The Hidden Threat of Communism in America

[Smokin' OP]

we are speaking of federal taxes,

roads bridges that is gas tax

Yes 18% for federal gas tax, the states are higher.

sidewalks schools libraries that is property tax

Still a tax, why aren't republicans whining about that?

seaports and airports, should be private or state tax

Buuut, most aren't.

So, like I said, you can not focus on one thing, we were speaking about a federal tax and now you make a statement like you believe that federal tax is suppose to pay for everything that other taxes are raised for.

WTF?
You're the one who's scatter brained.

 

[elektra]

No, it wasn't, any company paying above 21% got their rates lowered to 21%.

WTF?
Never stated that I stated many.


For services the government provides.
Why don't you ask corporations how come you have to pay for the services they provide?
Move to a country with no taxes, let me know how that works out.

Wow.

You have no facts to back up any of your claims or your political beliefs. You blame Trump for the crap our government has done for decades.

Taxes, Corporations pay taxes, many different taxes. On top of that the employees are paying taxes. How much Corporations right off, who knows, but either way Corporations pay tax

 

[elektra]

Yes 18% for federal gas tax, the states are higher.

Still a tax, why aren't republicans whining about that?

Buuut, most aren't.

WTF?
You're the one who's scatter brained.

Got to be to answer you

 

[Smokin' OP]

You have no facts to back up any of your claims or your political beliefs. You blame Trump for the crap our government has done for decades.

ALL republicans and NO president has lowered the corporate tax rate lower than Trump has since 1938.

Taxes, Corporations pay taxes, many different taxes.

I never claimed they didn't.

On top of that the employees are paying taxes.

I know, in many cases paying the taxes their employer didn't pay.

How much Corporations right off, who knows, but either way Corporations pay tax

Yes, but some are offset by the incentives they receive.

Economic incentive awards have grown in frequency and economic magnitude over time, with a New York Times article noting that for state governments, “incentives have become the cost of doing business with almost every business.”
The majority of state economic incentives relate to tax credits, abatements, and rebates spanning all types of business taxes (e.g., income, property, payroll, sales/use, etc.).
Other types of incentives include cost reimbursement programs, grants, and forgivable loans. Recipients of multi-million dollar state economic incentives beyond Amazon include other well-known companies such as Berkshire Hathaway, Boeing, Exxon Mobil, FoxConn, General Motors, Nike, Royal Dutch Shell, Sasol, Toyota, and Volkswagen.

Critics of corporate economic incentives view these awards as the product of “pay-to-play” policies that favor corporations with political connections, with some noting that corporate economic incentives are “antithetical to the idea of free markets” and the “result of insidious cronyism.”
For example, when a close friend of then-New Jersey governor Chris Christie oversaw the New Jersey Economic Development Authority, more than $1 billion in corporate economic incentives were awarded to 22 companies—21 of which had close ties to Governor Christie and the Republican Party.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Got to be to answer you

Sure.
You could not interact with any President the way you infer we are not able to interact with Trump.

Mar Lago, a private club, no different then the Democrat's private clubs.

Mar Lago is not even in the top ten as far as private clubs go.

My comment was illustrating the rich getting richer from Trump's tax cuts.


You did not deserve the 11% Trump tax cut

The soldiers who did not die in Afghanistan under Trump, they don't deserve to live.

We don't deserve the truth about the FBI? Or our politicians?

We don't deserve the truth from the news.

My comment was about the Trump "dynasty".

There's the proof.

 

[elektra]

I know, in many cases paying the taxes their employer didn't pay.

A person who employed them or the corporation itself. And which tax. Not the local "sign tax", or workman's compensation,

Sure.
You could not interact with any President the way you infer we are not able to interact with Trump.

Mar Lago, a private club, no different then the Democrat's private clubs.

Mar Lago is not even in the top ten as far as private clubs go.

My comment was illustrating the rich getting richer from Trump's tax cuts.


You did not deserve the 11% Trump tax cut

The soldiers who did not die in Afghanistan under Trump, they don't deserve to live.

We don't deserve the truth about the FBI? Or our politicians?

We don't deserve the truth from the news.

My comment was about the Trump "dynasty".

There's the proof.

Proof of what? Everyone got more money because of trumps tax cut

 

[elektra]

ALL republicans and NO president has lowered the corporate tax rate lower than Trump has since 1938.

I never claimed they didn't.

I know, in many cases paying the taxes their employer didn't pay.


Yes, but some are offset by the incentives they receive.

Economic incentive awards have grown in frequency and economic magnitude over time, with a New York Times article noting that for state governments, “incentives have become the cost of doing business with almost every business.”
The majority of state economic incentives relate to tax credits, abatements, and rebates spanning all types of business taxes (e.g., income, property, payroll, sales/use, etc.).
Other types of incentives include cost reimbursement programs, grants, and forgivable loans. Recipients of multi-million dollar state economic incentives beyond Amazon include other well-known companies such as Berkshire Hathaway, Boeing, Exxon Mobil, FoxConn, General Motors, Nike, Royal Dutch Shell, Sasol, Toyota, and Volkswagen.

