The End Is Near....The Final Curtain

[RightyTighty]

Equating liberals to classic liberalism is quite amusing.

There are still classic liberals around. I am one.

I disagree. The vibe I get from you is indoctrinated derp, sorry.

They'd be running the founders out of the country.

So, you're a fan of revolution now? Interesting.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Stop lying the memorializing of America's founding was based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional governance.


You and every totalitarian demand the bending of the knee and the neck to big government....this:
. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



But....I certainly hope you continue to make your lies this easy to obliterate.

Communism, National Socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....all have a the central doctrine:
"....an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature...."
Goldberg, Liberal Fascism

Individualism and limited government are liberalism, little dummy.

are you for real? Let me help you.

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

"Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems.
Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems."

More government = less liberty. Less government = more liberty

You mean like the liberty to enslave?

Or the liberty to destroy the environment and poison people?

The liberty of the economically advantaged to take full advantage of the economically disadvantaged?

Those types of liberties?

If America is so bad go to North Korea...stop trying to make a communist state here.

America is a wonderful country and I intend to do everything I can to keep it that way.

Which primarily means stopping people like you from turning it into another North Korea.

Totalitarianism by any other name is still totalitarianism.

 

[JoeNormal]

It's the cornerstone of modern Liberalism; more power to the government, less to the individual

The cornerstone of modern Conservatism: more power to the corporations, less to the individual.

 

[RightyTighty]

Yep, you can't defend liberty. Normal for fascists.

Your definition of liberty must be drastically different than ours. Why don't you explain what yours is so that we can get a better understanding of where you're coming from.

Liberty is when the government decides everything for you

Said no one, ever.

It's the cornerstone of modern Liberalism; more power to the government, less to the individual

Not liberalism - modern or not.

Modern liberalism is gays and women have equality.

 

[jc456]

the previous president when he put a red line in the sand and walked backward

The line needed to be drawn and even our current President saw the necessity in an attack that was by magnitude 10 times less deadly as the one Obama was responding to. But Obama should have known the hypocritical Republicans would never have his back.

No support from Congress. A no vote by the UK. Republicans overwhelmingly rejected a military strike by Obama, but overwhelmingly supported Trumps even though the magnitude of the Chemical attack was so much less. Nope the GOP left Obama with his dick swinging in the wind. Even still there were war ships heading for the Syrian coast for a strike (like the one Trump authorized I bet) when Kerry made them an offer Putin couldn't refuse.

all fake shit thanks for again proving where the left goes.

 

[jc456]

It's the cornerstone of modern Liberalism; more power to the government, less to the individual

The cornerstone of modern Conservatism: more power to the corporations, less to the individual.

I saw no corporation interfering with our election, I saw government officials and biased MSM. you are a lost soul I see.

 

[Hum Dinger]

Yep, you can't defend liberty. Normal for fascists.

Your definition of liberty must be drastically different than ours. Why don't you explain what yours is so that we can get a better understanding of where you're coming from.

Liberty is when the government decides everything for you

Said no one, ever.

It's the cornerstone of modern Liberalism; more power to the government, less to the individual

How about more power to the government in order to protect the American people from a totalitarian take over by the wealthy?

From "Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen":

"Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of each man has only those borders which assure other members of the society the enjoyment of these same rights. These borders can be determined only by the law."

 

[jc456]

Yep, you can't defend liberty. Normal for fascists.

Your definition of liberty must be drastically different than ours. Why don't you explain what yours is so that we can get a better understanding of where you're coming from.

Liberty is when the government decides everything for you

Said no one, ever.

It's the cornerstone of modern Liberalism; more power to the government, less to the individual

How about more power to the government in order to protect the American people from a totalitarian take over by the wealthy?

From "Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen":

"Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of each man has only those borders which assure other members of the society the enjoyment of these same rights. These borders can be determined only by the law."

those laws are already on the books. No new ones needed. thanks. Get the government hands out of depleting the middle class and we're all good.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Individualism and limited government are liberalism, little dummy.

are you for real? Let me help you.

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

"Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems.
Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems."

More government = less liberty. Less government = more liberty

You mean like the liberty to enslave?

