The Founders Anticipated the Threat of Trump

[The Banker]

The Republicans look so fuckin bad right now

This is the lowest the Republicans have ever been, worse than in 2008 when Bush blew up the economy and fucked up the Mid East.

In 2008 the Republicans looked bad because of total failure, now they look bad because of total corruption.

 

[mamooth]

Biden is trying to have him thrown in prison.

And to you wonder why the normal people consider you to be a hopelessly brainwashed low-IQ cultist.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Hamiltonians.

Hamiltonians everywhere...

The Establishment’s Love Affair With Hamilton

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

The childish and soporific replies (and even implied threats) of Trumpsters like progressive hunter and theHawk says a lot about how truly unconcerned they are about Trump’s threat to our Republic and “the rule of law.”

We will have to decide, all of us, what to do about our ever crazier and more vengeful ex-President, how we view his past lawless attempts to prevent the legal transfer of power, and how we must react to his renewed attempt to become a would be “King”-like authoritarian leader.

The famous comment of Benjamin Franklin when asked what our Founding Fathers in their wisdom had created, is most relevant to all of us, and will be tested in the 2024 election. He replied:

“A Republic … if you can keep it.”

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“The only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion,”

Immigrants are ‘taking over’ the country.

Immigrants and ‘the blacks’ are ‘taking away’ America from white America and ‘real’ Americans.

White grievance politics, racist replacement theory, the culture war.

Gay and transgender Americans are ‘grooming’ children.

However remarkable the prescience of the Framers might be, conservatism, Trump, and the illiberal, anti-democratic, authoritarian right remain an ongoing threat to the Republic.

 

[theHawk]

The childish and soporific replies (and even implied threats) of Trumpsters like progressive hunter and theHawk says a lot about how truly unconcerned they are about the threat to our Republic that the ex-President’s past lawless attempts to prevent the legal transfer of power and his renewed candidacy represent.

The famous comment of Benjamin Franklin when asked what our Founding Fathers in their wisdom had created, is most relevant to all of us, and will be tested in the 2024 election. He replied:

“A Republic … if you can keep it.”

A “lawless attempt”….by constitutional means of sending electors back to state legislatures and challenging in courts.

 

[theHawk]

The Republicans look so fuckin bad right now

This is the lowest the Republicans have ever been, worse than in 2008 when Bush blew up the economy and fucked up the Mid East.

In 2008 the Republicans looked bad because of total failure, now they look bad because of total corruption.

And yet the Democrats have embraced the neocon warmonger ideology.

Why won’t they charge Bush with warcrimes?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Authoritarian demagogues like Trump are who The Founding Fathers had in mind when they designed our system. Thankfully, it held, even though MAGA and other craven Republicans tried to subvert it. They'll try another time in 2024 if/when they lose again.

The allegations in the indictment of Donald Trump for conspiring to overturn the election of 2020 represent the American Founders’ nightmare. A key concern of James Madison and Alexander Hamilton was that demagogues would incite mobs and factions to defy the rule of law, overturn free and fair elections and undermine American democracy. “The only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion,” Alexander Hamilton wrote in 1790. “When a man unprincipled in private life, desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper…is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity,” Hamilton warned, “he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.’”​

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The Founders designed a constitutional system to prevent demagogues from sowing confusion and mob violence in precisely this way. The vast extent of the country, Madison said, would make it hard for local factions to coordinate any kind of mass mobilization. The horizontal separation of powers among the three branches of government would ensure that the House impeached and the Senate convicted corrupt presidents. The vertical division of powers between the states and the federal government would ensure that local officials ensured election integrity.​

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And norms about the peaceful transfer of power, strengthened by George Washington’s towering example of voluntarily stepping down from office after two terms, would ensure that no elected president could convert himself, like Caesar, into an unelected dictator. “The idea of introducing a monarchy or aristocracy into this Country,” Hamilton wrote, “is one of those visionary things, that none but madmen could meditate,” as long as the American people resisted “convulsions and disorders in consequence of the acts of popular demagogues.”​

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According to the federal indictment issued this week, President Trump attempted to overturn the results of the 2020 election by conspiring to spread such “convulsions and disorders” through a series of knowing lies. The indictment alleges that soon after election day, Trump “pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results,” perpetuating three separate criminal conspiracies: to impede the collection and counting of the ballots, Congress’s certification of the results on Jan. 6, 2021, and the right to vote itself.​

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The indictment alleges that all three conspiracies involved a concerted effort by Trump and his co-conspirators to subvert the election results using “knowingly false claims of election fraud.” In particular, Trump allegedly “organized fraudulent slates of electors in seven targeted states”; tried to use “the power and authority of the Justice Department to conduct sham election crime investigations”; tried to enlist Vice President Mike Pence “to fraudulently alter the election results”; and, as violence broke out on Jan. 6, redoubled his efforts to “convince Members of Congress to further delay the certification.”​

Essay | The Founders Anticipated the Threat of Trump

This week’s indictment of the former president outlines the sort of demagogic challenge to the rule of law that the Constitution’s architects most feared.

www.wsj.com

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AND THE FUN PART IS THAT HE IS NEVER LEAVING!

