still president, Lincoln would never have been made; no one in Hollywood would have tolerated the comparison, even inadvertent, between Bush and Obama. But Obama’s record is substantially worse than Bush’s in virtually every area, and Bush was no great shakes. The difference? Obama’s a far-left radical. And the Lincoln project is designed to achieve the same goal Barack Obama tried to achieve with his second inaugural address: hijacking American history and rewriting it to fit leftist narratives.

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln?Again

See the part in big red letters???

That's where you're lying. Kushner said none of that. Zero. What you followed "He stated" with was the body of what the blogger wrote. It's not a quote. It's a blog.

Learn to read.

 

[American_Jihad]

This IS the link, retard.... the one in your OP. Again, read s l o w... this is not a political comment, it's editorial. Watch, I'll highlight where you fucked up in your fog of ignorance:

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln…Again​

February 20, 2013
By Ben Shapiro

Reprising their anti-Israel screed in Munich (2005), Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner are at it again in their widely acclaimed new best picture nominee, Lincoln. The film itself is refreshingly free of wild leftist sucker punches, except for a bizarre rewriting of history that left two Connecticut Congressmen on the wrong side of the 13th Amendment banning slavery. But that doesn’t mean that its creators won’t spin the story of Barack Obama as a replay of Lincoln’s life.

The latest move in that direction came this week when Kushner, an Israel-hating radical leftist, told Charlie Rose that Barack Obama’s big win in 2012 signified the end of the “Reagan era ideology.” He stated:

...

Hollywood has done its part to interpret Barack Obama as a great president, the same way they rewrote FDR into a dynamo of economic genius. If George W. Bush were still president, Lincoln would never have been made; no one in Hollywood would have tolerated the comparison, even inadvertent, between Bush and Obama. But Obama’s record is substantially worse than Bush’s in virtually every area, and Bush was no great shakes. The difference? Obama’s a far-left radical. And the Lincoln project is designed to achieve the same goal Barack Obama tried to achieve with his second inaugural address: hijacking American history and rewriting it to fit leftist narratives.

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln?Again

See the part in big red letters???

That's where you're lying. Kushner said none of that. Zero. What you followed "He stated" with was the body of what the blogger wrote. It's not a quote. It's a blog.

Learn to read.

And you know I consider myself a person of the left. And — and I have left impatience with the pace - Google Search

Again, That was EZ...

 

[GHook93]

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln…Again​

February 20, 2013
By Ben Shapiro

Reprising their anti-Israel screed in Munich (2005), Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner are at it again in their widely acclaimed new best picture nominee, Lincoln. The film itself is refreshingly free of wild leftist sucker punches, except for a bizarre rewriting of history that left two Connecticut Congressmen on the wrong side of the 13th Amendment banning slavery. But that doesn’t mean that its creators won’t spin the story of Barack Obama as a replay of Lincoln’s life.

The latest move in that direction came this week when Kushner, an Israel-hating radical leftist, told Charlie Rose that Barack Obama’s big win in 2012 signified the end of the “Reagan era ideology.” He stated:

...

Hollywood has done its part to interpret Barack Obama as a great president, the same way they rewrote FDR into a dynamo of economic genius. If George W. Bush were still president, Lincoln would never have been made; no one in Hollywood would have tolerated the comparison, even inadvertent, between Bush and Obama. But Obama’s record is substantially worse than Bush’s in virtually every area, and Bush was no great shakes. The difference? Obama’s a far-left radical. And the Lincoln project is designed to achieve the same goal Barack Obama tried to achieve with his second inaugural address: hijacking American history and rewriting it to fit leftist narratives.

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln?Again

How was Munich anti-Israel?

 

[GHook93]

Tony Kushner and Steven Spieilberg are both Jewish. I doubt they're anti-Israel.

Chomsky is also Jewish and he is a HUGE antisemite! Leftist Jew are usually coward, that believe if they give in to Islamofacist, then they will some how accept American, the West and Israel!