Or the liberty to destroy the environment and poison people?

The liberty of the economically advantaged to take full advantage of the economically disadvantaged?

Those types of liberties?

If America is so bad go to North Korea...stop trying to make a communist state here.

America is a wonderful country and I intend to do everything I can to keep it that way.

Which primarily means stopping people like you from turning it into another North Korea.

Totalitarianism by any other name is still totalitarianism.

"America is a wonderful country and I intend to do everything I can to keep it that way."

Which 'America,' you dunce?

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

 

[jc456]

Individualism and limited government are liberalism, little dummy.

are you for real? Let me help you.

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

"Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems.
Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems."

More government = less liberty. Less government = more liberty

You mean like the liberty to enslave?

Or the liberty to destroy the environment and poison people?

The liberty of the economically advantaged to take full advantage of the economically disadvantaged?

Those types of liberties?

Enslave????


Slave
noun
historical
1.a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
Google

Reality is defined by actions, not by words....soooo....if current Democrat royalty behaved as though slavery was their right.....it would prove everything this thread claims.
Is it possible that the current champion of the Democrat Party.....the current Democrat Party.....was copacetic with having slaves????
Having a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them?????

You betcha'!!!!


2. "Hillary Clinton Accused of Using ‘Convicted Murderer Slaves’ To Serve Her in Governor’s Mansion
When we moved in, I was told that using prison labor at the governor’s mansion was a longstanding tradition, which kept down costs, and I was assured that the inmates were carefully screened. I was also told the onetime murders were far the preferred security risks.

I saw and learned a lot as I got to know them better. We enforced rules strictly and sent back to prison any inmate who broke a rule.

....over the years we lived there, we became friendly with a few of them, African-American men ....

maple cocaine @historyinflicks
Me: Bill & Hillary Clinton had slaves

Lib: They weren't slaves! They were prisoners learning a vocation

Me: What vocation?

Lib: Servitude

4:52 AM - 7 Jun 2017"
Hillary Clinton Accused of Using ‘Convicted Murderer Slaves’ To Serve Her in Governor’s Mansion





3. Oh....BTW....did I mention that the Democrat Party is now, and has always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship?

Going to tell us you admire Lincoln and his liberal views?

you can't make this shit up. Nope!!!

 

[Marion Morrison]

It's the cornerstone of modern Liberalism; more power to the government, less to the individual

The cornerstone of modern Conservatism: more power to the corporations, less to the individual.

I saw no corporation interfering with our election, I saw government officials and biased MSM. you are a lost soul I see.

Well, then there's that the MSM is run by corporations.

Never forget they tried to influence the 2016 election more than Russia.

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

Yep, you can't defend liberty. Normal for fascists.

Your definition of liberty must be drastically different than ours. Why don't you explain what yours is so that we can get a better understanding of where you're coming from.

Liberty is when the government decides everything for you

Said no one, ever.

It's the cornerstone of modern Liberalism; more power to the government, less to the individual

How about more power to the government in order to protect the American people from a totalitarian take over by the wealthy?

From "Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen":

"Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of each man has only those borders which assure other members of the society the enjoyment of these same rights. These borders can be determined only by the law."

You've watched the old movies Roller Ball or Soilent Green one too many times.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's the cornerstone of modern Liberalism; more power to the government, less to the individual

The cornerstone of modern Conservatism: more power to the corporations, less to the individual.

Didn't we decide earlier that you are a moron????

No need to come back and prove it again.


See if this example gives you a better understanding than the propaganda you've been taught in government school:

1. “Exxon Mobil, in fact, is owned mostly by ordinary Americans. Mutual funds, index funds and pension funds (including union pension funds) own about 52 percent of Exxon Mobil’s shares. Individual shareholders, about two million or so, own almost all the rest. The pooh-bahs who run Exxon own less than 1 percent of the company.” Exxon Mobil Needs a Hug

2. And, of course, the antibusiness crowd loves stories about how much Big Oil is stealing from the American people! On the contrary, in 2006, the oil industry paid $81 billion in income tax, and while Exxon’s earnings increased 89% from 2003 to 2007, their income taxes increased 170%. http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily...?chan=top+news_top+news+index_news+++analysis

