The Height Of Irresponsibility

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disgusting.

they cut the 50 million last month. we're giving billions to israel, egypt, south korea (yea a great ally there), we waste billions every year, we give billions in corporate welfare, we give billions to lazy americans cheating the system, billions to big pharma, to old people to save a dollar or five on their drugs.....

but we can't spare 50 million dollars to pay for some under equipped, under manned, under supported africans to try to save a bunch of starving orphans, gang raped women and girls and broken, beaten elderly people from some jihadist militiamen.

yay for leadership in washington.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/africa/articles/2005/12/17/no_plan_seen_for_more_darfur_funds/

No plan seen for more Darfur funds
Rice lobbies, but Congress aides say budget stretched
By Farah Stockman, Globe Staff | December 17, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice launched a behind-the-scenes lobbying effort this week to persuade Congress to appropriate $50 million in funding for an African Union effort to halt genocidal killings in Sudan's Darfur region.

But congressional aides said yesterday that Rice's attempt may have been a case of too little, too late. They said lawmakers have no plan to add extra funding for Darfur to a federal budget that is stretched thin by Hurricane Katrina reconstruction, the Iraq war, and planning for avian flu.

''It is at the eleventh hour," said John Scofield, spokesman for the House Appropriations Committee. ''At this point, we're about ready to turn out the lights" on budget commitments this year.

The apparent decision not to add new funds for helicopters and other support comes more than a year after the House of Representatives voted unanimously for a resolution that called the killings in Darfur ''genocide" and urged the Bush administration to consider intervening in the conflict. An estimated 2 million people have been displaced and hundreds of thousands have died from malnutrition, disease, and violent attacks in Darfur since 2003, when Sudan's government brutally suppressed a revolt and allegedly worked with local militias to wipe out the villages of tribes associated with the rebels.

The 7,000-strong African Union force is the only protection for survivors in Darfur, but the force lacks basic equipment and has found itself increasingly under attack.

Yesterday, Scofield and two other congressional aides said the major obstacle to securing funding for the African Union troops was that Rice failed to make a formal request for the money through the Office of Management and Budget, as is custom.

''A letter from the secretary is nice, but in the budget world, it's not a formal request," Scofield said, adding that money for Darfur could be taken out of the $179 million that the administration had set aside for other peacekeeping missions in 2006.

A State Department official said that additional funding is needed badly, and that two letters that Rice sent Thursday to the chairmen of the House and Senate Appropriations Committees should have been sufficient. He said lawmakers are looking for an excuse not to fund the mission.

''Congress can do this if it wants," said one State Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. ''Time is running out. Congress needs to act quickly."

In her letters, Rice asked lawmakers to set aside ''at least $50 million" for Darfur in a bill they are attempting to hammer out this weekend.

''I have discussed this matter with others in the administration and can assure you that taking immediate action to meet this unanticipated expense is of the highest priority," Rice wrote in a letter to Senator Thad Cochran, the Mississippi Republican who chairs the Senate Appropriations Committee, according to a copy obtained by the Globe.

Rice's $50 million request represents roughly a third of what the force will need to continue operating for the next five months; the European Union is responsible for most of the rest.

Said Djinnit, the head of peacekeeping for the 53-nation African bloc, told reporters in Ethiopia yesterday that the force could run out of funds by April if donors do not respond.

The African force, made up of soldiers from Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal, South Africa, Ghana, and other nations, has about 5,600 military observers in Sudan and 1,300 civilian police. The Bush administration, backed by a bipartisan movement of Christian groups and African-American lawmakers, has repeatedly highlighted the need to help Darfur by enabling the African Union troops to protect survivors in the refugee camps.

Some of its soldiers have been killed or kidnapped by better-armed militiamen and rebel fighters. Recent months have seen a surge in violence against civilians, aid groups, and the African Union soldiers.

Yesterday, a bipartisan group of senators urged their House counterparts to provide the funding, which had been quietly dropped from an earlier appropriations bill.

''The AU troops, which have succeeded at deterring violence where they have been deployed, are stretched thin and have recently come under attack," said the letter, signed by Sam Brownback, a Kansas Republican, Mike DeWine, an Ohio Republican, Jon S. Corzine, Democrat of New Jersey, and Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois.

