The Free World Should Do More For Ukraine To Fight The Russian's Enormous Bombings!

JimofPennsylvan

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Countries that significantly economically benefit from the world's free trade policies, countries that have a big export market that brings a lot of money into their economies have a large and pronounced obligation to help Ukraine by providing them with heavy weapons and ammunition so they can win this war of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Especially Europe but also the balance of the world needs to be done with the 20th Century and before practice of authoritarian government's re-drawing countries boundaries by the use of strong armies and military power. The truth of this war is that it is all about Vladimir Putin trying to reconstitute the old Soviet Union about Vladimir Putin from his perspective taking back land that Russia rightly deserves to control, Mr. Putin's own words make his reasoning here crystal clear. The Russian President's justification for this war has no, that is zero, moral and legal legitimacy; the Ukrainian people have fundamental and natural rights and one of the most basic is the right to not have one's sovereignty violated, peoples have a birthright of a country and it cannot be taken away from they by a foreign entity or a group of individuals forcibly taking it away from them! Russia needs to lose this war so the message can be sent to the Kremlin and authoritarian regimes existing now and in the future that the international community will not allow you to take another country's sovereign territory by force, the international community stands up strongly here for human rights and international order. These prosperous export countries can't just offer token support to Ukraine at this time where there well-being as a country is on the line; you cannot just take from the world-wide economy, you have obligations to give back and support it or good people throughout the world will take steps to curtail your benefiting form the world wide economy!

The need for Ukraine is firepower, many knowledgeable people say that Russia dwarfs Ukraine firepower by like fifteen to one. I recently saw a media piece where an Ukrainian officer was being interviewed by a journalist and the Ukrainian commander said that if the Russian forces begin shelling or attack his position he only has enough artillery shells to last less than one hour in providing a defense for his position. The Free World needs to find a way to provide much much more artillery shells to Ukraine. I believe that the common size artillery shell today is the 155 mm shell, the M777 artillery gun which the Ukraine army has some of from the West use this size shell. This is the key point here although there is very complicated versions of this shell a version with guided missile technology etc., it is not necessary to provide such high quality shells to Ukraine, Ukraine can suffice with the simple basic version of this shell that has been around for fifty plus years. Powerful Governments that manufacture and use this shell should see to it that the design, blueprints, the manufacturing know how and the like to make the basic version of this shell be provided to Ukraine's allied countries especially their western and southern neighbors that would manufacture for Ukraine this shell and deliver it to Ukraine!

The West needs to think outside the box to help Ukraine get the firepower it needs to compete against the Russian army. Do things like in December of last year a Canadian company from Vegreville, Alberta got a contract to refurbish fifty Leopard One tanks so the Canadian government could use them as targets on their firing range to train their armed forces. If the Canadian government has any of those Leopard 1 tanks left give them to Ukraine the Leopard 1 is a good tank it will help Ukraine in its fight against the Russian Army. Other countries especially the United States needs to scour its bases and storage facilities to see if there is old, taken out of service, heavy weapon systems that could either directly or indirectly, go through some refurbishment, be given to the Ukraine military to help them defend their country! Media reports regularly describe the Ukrainian front lines in the eastern part of Ukraine as "meat grinders" for the way Ukrainian soldiers are being killed and torn up from the relentless and ferocious bombardment from the Russian army, this reality and much of the Free World's abysmal efforts to come to the Ukrainian people's aid here should cause great guilty amongst the peoples of the Free World and especially their leaders!
 
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Countries that significantly economically benefit from the world's free trade policies, countries that have a big export market that brings a lot of money into their economies have a large and pronounced obligation to help Ukraine by providing them with heavy weapons and ammunition so they can win this war of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Especially Europe but also the balance of the world needs to be done with the 20th Century and before practice of authoritarian government's re-drawing countries boundaries by the use of strong armies and military power. The truth of this war is that it is all about Vladimir Putin trying to reconstitute the old Soviet Union about Vladimir Putin from his perspective taking back land that Russia rightly deserves to control, Mr. Putin's own words make his reasoning here crystal clear. The Russian President's justification for this war has no, that is zero, moral and legal legitimacy; the Ukrainian people have fundamental and natural rights and one of the most basic is the right to not have one's sovereignty violated, peoples have a birthright of a country and it cannot be taken away from they by a foreign entity or a group of individuals forcibly taking it away from them! Russia needs to lose this war so the message can be sent to the Kremlin and authoritarian regimes existing now and in the future that the international community will not allow you to take another country's sovereign territory by force, the international community stands up strongly here for human rights and international order. These prosperous export countries can't just offer token support to Ukraine at this time where there well-being as a country is on the line; you cannot just take from the world-wide economy, you have obligations to give back and support it or good people throughout the world will take steps to curtail your benefiting form the world wide economy!

