The Greatest President in My (Your) lifetime, Poll

[Missourian]

You dont know what you are talking about. It took legislation to free corpirations to ship our technology to china.

DobI but american? How can I when the product I want is not made in america

Your contradictions failed.
Your opinion of what I want is a lie you tell to attempt to win an argument you lost.

Yes, you can disagree with facts, that is your right.

You only speak for yourself, nobody else,

You are wrong, all you can do is contradict, stammering nonsense

The government didn't move a single factory (manufacturing) to China.

American businessmen made that decision every single time it happened.

Americans chose to buy Chinese goods because they were cheaper.

Short term gains compared to long term losses.

If you can refute that, I'm listening.

 

[Unkotare]

I am curious. I will list all presidents in my considerable lifetime and let the chips fall where they may.

What a stupid question. Reagan!

 

[elektra]

Americans chose to buy Chinese goods because they were cheaper

i can prove you 100% wrong on everything you state. I can start with this.

You could be wrong cause you really do not know
You could be wrong because you are a partisan hack for the democrats
You could be wrong because you are of low intelligence.

Proof. That is simple

You buy Chinese goods because you have no choice, period! Prove otherwise.

 

[initforme]

Trying to justify a great potus is like justifying 2 plus 2 is equal to 9.

 

[Missourian]

You could be wrong cause you really do not know
You could be wrong because you are a partisan hack for the democrats
You could be wrong because you are of low intelligence

This is your best argument.

You're as bad as they are.

No content, no facts, no based agruments...just feelings.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

OHMYGOSH 3 people said Biden was the best prez ever, LOL!

 

[elektra]

This is your best argument.
You're as bad as they are.
No content, no facts, no based agruments...just feelings.

You make this to easy. Way to easy
I did not offer an argument. I asked a simple question. There is a huge difference between arguments and questions.

Your reply is a bunch of nonsense. That prove you have no idea what you are talking about.

What do you buy that you have a choice of American or Chinese?

Miseryian has no answer becsuse miseryian has no choice.

Americans never decided we want chinese products

 

[elektra]

You're as bad as they are.
No content, no facts, no based agruments...just feelings.

Where is your content
Where is your facts

Hmmmm, just feelings coming from you and now you ask me to do what you have not. Of course, I did offer facts, you just wish to contradict, nothing more

 

[Independent thinker]

I am curious. I will list all presidents in my considerable lifetime and let the chips fall where they may.

Out of that list, Reagan wins hands down. Glad to see it also show up in this poll. No one else really gets close.

 

[Foxfyre]

They all got something.

When you weigh the good against the bad...Bill way a pretty good president.

Did he make mistakes?

They all do.

Clinton pretty much had a failed presidency until Newt Gingrich and his reformer Tea Party and a substantial Republican Party and took control of Congress in 1995. They were aided and abetted by Tim Penny and 30+ conservative Democrats who voted like Democrats used to vote, i.e. for the good of the people. Between these two groups they pushed through great legislation that reformed welfare and other entitlements and came the closest to a balanced budget any of us had ever seen.

The only credit Clinton can take for any of that is that he realized it was politically expedient to sign the legislation--sometimes after one or two or more vetoes--and that saved his presidency. His own initiatives were nowhere near so successful.

 

[Missourian]

Clinton pretty much had a failed presidency until Newt Gingrich and his reformer Tea Party and a substantial Republican Party and took control of Congress in 1995. They were aided and abetted by Tim Penny and 30+ conservative Democrats who voted like Democrats used to vote, i.e. for the good of the people. Between these two groups they pushed through great legislation that reformed welfare and other entitlements and came the closest to a balanced budget any of us had ever seen.

The only credit Clinton can take for any of that is that he realized it was politically expedient to sign the legislation--sometimes after one or two or more vetoes--and that saved his presidency. His own initiatives were nowhere near so successful.

I'd say that was a good assessment.

Bill Clinton was a political pragmatist. A "triangulator".

That made him a good president.

 

[Kitty Cat]

What I’d like to know, who voted for Carter.