 

[jasonnfree]

Tony Kushner and Steven Spieilberg are both Jewish. I doubt they're anti-Israel.

The left in general are self loathing...

The left is self loathing? Any facts to back this up?

 

[jasonnfree]

Tony Kushner and Steven Spieilberg are both Jewish. I doubt they're anti-Israel.

Chomsky is also Jewish and he is a HUGE antisemite! Leftist Jew are usually coward, that believe if they give in to Islamofacist, then they will some how accept American, the West and Israel!

Some statements in this thread is beyond belief. No facts, just opinion. I usually put an IMO after my beliefs.

 

[American_Jihad]

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln…Again​

February 20, 2013
By Ben Shapiro

Reprising their anti-Israel screed in Munich (2005), Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner are at it again in their widely acclaimed new best picture nominee, Lincoln. The film itself is refreshingly free of wild leftist sucker punches, except for a bizarre rewriting of history that left two Connecticut Congressmen on the wrong side of the 13th Amendment banning slavery. But that doesn’t mean that its creators won’t spin the story of Barack Obama as a replay of Lincoln’s life.

The latest move in that direction came this week when Kushner, an Israel-hating radical leftist, told Charlie Rose that Barack Obama’s big win in 2012 signified the end of the “Reagan era ideology.” He stated:

...

Hollywood has done its part to interpret Barack Obama as a great president, the same way they rewrote FDR into a dynamo of economic genius. If George W. Bush were still president, Lincoln would never have been made; no one in Hollywood would have tolerated the comparison, even inadvertent, between Bush and Obama. But Obama’s record is substantially worse than Bush’s in virtually every area, and Bush was no great shakes. The difference? Obama’s a far-left radical. And the Lincoln project is designed to achieve the same goal Barack Obama tried to achieve with his second inaugural address: hijacking American history and rewriting it to fit leftist narratives.

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln?Again

How was Munich anti-Israel?

How was Munich anti-Israel? - Google Search

Munich anti israel - Google Search

 

[American_Jihad]

Hollywood’s Undying Love for Communist Angela Davis

April 15, 2013
By Arnold Ahlert

Recently, The Daily Beast disgraced itself by providing a platform for communist Bill Ayers to spread unchallenged lies about his background in the Weather Underground terrorist organization, which is presently the subject of an exonerating new film by leftist actor Robert Redford. The film, The Company You Keep, is not unlike the prior whitewash of communism Redford presented in the 1973 film The Way We Were, co-starring fellow left-winger Barbra Streisand. Following in Redford’s footsteps, some of the biggest names in Hollywood have just released an equally mendacious portrait of radical Angela Davis in the documentary Free Angela & All Political Prisoners, a work that further popularizes Davis’s fictional persona as a “social justice” advocate and racial equality icon of the Sixties. What audiences will be robbed of in this historical distortion, however, is a truthful look at Davis’s “political” career — filled as it is with violent militarism, racial hatred and complicity in murder. The documentary will also not reveal the destructive work Davis continues today by promoting the release of black criminals back into black communities to further terrorize their populations (90% of the victims of black criminals are black).

Thus, while Davis’s celebrity followers set out to whitewash a brutal totalitarian’s legacy, it would seem to be an appropriate occasion to take a look back at the true historical record of Angela Davis’s life.

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Hollywood?s Undying Love for Communist Angela Davis | FrontPage Magazine

 

[American_Jihad]

Robert Redford’s Terrorist Heroes​

April 16, 2013
By Bosch Fawstin

“ALL OF IT,” said Robert Redford, when asked if he supported the bombings by The Weather Underground.

Redford came out for terrorism on a mainstream morning television show in an interview with democrat-operative-leftist-hack George Stephanopoulos, who was slobbering over Redford’s pro-terrorist movie, The Company You Keep. I drew my illustration of Redford, below, days ago, and I wonder if he’s for the terrorist attack in Boston today. Or maybe he wants to wait and see if it’s leftist terrorists before he decides he’s all for it. Below is a list of what Robert Redford was for, via Sean Hannity on FOX News.