The need for Ukraine is firepower, many knowledgeable people say that Russia dwarfs Ukraine firepower by like fifteen to one. I recently saw a media piece where an Ukrainian officer was being interviewed by a journalist and the Ukrainian commander said that if the Russian forces begin shelling or attack his position he only has enough artillery shells to last less than one hour in providing a defense for his position. The Free World needs to find a way to provide much much more artillery shells to Ukraine. I believe that the common size artillery shell today is the 155 mm shell, the M777 artillery gun which the Ukraine army has some of from the West use this size shell. This is the key point here although there is very complicated versions of this shell a version with guided missile technology etc., it is not necessary to provide such high quality shells to Ukraine, Ukraine can suffice with the simple basic version of this shell that has been around for fifty plus years. Powerful Governments that manufacture and use this shell should see to it that the design, blueprints, the manufacturing know how and the like to make the basic version of this shell be provided to Ukraine's allied countries especially their western and southern neighbors that would manufacture for Ukraine this shell and deliver it to Ukraine!

The West needs to think outside the box to help Ukraine get the firepower it needs to compete against the Russian army. Do things like in December of last year a Canadian company from Vegreville, Alberta got a contract to refurbish fifty Leopard One tanks so the Canadian government could use them as targets on their firing range to train their armed forces. If the Canadian government has any of those Leopard 1 tanks left give them to Ukraine the Leopard 1 is a good tank it will help Ukraine in its fight against the Russian Army. Other countries especially the United States needs to scour its bases and storage facilities to see if there is old, taken out of service, heavy weapon systems that could either directly or indirectly, go through some refurbishment, be given to the Ukraine military to help them defend their country! Media reports regularly describe the Ukrainian front lines in the eastern part of Ukraine as "meat grinders" for the way Ukrainian soldiers are being killed and torn up from the relentless and ferocious bombardment from the Russian army, this reality and much of the Free World's abysmal efforts to come to the Ukrainian people's aid here should cause great guilty amongst the peoples of the Free World and especially their leaders!

Are you keeping us for fools?
Where do you see so-called 'Free World' now?
It's gone for ever.
After SCAMdemic CONvid 1984 and open dictatorship of satanists there isn't any free worlds anymore
 
"British PM Johnson said he would resign if rising energy prices for the British force his government to stop financing Ukraine"

Well, O.K., Boris, no one forced you to talk...
 
There neds to be more coordination. I see reports of various countries doing this and that and it all seems a bit random.
Maybe a conference to sort things out and a big push is the wy forward.
Short term it would be better to bomb the fuck out of these people than have it drag on for years. But that requires a joint effort.
 
Maybe a conference to sort things out and a big push is the wy forward.
There is, it's known as the Ukraine Contact Group. It is currently made up of 50 countries. Their 3rd meeting was 2 weeks ago in Brussels.

Basically the weapons are coming in as fast as the logistics can support. It's not a simple job. Lots of disparate systems entering the fight and they all have their own logistical req's. Also most countries have said they are not going to announce every delivery going forward.

The Ukrainians continue to go after high value targets and are having good effect- they just aren't publicizing it. It looks like the HIMARS got their first exercise, and a large ammunition depot in Luhansk was taken out. Also the command HQ in Kherson was just hit.

The Ukrainians are very careful to say they are only hitting targets within Ukraine's borders- they don't want anyone in the west to go all wobbly again.

The US quietly doubled the HIMARS allotment 2 weeks ago, I expect there will be many more of those and M270 in Ukraine's future as the logistics to sustain them is built out.

We're also seeing more T-62's coming out of storage in Siberia and ammunition going from Belarus inventory to Russia. That's another indication of looming Russian materiel shortages in Ukraine.

And another command shakeup- Dornikov is out and VKS Commander Army General Sergei Surovikin is now in command of the SMG.

Tea leaves...
 


"'The Russians are our friends': The civilians refusing to evacuate Ukraine's Lysychansk"
90% of the civilians in Lysychansk and SDonetsk fled to the western areas a long time ago. The 10% who stayed are the ones who were sympathetic to Russia. The UA is still trying to protect them from Russian shelling, but there is a certain mistrust of the remainers...

Those cities aren't like Mariupol- they had advance warning.
 
HIMARS says hello.
The USA fled Vietnam, which was helped by the USSR by supplying weapons.
The United States fled Afghanistan, which Russia did not help.
The question for ingenuity is - where will the United States run to, if Russia follows the example of the United States and helps the enemies of the United States with weapons?
 
The USA fled Vietnam, which was helped by the USSR by supplying weapons.
The United States fled Afghanistan, which Russia did not help.
The question for ingenuity is - where will the United States run to, if Russia follows the example of the United States and helps the enemies of the United States with weapons?
Russia has supplied weapons to our enemies for a very long time. Weapons to enemies of our Allies like Israel.

Russian weapons have killed Americans all over the globe. And our weapons have killed Russians as well. It's just our turn to stick it to Russia in Ukraine.

Russia is winning............but at a price. And it's so called false fronts...........they got hurt. The more mercs and weapons coming in the more pain Russia will feel. They will take the Donbas area in a month or so........and probably call for Peace settling for land gained now.

But the blood has already flowed their. There is NOW A BLOOD FUED. It will not end well. both countries will eventually get hit in their own countries over this Fued.
 