3. The non-thinking segment of the public has been conditioned to hate the oil industry. Very few realize the extent to which they are subsidized by this industry. “According to the [Exxon] company's income statement, the amount of taxes it paid in 2008 was 2.5 times as much as its net profit. The $45.2 billion profit figure makes a snappy headline, but the $116.2 billion in taxes that it paid is relegated to a footnote—if that. Exxon's tax bill breaks down like this: income taxes, $36.5 billion; sales-based taxes, $34.5 billion; "all other" taxes, $45.2 billion.” http://www.usnews.com/articles/opin...vil-only-until-you-weigh-their-tax-bills.html



I only wish that stupidity was painful.

 

[Marion Morrison]

are you for real? Let me help you.

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

"Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems.
Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems."

More government = less liberty. Less government = more liberty

You mean like the liberty to enslave?

Or the liberty to destroy the environment and poison people?

The liberty of the economically advantaged to take full advantage of the economically disadvantaged?

Those types of liberties?

Enslave????


Slave
noun
historical
1.a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
Google

Reality is defined by actions, not by words....soooo....if current Democrat royalty behaved as though slavery was their right.....it would prove everything this thread claims.
Is it possible that the current champion of the Democrat Party.....the current Democrat Party.....was copacetic with having slaves????
Having a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them?????

You betcha'!!!!


2. "Hillary Clinton Accused of Using ‘Convicted Murderer Slaves’ To Serve Her in Governor’s Mansion
When we moved in, I was told that using prison labor at the governor’s mansion was a longstanding tradition, which kept down costs, and I was assured that the inmates were carefully screened. I was also told the onetime murders were far the preferred security risks.

I saw and learned a lot as I got to know them better. We enforced rules strictly and sent back to prison any inmate who broke a rule.

....over the years we lived there, we became friendly with a few of them, African-American men ....

maple cocaine @historyinflicks
Me: Bill & Hillary Clinton had slaves

Lib: They weren't slaves! They were prisoners learning a vocation

Me: What vocation?

Lib: Servitude

4:52 AM - 7 Jun 2017"
Hillary Clinton Accused of Using ‘Convicted Murderer Slaves’ To Serve Her in Governor’s Mansion





3. Oh....BTW....did I mention that the Democrat Party is now, and has always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship?

Going to tell us you admire Lincoln and his liberal views?

you can't make this shit up. Nope!!!

Lincoln was the most fascist president the US has had to date.

 

[Hum Dinger]

the previous president when he put a red line in the sand and walked backward

The line needed to be drawn and even our current President saw the necessity in an attack that was by magnitude 10 times less deadly as the one Obama was responding to. But Obama should have known the hypocritical Republicans would never have his back.

No support from Congress. A no vote by the UK. Republicans overwhelmingly rejected a military strike by Obama, but overwhelmingly supported Trumps even though the magnitude of the Chemical attack was so much less. Nope the GOP left Obama with his dick swinging in the wind. Even still there were war ships heading for the Syrian coast for a strike (like the one Trump authorized I bet) when Kerry made them an offer Putin couldn't refuse.

Seems you've decided to ignore this....his roiling the Middle East due to duplicity, incompetence and his being a crypto-Islamist:


Obama made a huge mistake in refusing to negotiate an agreement to leave US troops in Iraq.
This is the source of the problem with ISIS: they're there because we weren't.
"Obama's 2012 Debate Boast: I Didn't Want to Leave Any Troops in Iraq
Obama then denied that he ever supported a status of forces agreement that would have left troops in Iraq:

MR. ROMNEY: [W]ith regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should have been a status of forces agreement. Did you —

PRESIDENT OBAMA:That's not true.

MR. ROMNEY:Oh, you didn't — you didn't want a status of forces agreement?

PRESIDENT OBAMA:No, but what I — what I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East.