Critics of corporate economic incentives view these awards as the product of “pay-to-play” policies that favor corporations with political connections, with some noting that corporate economic incentives are “antithetical to the idea of free markets” and the “result of insidious cronyism.”
For example, when a close friend of then-New Jersey governor Chris Christie oversaw the New Jersey Economic Development Authority, more than $1 billion in corporate economic incentives were awarded to 22 companies—21 of which had close ties to Governor Christie and the Republican Party.

A big so what, you forgot to include football stadiums

 

[Smokin' OP]

A person who employed them or the corporation itself.

The corporation.

And which tax.

Property taxes and sales taxes.

Not the local "sign tax", or workman's compensation,

Proof of what?

You're scatter brained and deflective.

Everyone got more money because of trumps tax cut

Yeah, some A LOT more than others.

 

[Smokin' OP]

A big so what,

So what?
You like giving others a free ride?
Except, poor people.

Sen. Rick Scott, R-(Fla.), the head of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, released an “11-point plan to rescue America” that included a proposal for all Americans to pay some form of income tax, even if it was a nominal amount.

“All Americans should pay some income tax to have skin in the game, even if a small amount,” Scott’s proposal says. “Currently over half of Americans pay no income tax.”

But provided tax incentives for companies to move to Florida.

May 15 2013
If you’re a large business and you want to relocate near the beach, then boy does Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) have a deal for you.

Hertz Corp., best known as a rental car company, announced in late May it’s packing up its corporate bags and moving its headquarters from New Jersey to the tiny Florida town of Estero.

Florida’s “jobs” governor and the Lee County Economic Development Office are celebrating the Fortune 300 company’s decision to move south from New Jersey and touting the potential economic gains.

Besides being a state with no personal income tax, one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the country, and a huge tourism and car rental market, Scott and Lee County officials greased the slide with about $85 million in taxpayer incentives. At face value that exceeds the company’s own investment in the move, leaving questions about whether the amount was necessary.

you forgot to include football stadiums

That's true, including all sports stadiums.

 

[scruffy]

It’s so well hidden that it’s nonexistent.

You are in denial.

The Democratic party, right now today this very instant, is supporting AND FUNDING communists.

100% of Critical Race Theory is Marxist communist, and the Democrats are pushing it on little kids in schools AND on corporate America.

The DEMOCRATIC PARTY is doing this. The official organ. The DNC. And the DNCC.

All your favorite Democratic party officials including your beloved Vice President just got done bailing a bunch of communist agitators out of jail.

You thought BLM was about black people? It isn't, and it never was.

But now all this crap is on the table, it's out in the open where everyone can see it, and believe me, it WILL be talked about. In spite of the DNC-controlled media's efforts to suppress it

 

[scruffy]

Not hidden. They are up front about it. The question is, other than waving flags, praying and listening to country songs while holding hands, what are we gonna do about other than very little?

No, the little weasels are still trying to hide it.

But we've got their number. We have a parents' organization that's almost a thousand strong and growing by the day, and we are NOT going to allow any of the DNC's racist communist bullshit in our childrens' schools.

We're going to expose these idiots, and we:re going to make them leave our children alone.

And next time they try burning our cities, maybe we try cracking a few heads. If these fuckers want to play hardball, I'm more than happy to engage. Bring it.

There are definitely rats in our nest. And it's high time we called the exterminator. Rodents tend to hide in warm dark places, they're not hard to find.

They even nest in DC. Nancy Pelosi is running her own little personal gulag, complete with political prisoners. That's a very communist thing to do, ordinary liberals don't do such things.

 

[elektra]

So what?
You like giving others a free ride?
Except, poor people.

Sen. Rick Scott, R-(Fla.), the head of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, released an “11-point plan to rescue America” that included a proposal for all Americans to pay some form of income tax, even if it was a nominal amount.

“All Americans should pay some income tax to have skin in the game, even if a small amount,” Scott’s proposal says. “Currently over half of Americans pay no income tax.”

But provided tax incentives for companies to move to Florida.

May 15 2013
If you’re a large business and you want to relocate near the beach, then boy does Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) have a deal for you.

Hertz Corp., best known as a rental car company, announced in late May it’s packing up its corporate bags and moving its headquarters from New Jersey to the tiny Florida town of Estero.

Florida’s “jobs” governor and the Lee County Economic Development Office are celebrating the Fortune 300 company’s decision to move south from New Jersey and touting the potential economic gains.

