The Fable of the siege.

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It doesn't matter, instead of investing and rebuilding economy they decided to invest in rockets and tunnels again, this is why Israel decided to place a blockade and designate Gaza as Hostile, closing the borders is fully legitimate action, placing the partially blockade is also fully legitimate action.
Now they complain about a siege or blockade but Israel didn't closed any border and have zero problem with Rafah checkpoint being opened or closed, Kerem Shalom should've been close but Israel didn't!

Farmers can't farm. Fishermen can't fish. Almost all of the factories are closed because of the siege. Nothing can be exported.

There isn't much of a global market for bomb belts or qassam rockets. :cool:
 
BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) – Seven years after Israel disengaged from the Gaza Strip, several things have changed both at the political and the economic level, Hamas official Mahmoud Zahhar said Friday.

Speaking to Ma’an, Zahhar asserted that “Gaza is free of occupation, and contiguity with the outside world is easier as visitors from all over the world visited the coastal enclave.”

He added that one year after the disengagement local and parliamentary elections took place in 2006. “Fatah turned against the outcome of elections, a siege has been imposed and the former Egyptian regime practiced certain policies including closure of the Rafah crossing.”

Despite all of that, he said, the economic situation has improved noticeably and the Gaza Strip became self-reliant in several aspects because lands in former Israeli settlements were planted. “We are self-dependent in several aspects except petroleum and electricity.”

Asked to comment on the protests in the West Bank against the deteriorating economic conditions, Zahhar said that was a natural result of economic reliance on the United States and Israel who completely control the Palestinian economy.

The Hamas official boasted that the economic conditions in the Gaza Strip are much better than in the West Bank; “people in Gaza receive full salaries, and all the money the Ramallah government transfers goes to Fatah supporters only.”

Asked whether or not he believes the Palestinian Authority has really collapsed, Zahhar said the replacement was ready. “The resistance program, which was originally replaced by the PA, is ready,” he said.

Zahhar expressed opposition to a bi-national state as an option after the two-state solution ended in failure. “I told you previously that the outcome of Oslo would be a big zero.

"The bi-national state which (Fatah leader) Ahmad Qurai is promoting, as well as the UN bid thing, UNESCO and negotiations are all indications that the program which Fatah introduced has come to an end. A bi-national state means that the other nationality has the same rights in Palestine as a whole, and this means Hamas’ program has won, and good evidence can be found in what has happened around us.”

With regard to Hamas’ relations with Iran, Zahhar asserted that the relations were deep-rooted and his visit to Iran was part of Hamas’ outreach policy. “We welcome support from whoever wants to support us as long as we are not asked to pay a price for that support.”

Zahhar: Gaza more secure than West Bank | Maan News Agency
 
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and....
Still remains in total control of the area....
The dictionary may have a definition of the word "Siege" but so does international law... Go check out what that says about an occupying state laying siege to the country it occupies.

For the rest, I'm not even going to waste my time responding to...

Strange how Hamas's Mahmoud Zahhar disagrees with your assessment yet you cover your eyes and ears and believe only what you choose to. You are transparent.
"Gaza is free of occupation..." - Mahmoud Zahar
Zahhar: Gaza more secure than West Bank | Maan News Agency
 
It doesn't matter, instead of investing and rebuilding economy they decided to invest in rockets and tunnels again, this is why Israel decided to place a blockade and designate Gaza as Hostile, closing the borders is fully legitimate action, placing the partially blockade is also fully legitimate action.
Now they complain about a siege or blockade but Israel didn't closed any border and have zero problem with Rafah checkpoint being opened or closed, Kerem Shalom should've been close but Israel didn't!

Farmers can't farm. Fishermen can't fish. Almost all of the factories are closed because of the siege. Nothing can be exported.

Where should they invest?

My information says that ships can dock in Gaza or leave from Gaza upon inspection at Ashdod.. That's NOT a siege. It is "containment".. And while Gaza is lacking the proper legal/security infrastructure to INSPECT international cargo -- Asking for the ability to clear cargo in Israel IS NOT a blockade. Those farmers can ship anything they desire --- if it goes thru Ashdod..