Countries that significantly economically benefit from the world's free trade policies, countries that have a big export market that brings a lot of money into their economies have a large and pronounced obligation to help Ukraine by providing them with heavy weapons and ammunition so they can win this war of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Especially Europe but also the balance of the world needs to be done with the 20th Century and before practice of authoritarian government's re-drawing countries boundaries by the use of strong armies and military power. The truth of this war is that it is all about Vladimir Putin trying to reconstitute the old Soviet Union about Vladimir Putin from his perspective taking back land that Russia rightly deserves to control, Mr. Putin's own words make his reasoning here crystal clear. The Russian President's justification for this war has no, that is zero, moral and legal legitimacy; the Ukrainian people have fundamental and natural rights and one of the most basic is the right to not have one's sovereignty violated, peoples have a birthright of a country and it cannot be taken away from they by a foreign entity or a group of individuals forcibly taking it away from them! Russia needs to lose this war so the message can be sent to the Kremlin and authoritarian regimes existing now and in the future that the international community will not allow you to take another country's sovereign territory by force, the international community stands up strongly here for human rights and international order. These prosperous export countries can't just offer token support to Ukraine at this time where there well-being as a country is on the line; you cannot just take from the world-wide economy, you have obligations to give back and support it or good people throughout the world will take steps to curtail your benefiting form the world wide economy!

The need for Ukraine is firepower, many knowledgeable people say that Russia dwarfs Ukraine firepower by like fifteen to one. I recently saw a media piece where an Ukrainian officer was being interviewed by a journalist and the Ukrainian commander said that if the Russian forces begin shelling or attack his position he only has enough artillery shells to last less than one hour in providing a defense for his position. The Free World needs to find a way to provide much much more artillery shells to Ukraine. I believe that the common size artillery shell today is the 155 mm shell, the M777 artillery gun which the Ukraine army has some of from the West use this size shell. This is the key point here although there is very complicated versions of this shell a version with guided missile technology etc., it is not necessary to provide such high quality shells to Ukraine, Ukraine can suffice with the simple basic version of this shell that has been around for fifty plus years. Powerful Governments that manufacture and use this shell should see to it that the design, blueprints, the manufacturing know how and the like to make the basic version of this shell be provided to Ukraine's allied countries especially their western and southern neighbors that would manufacture for Ukraine this shell and deliver it to Ukraine!

The West needs to think outside the box to help Ukraine get the firepower it needs to compete against the Russian army. Do things like in December of last year a Canadian company from Vegreville, Alberta got a contract to refurbish fifty Leopard One tanks so the Canadian government could use them as targets on their firing range to train their armed forces. If the Canadian government has any of those Leopard 1 tanks left give them to Ukraine the Leopard 1 is a good tank it will help Ukraine in its fight against the Russian Army. Other countries especially the United States needs to scour its bases and storage facilities to see if there is old, taken out of service, heavy weapon systems that could either directly or indirectly, go through some refurbishment, be given to the Ukraine military to help them defend their country! Media reports regularly describe the Ukrainian front lines in the eastern part of Ukraine as "meat grinders" for the way Ukrainian soldiers are being killed and torn up from the relentless and ferocious bombardment from the Russian army, this reality and much of the Free World's abysmal efforts to come to the Ukrainian people's aid here should cause great guilty amongst the peoples of the Free World and especially their leaders!
Ukraine is a corrupt country. Let Russia have it. it is not worth one american dollar or one american life.
 
Russia has supplied weapons to our enemies for a very long time. Weapons to enemies of our Allies like Israel.
The Soviet Union, and Russia, too, never helped the nazis and fascists. By helping the nazis, you become nazi collaborators, don't you?
That's why bourgeois propaganda is so eager to equate communists and nazis., well, in addition, not to notice the nazis in Ukraine.
 
The Soviet Union, and Russia, too, never helped the nazis and fascists. By helping the nazis, you become nazi collaborators, don't you?
That's why bourgeois propaganda is so eager to equate communists and nazis., well, in addition, not to notice the nazis in Ukraine.
My parents killed the Nazis and Japs.

Your saying all of Ukraine ARE NAZIs Sorry I don't buy that. We have small groups Of Nazi's here. Doesn't mean all Americans are NAZI'S.......

I can look at a map Russia was after Beach Front Property. What happened to ODESSA? You were headed there and left........still hitting it out of spite so I read. You took too many losses and decided not to try and take it.

I heard the scrap metal business is BOOMING IN UKRAINE.
 
In Germany, too, not everyone was a nazi, but your parents bombed them anyway and the bombs did not distinguish the nazis from the baby.
LOL

So you can say since you found some in Ukraine you can call all of Ukraine NAZI'S..........

I don't agree. And think Russia did it's provoking in those areas in question 2. The map of this conflict shows you were headed to Odessa. Turned back when it the going wasn't easy.

Putin wants all access to the Black Sea.
 
Your saying all of Ukraine ARE NAZIs Sorry I don't buy that.
When one of these bastards died, the presidential guard participated in his funeral. Guard of the jewish president (and it is clear to all idiots that there can be no nazis in power under a jewish president)
 

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