 

[Foxfyre]

I'd say that was a good assessment.

Bill Clinton was a political pragmatist. A "triangulator".

That made him a good president.

I can't quite get to that conclusion. It just made him a president who would have if politically expedient but who could be persuaded not to sidetrack what turned out to be very good legislation. Like Trump Clinton wasn't much of an ideologue, but unlike Trump he was not and still isn't a leader. But he was less destructive than Carter or Obama/Biden because he did do what was politically expedient. Because of who controlled Congress, that was a good thing. He also didn't care enough to order unconstitutional or unproductive or counter productive executive orders as Obama occasionally did and Biden often did.

Of course there are always the rumors that the Clintons didn't weaponize the government against their political problems but just had them sort of removed. But those are just that, rumors.

So was the Clinton presidency a success? I would have to say yes. Was that because Clinton was calling the shots? Nope.

I have always wondered how much Trump could have accomplished if he had the media, the Senate and the House that Clinton did.

 

[elektra]

.Of course there are always the rumors that the Clintons did weaponize the government against their political problems but just had them sort of removed. But those are just that, rumors..

Rumors? Tell that to Billy Dale

 

[Foxfyre]

Rumors? Tell that to Billy Dale

That sordid affair did no doubt cost some good people their jobs. Billy Dale was accused of embezzlement in the White House Travel Office but was exonerated by Ken Starr's investigation even as he identified felony offenses committed by Bill Clinton. Hillary was also investigated for her pivotal role in ordering the firings but, just as Comey said (by implication) that she was too stupid to know she was committing felonies in her email scandal, the special prosecutor investigating her re the travel office concluded that she lied through her teeth but couldn't say for sure she knew they were lies so no consequences resulted.

Politics were pretty sick back then and have gotten progressively worse.

And so far as I know, no travel office employees wound up mysteriously dead so that was a different thing.

 

[Missourian]

I can't quite get to that conclusion. It just made him a president who would have if politically expedient but who could be persuaded not to sidetrack what turned out to be very good legislation. Like Trump Clinton wasn't much of an ideologue, but unlike Trump he was not and still isn't a leader. But he was less destructive than Carter or Obama/Biden because he did do what was politically expedient. Because of who controlled Congress, that was a good thing. He also didn't care enough to order unconstitutional or unproductive or counter productive executive orders as Obama occasionally did and Biden often did.

Of course there are always the rumors that the Clintons didn't weaponize the government against their political problems but just had them sort of removed. But those are just that, rumors.

So was the Clinton presidency a success? I would have to say yes. W toas that because Clinton was calling the shots? Nope.

I have always wondered how much Trump could have accomplished if he had the media, the Senate and the House that Clinton did.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree here on Clinton. The Buck Stops with the President. There are other positive factors that helped President Clinton achieve a successful presidency...but getting the **** outta the way is also a leadership skill...perhaps one of the hardest to learn, given the excesses of ego that propel a person to high office...reinforced by attaining said office (or rank, or business position).

I agree with you that President Trump could have achieved much more with his first term had he also received that kind of support...but Trump accomplished something perhaps more important to the survival of the country...destroying the credibility of the corporate and legacy media.

 

[elektra]

Politics were pretty sick back then and have gotten progressively worse.

And so far as I know, no travel office employees wound up mysteriously dead so that was a different thing.

Vince Foster who was deeply involved was found dead.

 

[Frankenstein]

They all got something.

When you weigh the good against the bad...Bill way a pretty good president.

Did he make mistakes?

They all do.

He wasn't the worst that is all I can say

 

[elektra]

He has been instrumental in fomenting distrust of our foundations:

• Elections (our democratic system)

Distrust of our elections go back to B-1 Bob as well as Democrats refusing to support proving you are citizen before voting.

Trump did not start any of that.

Democrats kicked the republican poll watchers out and when Trump points that fact out, you claim Trump caused this problem.

 

[elektra]

Departments of
Education

You blame Trump when Democrats push gender changing therapy on children without parents knowing?

You are delusional