Some supporters of greater Western involvement in Darfur urged lawmakers to step up on the issue.

''The president has said we're in a situation of genocide" in Darfur, said Mark L. Schneider, senior vice president of the International Crisis Group. ''They should recognize the importance to the US national security interests and provide the funding."

© Copyright 2005 Globe Newspaper Company.
 
There should be no politician, here nor anywhere else in the world that can look another person in the eye when this topic comes up. They should collectively and individually be about as ashamed of their willful ignorance to the situation as they are of anything.

This is EXACTLY what our nickels and dimes go to the UN to prevent. THAT is where the funding should be cut off, IMO.
 
GunnyL said:
There should be no politician, here nor anywhere else in the world that can look another person in the eye when this topic comes up. They should collectively and individually be about as ashamed of their willful ignorance to the situation as they are of anything.

This is EXACTLY what our nickels and dimes go to the UN to prevent. THAT is where the funding should be cut off, IMO.

It actually makes me feel good IF I get to cheat on my taxes and give the money to Christian charities instead.

Unfortunately, this is a situation that requires military assistence for charities to work, and YES, its the UN that is responsable for this. I mean, if they arent involved in this, WHAT THE HELL DO THEY EXIST FOR???
Well, some of us already know the answer to that.
 
GunnyL said:
There should be no politician, here nor anywhere else in the world that can look another person in the eye when this topic comes up. They should collectively and individually be about as ashamed of their willful ignorance to the situation as they are of anything.

This is EXACTLY what our nickels and dimes go to the UN to prevent. THAT is where the funding should be cut off, IMO.

I agree. The UN is the problem with Darfur. NATO and I have had a bit of a disagreement, not in the sense of I'm against helping, I'm not. Rather it's that the US cannot go it alone in this area, which is NOT vital to our national interests, but IS part of the family of man. The UN should be doing the right thing.
 
Kathianne said:
I agree. The UN is the problem with Darfur. NATO and I have had a bit of a disagreement, not in the sense of I'm against helping, I'm not. Rather it's that the US cannot go it alone in this area, which is NOT vital to our national interests, but IS part of the family of man. The UN should be doing the right thing.

Well of course, we're not intervening, so we're not going it alone.

We pay a third of the AU's peacekeeping budget for Darfur, the EU and Japan pay the other two thirds. "Multilateral' indeed.

The UN cannot accomplish anything even if it wanted, because China, Russia and France sit on the Security Council and will veto anything resembling an intervention in the situation.

So the best America can do is help fund the small peacekeeping operation, and with the security it provides to relief efforts, then we help fund the relief operations themselves.

So this shows you the shortsightedness, the ignorance, the arrogance of these politicians. They just cut the 50 million dollars that went to "security" which wastes the 300 million dollars we give to "relief".

Its quite simple.... no security, no relief. The relief organizations cannot do their job without protection against jihadist militias.

So courtesy of our wonderful Congress, we've just wasted 300 million dollars to save 50 million.
 
GunnyL said:
There should be no politician, here nor anywhere else in the world that can look another person in the eye when this topic comes up. They should collectively and individually be about as ashamed of their willful ignorance to the situation as they are of anything.

This is EXACTLY what our nickels and dimes go to the UN to prevent. THAT is where the funding should be cut off, IMO.

And that's why I like Texans... blunt and to the point, that is exactly how I feel as well about this.

The next time I hear a speech about values or morals or leadership from a House Congressman, democrat or republican, pardon me while I vomit.

Not one of them could muster the will to speak out on this, to urge their comrades in cowardice to do the right thing.

And with the exception of a rare few, they're all sucking up to the UN crowd.
 
NATO AIR said:
And that's why I like Texans... blunt and to the point, that is exactly how I feel as well about this.

The next time I hear a speech about values or morals or leadership from a House Congressman, democrat or republican, pardon me while I vomit.

Not one of them could muster the will to speak out on this, to urge their comrades in cowardice to do the right thing.

And with the exception of a rare few, they're all sucking up to the UN crowd.

That's a really cool way of saying I have no tact. ;)
 

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