The Weather Underground’s history of terrorism consisted of:

1970: SFPD Bombing (1 Killed)

1970: NYPD Bombing (7 Hurt)

1970: NYC Explosion (3 Killed)

1971-72: Capital & Pentagon Attacked

1981: Armed Robbery (3 Killed)

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And instead of being shunned for his naked support of terrorism, Hollywood rewards Redford with a prominent part in the next Captain America film. Maybe he’ll play the anti-Captain America? No, because, as he’s done throughout his career, he needs to play some decent, semi-pro-American characters every once in a while in order to fund his Anti-American films.

Robert Redford?s Terrorist Heroes | FrontPage Magazine

 

[American_Jihad]

The President of Hollywood​

April 30, 2013 By Ben Shapiro

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Now, however, Barack Obama is president. And that means that no one will have the gall to either pan his performance at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner or make jokes about his performance as president. The left got Stephen Colbert during the Bush years. The right got Conan O’Brien planting a sloppy kiss on Obama’s posterior last weekend.

Never mind that Obama left himself wide open for some kill shots. The overweeningly arrogant president opened by hopping onstage to DJ Khaled’s “All I Do Is Win,” then celebrated himself from the first word: “How do you like my new entrance music? Rush Limbaugh warned you about this – second term, baby.” He added, “Actually, my advisors were a little worried about the new rap entrance music. They are a little more traditional. They suggested that I should start with some jokes at my own expense, just take myself down a peg. I was like, guys, after four and a half years, how many pegs are there left?” Then he attacked the media: “The fact is I really do respect the press. I recognize that the press and I have different jobs to do. My job is to be President; your job is to keep me humble. Frankly, I think I’m doing my job better.”

So naturally, when Conan got his shot, he promptly pulled his punches.

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After the Correspondents’ Dinner, O’Brien stopped by the White House to stand behind the press secretary’s podium. That prompted the Deadline Hollywood team to remark, “Conan O’Brien Pretends To Be Obama Press Secretary for the Day.” But he’d already done that. After all, most of Hollywood is an Obama press office at this point.

The President of Hollywood | FrontPage Magazine

 

[MeadHallPirate]

Hollywood has done its part to interpret Barack Obama as a great president, the same way they rewrote FDR into a dynamo of economic genius. If George W. Bush were still president, Lincoln would never have been made; no one in Hollywood would have tolerated the comparison, even inadvertent, between Bush and Obama. But Obama’s record is substantially worse than Bush’s in virtually every area, and Bush was no great shakes. The difference? Obama’s a far-left radical. And the Lincoln project is designed to achieve the same goal Barack Obama tried to achieve with his second inaugural address: hijacking American history and rewriting it to fit leftist narratives.

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln?Again

ahoy American_Jihad,

respectfully, matey, Mr. Obama's record looks sorta similar to Mr. Bush's, though its a bit more conservative.

1) under Mr. Obama's time as skipper, the growth in Government spendin' hath slowed significantly.

2) under Mr. Obama's tenure, gun rights hath also been modestly expanded.

3) under President "Pakistani-airspace-my-ass" Obama, we've also seen a robust foreign policy, which hath included a spirited use 'o Predator drones, the continued glorious suspension 'o habeas corpus, but sadly, no nation buildin'.

4) with Mr. Obama sittin' on the bridge, we've also witnessed incredible, fantastic, heroic support 'o the 1%, courtesy 'o dynamic policy from the Fed.

5) with the exception 'o the CAFE standards bein' slated to change, Mr. Obama hath been blessedly comatose on the environment. thats a good thing, aye?

6) the signature piece 'o legislation thats come outta the Obama administration hath been the Affordable Care Act, which has the Individual Mandate (a GOP creation) as its core tenet.

he's governed, more or less, as a moderate conservative. shiver me timbers, avast ye!!!!

in regards to yer other point...