"Here's one thing I've learned as commander in chief," Obama said at the end of the exchange. "You've got to be clear, both to our allies and our enemies, about where you stand and what you mean."
[Yeah....he really said that!]
Obama s 2012 Debate Boast I Didn t Want to Leave Any Troops in Iraq The Weekly Standard



a. "This month, Colin Kahl, the senior Pentagon official in charge of Iraq policy at the time, explained why the White House insisted on Iraq’s parliament approving the changes to the SOFA.

He wrote inPolitico Magazinethat in 2011 Iraq’s prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, “told U.S. negotiators that he was willing to sign an executive memorandum of understanding that included these legal protections.

Yet this time around, Obama is willing to accept an agreement from Iraq’s foreign ministry on U.S. forces in Iraq without a vote of Iraq’s parliament. “We believe we need a separate set of assurances from the Iraqis,” one senior U.S. defense official told The Daily Beast on Sunday. This official said this would likely be an agreement or exchange of diplomatic notes from the Iraq’s foreign ministry. “We basically need a piece of paper from them,” another U.S. official involved in the negotiations told The Daily Beast. The official didn’t explain why the parliamentary vote, so crucial three years ago, was no longer needed.”
Obama Does a U-Turn on Immunity for U.S. Troops in Iraq - The Daily Beast

Obama rejected it.

Effectively, he created and supported ISIS.


I knew where the snake's interests lay when I saw this....and not a single bomb or missile from the US:

View attachment 133282

Where did all those new Toyotas come from?

I suppose originally Japan, no?

are you for real? Let me help you.

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

"Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems.
Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems."

More government = less liberty. Less government = more liberty

You mean like the liberty to enslave?

Or the liberty to destroy the environment and poison people?

The liberty of the economically advantaged to take full advantage of the economically disadvantaged?

Those types of liberties?

If America is so bad go to North Korea...stop trying to make a communist state here.

America is a wonderful country and I intend to do everything I can to keep it that way.

Which primarily means stopping people like you from turning it into another North Korea.

Totalitarianism by any other name is still totalitarianism.

"America is a wonderful country and I intend to do everything I can to keep it that way."

Which 'America,' you dunce?

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

America is not and never has been either of the two.

You're just a simpleton that can not understand any but simple binary thinking.

 

[jc456]

you claimed you didn't call anyone racist with your arguments concerning trump. well here is your quote:

" skin color so when you fault him for it you sound like a racist."

using insults to respond rather than debating is what I'm discussing. and BTW, orange buffoon is still an insult.

NOOO, what I said was that I didn't call TRUMP a racist (he just panders to them)

Certainly I WOULD call a racist those that ARE racist and on this board we have a few that openly embrace that label.

Nor did I EVER say that I never insult. So again you are making shit up.

Time for that retract.

there you go, way to step out and prove my point. saves me from going to other searches now. you are exactly what I said you were.

WTF is wrong with you? What point do you think my post proved?

And why won't you retract your bullshit about me calling trump racist or commie or nazi? We both know you can't support it, so time to MAN UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING.

sure you just stated he panders to racist. well dah, that means he is. You can't imply something and then back out. sorry bubba. you are what you are.

That's is BECAUSE HE DID.

If you are a racist white nationalist Trump was your guy, no two ways about it.

KKK's David Duke fully endorsed him and Trump for a long time refused to denounce the endorsement.

David Duke: Trump win a great victory for 'our people'

and again, what does that have to do with Trump? kkk voted for hitlery, fact. so you lose, you can't even keep the stories together. white racists always vote for the ?GOP, is that new to you? it is there right ain't it? you just got to love where you and your peers love to take the rabbit.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yep, you can't defend liberty. Normal for fascists.

Your definition of liberty must be drastically different than ours. Why don't you explain what yours is so that we can get a better understanding of where you're coming from.

Liberty is when the government decides everything for you

Said no one, ever.

It's the cornerstone of modern Liberalism; more power to the government, less to the individual

How about more power to the government in order to protect the American people from a totalitarian take over by the wealthy?

From "Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen":

"Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of each man has only those borders which assure other members of the society the enjoyment of these same rights. These borders can be determined only by the law."

"How about more power to the government in order to protect the American people from a totalitarian take over by the wealthy?"

OMG!!!!


Did you ever post anything aside from DNC talking points and bumper stickers????