 

[theHawk]

Trump, and the illiberal, anti-democratic, authoritarian right remain an ongoing threat to the Republic.

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You and every lefty on this board:



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[Esdraelon]

It’s as if Hamilton foresaw Trump and today’s GOP.

I wonder if he foresaw the Left setting the nation on fire if a populist was elected to the Oval Office. I guess we'll see, soon enough.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

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You and every lefty on this board:



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As we move closer to the 2024 primaries and General Election, the threat from the illiberal, anti-democratic, authoritarian right will only intensify, particularly if Trump is the 2024 GOP presidential nominee.

Once again, the system the Framers put into place will be severely tested – that system failed in 2016, and much of the damage to America Trump caused is irreparable; the system worked in 2020 and Trump was vanquished.

In 2024 the right will continue its campaign of demagoguery and fearmongering, campaign of attacks on our democratic institutions and the rule of law, and campaign of misinformation, conspiracy theories, and lies.

 

[mudwhistle]

Trump has some major character flaws. Do not forget though that he would not have been popular if not for those who preceeded him. When people.gloss.over this fact it ensures that another flawed person will.follow. Trumo is a fighter though, this can't be denied.

Everyone's flawed.
There was only one perfect person born, and they crucified him.

 

[mudwhistle]

And to you wonder why the normal people consider you to be a hopelessly brainwashed low-IQ cultist.

Thanks for the useless commentary you worthless commie bastard.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Biden is trying to have him thrown in prison.

Yeah, well he should be swinging from a tree.

 

[Auld Phart]

Thanks for the useless commentary you worthless commie bastard.

what do you expect from (ma)mouth?

 

[Lastamender]

Authoritarian demagogues like Trump are who The Founding Fathers had in mind when they designed our system. Thankfully, it held, even though MAGA and other craven Republicans tried to subvert it. They'll try another time in 2024 if/when they lose again.

The allegations in the indictment of Donald Trump for conspiring to overturn the election of 2020 represent the American Founders’ nightmare. A key concern of James Madison and Alexander Hamilton was that demagogues would incite mobs and factions to defy the rule of law, overturn free and fair elections and undermine American democracy. “The only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion,” Alexander Hamilton wrote in 1790. “When a man unprincipled in private life, desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper…is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity,” Hamilton warned, “he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.’”​

​

The Founders designed a constitutional system to prevent demagogues from sowing confusion and mob violence in precisely this way. The vast extent of the country, Madison said, would make it hard for local factions to coordinate any kind of mass mobilization. The horizontal separation of powers among the three branches of government would ensure that the House impeached and the Senate convicted corrupt presidents. The vertical division of powers between the states and the federal government would ensure that local officials ensured election integrity.​

​

And norms about the peaceful transfer of power, strengthened by George Washington’s towering example of voluntarily stepping down from office after two terms, would ensure that no elected president could convert himself, like Caesar, into an unelected dictator. “The idea of introducing a monarchy or aristocracy into this Country,” Hamilton wrote, “is one of those visionary things, that none but madmen could meditate,” as long as the American people resisted “convulsions and disorders in consequence of the acts of popular demagogues.”​

​

According to the federal indictment issued this week, President Trump attempted to overturn the results of the 2020 election by conspiring to spread such “convulsions and disorders” through a series of knowing lies. The indictment alleges that soon after election day, Trump “pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results,” perpetuating three separate criminal conspiracies: to impede the collection and counting of the ballots, Congress’s certification of the results on Jan. 6, 2021, and the right to vote itself.​

​

The indictment alleges that all three conspiracies involved a concerted effort by Trump and his co-conspirators to subvert the election results using “knowingly false claims of election fraud.” In particular, Trump allegedly “organized fraudulent slates of electors in seven targeted states”; tried to use “the power and authority of the Justice Department to conduct sham election crime investigations”; tried to enlist Vice President Mike Pence “to fraudulently alter the election results”; and, as violence broke out on Jan. 6, redoubled his efforts to “convince Members of Congress to further delay the certification.”​

Essay | The Founders Anticipated the Threat of Trump

This week’s indictment of the former president outlines the sort of demagogic challenge to the rule of law that the Constitution’s architects most feared.

www.wsj.com

Revisionist history, from a dumbass.

 

[Auld Phart]

Yeah, well he should be swinging from a tree.

instigating a lynch party?

Standard DNC policy

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

I just find it odd you would be so quick to blurt out "the founders anticipated the progressives and why they enshrined the 2nd amendment" and then when asked to clarify what you mean you shy away in the other direction as if you're ashamed or embarrassed.

You can't explain that?

I can. CULT behavior.

 

[Lastamender]

I just find it odd you would be so quick to blurt out "the founders anticipated the progressives and why they enshrined the 2nd amendment" and then when asked to clarify what you mean you shy away in the other direction as if you're ashamed or embarrassed.

You can't explain that?

The explanation was that without guns you cannot fight people with guns. That simple.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The Founders had Trump and these Times in mind when they wrote this:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Phony election is a number one cause.