...Hollywood wants to make movies, first and foremost, that folks wanna see, me hearty. its agnostic, politically. they're businessmen.

if folks yearned to see epic films 'o hedge fund owners strugglin' with which Monet to purchase fer thar mansion in the Hamptons, thats what Mr. Spielberg would be producin'. likewise, if test screenings fer Avatar indicated that the audience wished to see the US multinational crush the indigenous tribe that were the protagonists fer Mr. Cameron's 3D fantasy, thats probably what ye woulda seen.

the thing is, folks don't go to the movies fer a dose 'o conservative dogma. thats not what inspires folks, generally....at least not in the movie theatre.

*salutes*

- MeadHallPirate

 

[American_Jihad]

Harry Belafonte: Inside Every Hollywood Liberal Is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out​

June 4, 2013 By Ben Shapiro

Appearing on MSNBC, singer and former civil rights icon Harry Belafonte told President Barack Obama how he should take control of the political debate. His answer? Jail opponents. “That there should be this lingering infestation of really corrupt people who sit trying to dismantle the wishes of the people, the mandate that has been given to Barack Obama, and I don’t know what more they want,” Belafonte told race hustler Al Sharpton. “The only thing left for Barack Obama to do is to work like a third world dictator and just put all these guys in jail.”

Belafonte added that Republicans were “violating the American desire,” and described Republicans as an “infestation.”

This is the true language of the Hollywood left unmasked. The great lie of Hollywood is that leftists may not agree with you, but they’ll die for your right to say it. The truth is somewhat less glorious: they’ll fire you for your right to say it. The same sort of totalitarianism evidenced by Belafonte here runs rampant throughout Hollywood. It doesn’t matter what the issue is: if you take the wrong side, the Hollywood left wants you shut down completely and utterly. If they had the power of the prisons, they’d use it.

When Miss California, Carrie Prejean, told the Miss USA contest in 2009 that she was for traditional marriage, that prompted this little gem of liberal tyranny from rumormonger Perez Hilton, a judge in that contest: “She’s a dumb bitch! And a hypocrite too!” He later said he voted against her because “Miss USA should represent everyone. Her answer alienated millions of gay and lesbian Americans, their families and their supporters.” Forget the fact that there are far more millions of religious people who disapprove of homosexuality. Where Hilton comes from, those who disagree are shut down.

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Harry Belafonte: Inside Every Hollywood Liberal Is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out | FrontPage Magazine

Bung Hole Buddies​

 

[t_polkow]

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln…Again​

February 20, 2013
By Ben Shapiro

Reprising their anti-Israel screed in Munich (2005), Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner are at it again in their widely acclaimed new best picture nominee, Lincoln. The film itself is refreshingly free of wild leftist sucker punches, except for a bizarre rewriting of history that left two Connecticut Congressmen on the wrong side of the 13th Amendment banning slavery. But that doesn’t mean that its creators won’t spin the story of Barack Obama as a replay of Lincoln’s life.

The latest move in that direction came this week when Kushner, an Israel-hating radical leftist, told Charlie Rose that Barack Obama’s big win in 2012 signified the end of the “Reagan era ideology.” He stated:

...

Hollywood has done its part to interpret Barack Obama as a great president, the same way they rewrote FDR into a dynamo of economic genius. If George W. Bush were still president, Lincoln would never have been made; no one in Hollywood would have tolerated the comparison, even inadvertent, between Bush and Obama. But Obama’s record is substantially worse than Bush’s in virtually every area, and Bush was no great shakes. The difference? Obama’s a far-left radical. And the Lincoln project is designed to achieve the same goal Barack Obama tried to achieve with his second inaugural address: hijacking American history and rewriting it to fit leftist narratives.

The Hollywood Left Hijacks Lincoln?Again

Let's talk about code words for a while.
Hollywood Left?
Hollywood Liberal" and "New York Liberal" have long been code words for Jews.
From "pro-life" to talk about Dred Scott to "vouchers", to the Hollywood left modern American conservatism panders to bigotry without ever saying so openly.