Do you even know who the top 1% are?????

1. According to Nicole Lapin of CNN, financial services professionals make up just 14 percent of that top 1 percent of wage earners. Their average salary of $311,000 per year, while quite gaudy, falls just below the threshold needed to break into the highest-earning subset.
2. The biggest single group of professionals in the top one percent is actually doctors, who make up 16 percent of that subset.
3. Executives and managers outside of finance make up 31% of the total, but Lapin didn't break them down by industry.
4. So those who want to direct their anger at the winners in the income inequality sweepstakes might want to look beyond the lower of half of Manhattan. There's plenty of other folks closer to home that you might want to have a word with. Where Does the Top 1% Really Work?
5. Lawyers make up 9 percent. The 1 Percent Are Not All Wall Streeters—They're the Bosses
6. To get into the “top 1%” of Americans you don’t need to be a billionaire or millionaire or half-millionaire. The minimum wage earners in that group make about $343k/year….The “top 1%” of wage earners earn 17% of the nation’s income. Who the Heck Are the "Top 1%"?!!

 

[RightyTighty]

More government = less liberty. Less government = more liberty

You mean like the liberty to enslave?

Or the liberty to destroy the environment and poison people?

The liberty of the economically advantaged to take full advantage of the economically disadvantaged?

Those types of liberties?

Enslave????


Slave
noun
historical
1.a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
Google

Reality is defined by actions, not by words....soooo....if current Democrat royalty behaved as though slavery was their right.....it would prove everything this thread claims.
Is it possible that the current champion of the Democrat Party.....the current Democrat Party.....was copacetic with having slaves????
Having a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them?????

You betcha'!!!!


2. "Hillary Clinton Accused of Using ‘Convicted Murderer Slaves’ To Serve Her in Governor’s Mansion
When we moved in, I was told that using prison labor at the governor’s mansion was a longstanding tradition, which kept down costs, and I was assured that the inmates were carefully screened. I was also told the onetime murders were far the preferred security risks.

I saw and learned a lot as I got to know them better. We enforced rules strictly and sent back to prison any inmate who broke a rule.

....over the years we lived there, we became friendly with a few of them, African-American men ....

maple cocaine @historyinflicks
Me: Bill & Hillary Clinton had slaves

Lib: They weren't slaves! They were prisoners learning a vocation

Me: What vocation?

Lib: Servitude

4:52 AM - 7 Jun 2017"
Hillary Clinton Accused of Using ‘Convicted Murderer Slaves’ To Serve Her in Governor’s Mansion





3. Oh....BTW....did I mention that the Democrat Party is now, and has always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship?

Going to tell us you admire Lincoln and his liberal views?

you can't make this shit up. Nope!!!

Lincoln was the most fascist president the US has had to date.

The GOP is the party of Lincoln.

 

[jc456]

More government = less liberty. Less government = more liberty

You mean like the liberty to enslave?

Or the liberty to destroy the environment and poison people?

The liberty of the economically advantaged to take full advantage of the economically disadvantaged?

Those types of liberties?

Enslave????


Slave
noun
historical
1.a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
Google

Reality is defined by actions, not by words....soooo....if current Democrat royalty behaved as though slavery was their right.....it would prove everything this thread claims.
Is it possible that the current champion of the Democrat Party.....the current Democrat Party.....was copacetic with having slaves????
Having a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them?????

You betcha'!!!!


2. "Hillary Clinton Accused of Using ‘Convicted Murderer Slaves’ To Serve Her in Governor’s Mansion
When we moved in, I was told that using prison labor at the governor’s mansion was a longstanding tradition, which kept down costs, and I was assured that the inmates were carefully screened. I was also told the onetime murders were far the preferred security risks.

I saw and learned a lot as I got to know them better. We enforced rules strictly and sent back to prison any inmate who broke a rule.

....over the years we lived there, we became friendly with a few of them, African-American men ....

maple cocaine @historyinflicks
Me: Bill & Hillary Clinton had slaves

Lib: They weren't slaves! They were prisoners learning a vocation

Me: What vocation?