You really don't seem to know much about the situation there P.F. Because even a quick glance at the Wiki will show you that Israel is in NO WAY acting UNILATERALLY on this containment..

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 20 June 2010, Israel's Security Cabinet approved a new system governing the blockade that would allow practically all non-military or dual-use items to enter the Gaza strip. According to a cabinet statement, Israel would "expand the transfer of construction materials designated for projects that have been approved by the Palestinian Authority, including schools, health institutions, water, sanitation and more – as well as (projects) that are under international supervision."[100] Despite the easing of the land blockade, Israel will continue to inspect all goods bound for Gaza by sea at the port of Ashdod.[101]


In 2010, Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas declared that he opposed lifting the naval blockade of the Gaza Strip because this would bolster Hamas. Egypt also supported this position.[149]

Egypt's argument is that it cannot open Rafah crossing unless the Palestinian Authority headed by Mahmoud Abbas controls the crossing and international monitors are present. Egypt Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said Hamas wants the border opened because it would represent Egyptian recognition of the group's control of Gaza. "Of course this is something we cannot do," he said, "because it would undermine the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and consecrate the split between Gaza and the West Bank."[4]

The issue of a legitimate govt for Gaza is LARGER than Israel's actions..
 
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Ok I watched it, but it changes nothing. Her claim that there was a siege is bullshit, specially considering the Rafah crossing was open.

The article Daniyel posted makes a good point. Hamas used the 'siege' lie to launch rockets at Israel. I'm certain that if Israel were to get rid the blockade, Hamas would eventually find another reason to launch rockets.
 
The fact Israel placed the blockade to prevent rockets and weapons out of Gaza ...so the Palestinians launch more rockets to remove it? Stupidity has no limits!
 
It doesn't matter, instead of investing and rebuilding economy they decided to invest in rockets and tunnels again, this is why Israel decided to place a blockade and designate Gaza as Hostile, closing the borders is fully legitimate action, placing the partially blockade is also fully legitimate action.
Now they complain about a siege or blockade but Israel didn't closed any border and have zero problem with Rafah checkpoint being opened or closed, Kerem Shalom should've been close but Israel didn't!

Farmers can't farm. Fishermen can't fish. Almost all of the factories are closed because of the siege. Nothing can be exported.

Where should they invest?

My information says that ships can dock in Gaza or leave from Gaza upon inspection at Ashdod.. That's NOT a siege. It is "containment".. And while Gaza is lacking the proper legal/security infrastructure to INSPECT international cargo -- Asking for the ability to clear cargo in Israel IS NOT a blockade. Those farmers can ship anything they desire --- if it goes thru Ashdod..

You really don't seem to know much about the situation there P.F. Because even a quick glance at the Wiki will show you that Israel is in NO WAY acting UNILATERALLY on this containment..

Blockade of the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 20 June 2010, Israel's Security Cabinet approved a new system governing the blockade that would allow practically all non-military or dual-use items to enter the Gaza strip. According to a cabinet statement, Israel would "expand the transfer of construction materials designated for projects that have been approved by the Palestinian Authority, including schools, health institutions, water, sanitation and more – as well as (projects) that are under international supervision."[100] Despite the easing of the land blockade, Israel will continue to inspect all goods bound for Gaza by sea at the port of Ashdod.[101]


In 2010, Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas declared that he opposed lifting the naval blockade of the Gaza Strip because this would bolster Hamas. Egypt also supported this position.[149]

Egypt's argument is that it cannot open Rafah crossing unless the Palestinian Authority headed by Mahmoud Abbas controls the crossing and international monitors are present. Egypt Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said Hamas wants the border opened because it would represent Egyptian recognition of the group's control of Gaza. "Of course this is something we cannot do," he said, "because it would undermine the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and consecrate the split between Gaza and the West Bank."[4]

The issue of a legitimate govt for Gaza is LARGER than Israel's actions..

because it would undermine the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority

:lol::lol::lol::lol: That is a good one. The PA in the West Bank is totally illegitimate. :lol::lol::lol:
 
The fact Israel placed the blockade to prevent rockets and weapons out of Gaza ...so the Palestinians launch more rockets to remove it? Stupidity has no limits!