Besides being a state with no personal income tax, one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the country, and a huge tourism and car rental market, Scott and Lee County officials greased the slide with about $85 million in taxpayer incentives. At face value that exceeds the company’s own investment in the move, leaving questions about whether the amount was necessary.



That's true, including all sports stadiums.

Nobody is getting a free ride. You speculate at most. You make a claim about corporations as if that is the same as a person.

The CEO of a corporations pays tax.
All employees pay tax.
The stockholders pay tax

So who is not paying their fair share?

And remember, your argument was Trump.
None of what you stated was something Trump did.

Incentives, tax loopholes or breaks,
Nothing Trump did.

A companies employees all pay tax, that should be enough.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Nobody is getting a free ride. You speculate at most. You make a claim about corporations as if that is the same as a person.

The CEO of a corporations pays tax.
All employees pay tax.
The stockholders pay tax

So who is not paying their fair share?

And remember, your argument was Trump.
None of what you stated was something Trump did.

Incentives, tax loopholes or breaks,
Nothing Trump did.

A companies employees all pay tax, that should be enough.

It's the amount, you moron.
Bub-by troll.

 

[elektra]

It's the amount, you moron.
Bub-by troll.

Just trying to understand your thoughts. You think somebody out there is not paying enough. Hell, let's end that argument and give all our money to the government. They can give us credits for food and housing or whatever the government thinks we deserve.

 

[WEATHER53]

Don’t help the commie lockdown loons.
Just try, just try, to be a thinking American and take that mask off. Being government directed sheep children merely shows then you think masks are a good idea.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Just trying to understand your thoughts. You think somebody out there is not paying enough.

True.

July 30 2021
Elon Musk. In 2019, he took out $61 million in mortgages on five properties he owned in California. About that time he also had some 40 percent of his personal shares in Tesla pledged as collateral for still other loans. Musk's millions in borrowed cash have been bankrolling his lavish lifestyle and new investments. These millions have also been providing a sweet end-run around Uncle Sam at tax time.

If Musk had sold some of his Tesla shares or surplus California properties to raise fresh cash, he would have owed capital gains tax on his sale earnings. But by borrowing for the cash, he let his Tesla and California property assets continue to increase in value and, at the same time, sidesteps any taxes.


March 28 2022
Many billionaires can pay far lower tax rates than average Americans because the federal government does not tax the increase in the value of their stock holdings until those assets are sold. Billionaires are able to borrow against their accumulated gains without triggering taxes on capital gains, enabling huge accumulations of wealth to go virtually untaxed by the federal government.

The White House Office of Management and Budget and Council of Economic Advisers estimated this fall that 400 billionaire families paid an average federal tax rate of just over 8 percent of their income between 2010 and 2018. That rate is lower than the rate paid by millions of Americans.

Hell, let's end that argument and give all our money to the government. They can give us credits for food and housing or whatever the government thinks we deserve.

You must think giving all your $$$ to corporations and billionaires helps you.
I can already read your response.

"If the governments raises taxes on corporations and billionaires, they'll pass that onto consumers".
So.
The consumer has a choice to buy their product, if it's too expensive, someone will lower their price to get the business.

Meanwhile the consumer is already paying 100% of the taxes, they DIDN'T pay.

Do they lower prices when republicans give them tax breaks?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You are in denial.

The Democratic party, right now today this very instant, is supporting AND FUNDING communists.

100% of Critical Race Theory is Marxist communist, and the Democrats are pushing it on little kids in schools AND on corporate America.

The DEMOCRATIC PARTY is doing this. The official organ. The DNC. And the DNCC.

All your favorite Democratic party officials including your beloved Vice President just got done bailing a bunch of communist agitators out of jail.

You thought BLM was about black people? It isn't, and it never was.

But now all this crap is on the table, it's out in the open where everyone can see it, and believe me, it WILL be talked about. In spite of the DNC-controlled media's efforts to suppress it

Name one self avowed communist or Marxist.

 

[surada]

You are labeling people you know nothing about. Giving us derogatory names, just like when democrats called African Americans the "N" word.

You are a bigot.

Yes, I am having a real hard time getting you to address one topic without running off like a lunatic ranting about 10 or more Democrat talking points you got stuck in your thick skull.

Corporations are suppose to bargain with the government to keep the money they make? Corporations are not just an entity that happens to exist. People are Corporations, taxes can only be paid by people working, my labor.

Good to know you think, you and the government get to dictate that I work to pay tax.

You must run with some real low rents. I have never known anyone, liberal or conservative who uses the N word.

 

[surada]

Name one self avowed communist or Marxist.

Scruffy has issues. Maybe he came up hard.

 

[dblack]

You must think giving all your $$$ to corporations and billionaires helps you.

You must not think at all, if you've come to the conclusion that it's a choice between subjugating yourself to government or to a corporation. Don't you have any balls of your own?