Lib: Servitude

4:52 AM - 7 Jun 2017"
Hillary Clinton Accused of Using ‘Convicted Murderer Slaves’ To Serve Her in Governor’s Mansion





3. Oh....BTW....did I mention that the Democrat Party is now, and has always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship?

Going to tell us you admire Lincoln and his liberal views?

you can't make this shit up. Nope!!!

Lincoln was the most fascist president the US has had to date.

that title goes to mr. obummer.

 

[PoliticalChic]

the previous president when he put a red line in the sand and walked backward

The line needed to be drawn and even our current President saw the necessity in an attack that was by magnitude 10 times less deadly as the one Obama was responding to. But Obama should have known the hypocritical Republicans would never have his back.

No support from Congress. A no vote by the UK. Republicans overwhelmingly rejected a military strike by Obama, but overwhelmingly supported Trumps even though the magnitude of the Chemical attack was so much less. Nope the GOP left Obama with his dick swinging in the wind. Even still there were war ships heading for the Syrian coast for a strike (like the one Trump authorized I bet) when Kerry made them an offer Putin couldn't refuse.

Seems you've decided to ignore this....his roiling the Middle East due to duplicity, incompetence and his being a crypto-Islamist:


Obama made a huge mistake in refusing to negotiate an agreement to leave US troops in Iraq.
This is the source of the problem with ISIS: they're there because we weren't.
"Obama's 2012 Debate Boast: I Didn't Want to Leave Any Troops in Iraq
Obama then denied that he ever supported a status of forces agreement that would have left troops in Iraq:

MR. ROMNEY: [W]ith regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should have been a status of forces agreement. Did you —

PRESIDENT OBAMA:That's not true.

MR. ROMNEY:Oh, you didn't — you didn't want a status of forces agreement?

PRESIDENT OBAMA:No, but what I — what I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East.

"Here's one thing I've learned as commander in chief," Obama said at the end of the exchange. "You've got to be clear, both to our allies and our enemies, about where you stand and what you mean."
[Yeah....he really said that!]
Obama s 2012 Debate Boast I Didn t Want to Leave Any Troops in Iraq The Weekly Standard



a. "This month, Colin Kahl, the senior Pentagon official in charge of Iraq policy at the time, explained why the White House insisted on Iraq’s parliament approving the changes to the SOFA.

He wrote inPolitico Magazinethat in 2011 Iraq’s prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, “told U.S. negotiators that he was willing to sign an executive memorandum of understanding that included these legal protections.

Yet this time around, Obama is willing to accept an agreement from Iraq’s foreign ministry on U.S. forces in Iraq without a vote of Iraq’s parliament. “We believe we need a separate set of assurances from the Iraqis,” one senior U.S. defense official told The Daily Beast on Sunday. This official said this would likely be an agreement or exchange of diplomatic notes from the Iraq’s foreign ministry. “We basically need a piece of paper from them,” another U.S. official involved in the negotiations told The Daily Beast. The official didn’t explain why the parliamentary vote, so crucial three years ago, was no longer needed.”
Obama Does a U-Turn on Immunity for U.S. Troops in Iraq - The Daily Beast

Obama rejected it.

Effectively, he created and supported ISIS.


I knew where the snake's interests lay when I saw this....and not a single bomb or missile from the US:

View attachment 133282

Where did all those new Toyotas come from?

I suppose originally Japan, no?

More government = less liberty. Less government = more liberty

You mean like the liberty to enslave?

Or the liberty to destroy the environment and poison people?

The liberty of the economically advantaged to take full advantage of the economically disadvantaged?

Those types of liberties?

If America is so bad go to North Korea...stop trying to make a communist state here.

America is a wonderful country and I intend to do everything I can to keep it that way.

Which primarily means stopping people like you from turning it into another North Korea.

Totalitarianism by any other name is still totalitarianism.

"America is a wonderful country and I intend to do everything I can to keep it that way."

Which 'America,' you dunce?

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

America is not and never has been either of the two.

You're just a simpleton that can not understand any but simple binary thinking.

And yet one more of the Liberal 'is not, issssss noottttttt!!!' posts.


Gads, they're dumb.