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STOP. You are taking shots at me just because I did not agree with your position? What kind of POSTER are you? You are the one who should be ashamed. I could counter each of your points with something other than a 12 year old argument, but you don't deserve that-Apologize and I'll reconsider.Two problems-10 million people work with fossil fuels-not enough"clean" jobs for them. We don't know for sure carbon is creating climate change, and other countries produce way more carbon than we do.That is kind of harsh on family budgets.Slowly tax gas so a new electric car is cheaper than driving your 4 year old car. My issue is water pollution-far worse than carbon and already a major shortage around the world.
If we improved the electric grid, modernizing it, and put TMSR to supply all the energy we need, it wouldnt really require any manipulation of gas prices.
You're right.
My state started building one of the largest wind farms in our nation in the 1990s. Now it's huge.
When the electricity first came on line, it produced way too much electricity for the existing grid to handle.
So we voted to raise our taxes on electricity, not gas, to build a new grid.
We also started shutting down our coal fire plants. We have one left and it's being shutdown now.
We have more electricity than we use and sell our excess to other states for a profit. We also have the second lowest electric rates in the nation.
Most of our electricity comes from water, a little over 60%. The rest comes from wind, sun, natural gas with a very little from that coal fire plant that is used by farmers out in the middle of nowhere. Soon they too will be off coal.
I have not read the green new deal but I support something that does seriously address this problem.
I've been watching the causes of climate change since the 80s. I've been watching the damage from climate change since the early 2000s.
Rivers that once were huge raging rivers that supplied water to farmers and both commercial and sport fishermen. That supplied water to people all over the state for a variety of uses. Including to drink. Everything alive on this planet needs water to survive. Now those rivers are small trickles that I can literally step over.
Mountains that had ice caves that existed for millions of years. Those ice caves started melting in the 80s and some are totally gone forever.
The tallest free standing mountain in the lower 48 states used to be covered with snow on it all year round. We used to call it our giant ice cream cone. We can't do that anymore. Now that mountain doesn't have snow on all of it all year around. Now the bottom up to half way up the mountain is most without snow. I saw it this past weekend and just cried. In my 59 years of living here I have never seen that mountain without snow like that before. I've been seeing the black spots that are spots without snow but I've never seen it like it is now. There's waterfalls where there used to be snow and ice. Our ice cream cone is melting and I wish something could be done about it.
My state is more environmentally friendly than most states but no matter what we do, the rest of the nation and world isn't doing it so our efforts won't make much difference. We need everyone in all nations to be changing and working on this very critical problem.
I have photos of it all but I'm not going to go through my photos and post them. It's too big of a job. But here's the photos I took this weekend. Clouds were covering half the mountain so the top can't be seen. All of what's in these photos except the trees, is supposed to be under many feet of snow and ice. The first shot is the bottom of the whole mountain taken with a wide angle lens. The rest of the shots are parts of the mountain taken with a zoom lens.
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Have you ever heard of being retrained in a different career?
Many people have done it throughout history.
Should we not have changed to floppy disks because keypunch operators wouldn't have a job? Should we have not changed to fossil fuels because whale hunters would be out of a job?
Should we have not changed to cars because blacksmiths and buggy manufacturers would be out of a job?
What you're saying is ridiculous. What makes fossil fuel jobs more important than any other job that has become obsolete?
Yes we do know that carbon is causing climate change or is one of the causes. You just don't want to accept it.
If you don't believe that carbon is one of the things causing it why say that other countries produce more than we do in a pathetic attempt to justify not doing what's right? And why should we not change just because other countries put out more carbon than we do?
All of your post is written like it's coming from a 12 year old child. You're using the same rational that a child uses when they're caught doing something they know they shouldn't be doing. Make lame excuses and point fingers.
Shame on you.