Oh I see, the blockade was to prevent rockets and weapons out of Gaza, not into Gaza
 
The fact Israel placed the blockade to prevent rockets and weapons out of Gaza ...so the Palestinians launch more rockets to remove it? Stupidity has no limits!

Oh I see, the blockade was to prevent rockets and weapons out of Gaza, not into Gaza
OUT of Gaza as NOT INSIDE GAZA.
anyway you can say whatever you like but ever since this thread isup you just crumble like a fish on a fishing rod.. you know the truth but you stick with what is wrong - Allah la bahibtak yhmar ibn hmar haha
 
Farmers can't farm. Fishermen can't fish. Almost all of the factories are closed because of the siege. Nothing can be exported.

Where should they invest?

My information says that ships can dock in Gaza or leave from Gaza upon inspection at Ashdod.. That's NOT a siege. It is "containment".. And while Gaza is lacking the proper legal/security infrastructure to INSPECT international cargo -- Asking for the ability to clear cargo in Israel IS NOT a blockade. Those farmers can ship anything they desire --- if it goes thru Ashdod..

You really don't seem to know much about the situation there P.F. Because even a quick glance at the Wiki will show you that Israel is in NO WAY acting UNILATERALLY on this containment..



The issue of a legitimate govt for Gaza is LARGER than Israel's actions..

because it would undermine the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority

:lol::lol::lol::lol: That is a good one. The PA in the West Bank is totally illegitimate. :lol::lol::lol:


that shows how far off the facts your opinions really are... Did you vote in that election?
You have a real reason why you support dysfunctional radical faction like Hamas over folks that have international recognition, respect, and a DUTY to negotiate for the sake of their people???

FYI I may support Israels right to thrive, but I'd never be arrogant enough to take sides in their internal political party wars....
 
My information says that ships can dock in Gaza or leave from Gaza upon inspection at Ashdod.. That's NOT a siege. It is "containment".. And while Gaza is lacking the proper legal/security infrastructure to INSPECT international cargo -- Asking for the ability to clear cargo in Israel IS NOT a blockade. Those farmers can ship anything they desire --- if it goes thru Ashdod..

You really don't seem to know much about the situation there P.F. Because even a quick glance at the Wiki will show you that Israel is in NO WAY acting UNILATERALLY on this containment..



The issue of a legitimate govt for Gaza is LARGER than Israel's actions..

because it would undermine the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority

:lol::lol::lol::lol: That is a good one. The PA in the West Bank is totally illegitimate. :lol::lol::lol:


that shows how far off the facts your opinions really are... Did you vote in that election?
You have a real reason why you support dysfunctional radical faction like Hamas over folks that have international recognition, respect, and a DUTY to negotiate for the sake of their people???

FYI I may support Israels right to thrive, but I'd never be arrogant enough to take sides in their internal political party wars....

That proves a point. There is no lie too big for Israel to pull off.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ai-Udti1M]On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube[/ame]
 
Considering the given facts and you groundless accusations people tend to believe you're the liar Tinmore..
 
On The Map with Avi Lewis: Gaza Coup d'Etat? - YouTube
Who cares? Gazabadians elected their hamass thugs by their collective choice, time for them to face their collective responsibility for that, of course.
 
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Considering the given facts and you groundless accusations people tend to believe you're the liar Tinmore..

What lie is that?

Name one.

Misleading on purpose is a lie.
Hamas was elected by Gaza in 2006..not by Palestine and not by the entire Palestinians.

You always believe Israel's lies.

Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/international/middleeast/26cnd-hamas.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
What lie is that?

Name one.

Misleading on purpose is a lie.
Hamas was elected by Gaza in 2006..not by Palestine and not by the entire Palestinians.

You always believe Israel's lies.

Hamas Sweeps Palestinian Elections, Complicating Peace Efforts in Mideast

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/international/middleeast/26cnd-hamas.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

I'm talking about Gaza, and you are talking about Palestinians in general, anyway Hamas is a terrorist organization elected by -any- Palestinians is illegal act on its own, the lies you believe comes from the word of this people, so don't try to state all this situation is because of Mazen - another terrorist that made pact with Hamas.
 
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