The Electoral College is not fair!

[Penelope]

The Electoral College is not fair!

GO SUCK ON IT

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Quit being so damn stupid and lazy. If you want to know why we have had the EC since the founding of this country, you have a computer in front of you, use it!

The democrats wouldn't by crying over the EC now unless they felt it was blocking their way and they needed it gone to win a presidential election! You've alienated 2/3rds of the country against you calling us vile, deplorable and whatever, now you want mob rule so you can win without us! PERIOD.

The EC was DESIGNED so that the president would also have to represent the largest swath of the nation and thus the greater share of the country, not just a "head count." That's why Trump won with 30 states and Hillary lost with her meager 20 states. Really sucks huh, that you still lost even after getting in those 900,000+ illegal and fraudulent votes!

I know why, if you don't, then read. No illegals vote, they would not be caught dead at the polls. You seem full of right wing talking points.

 

[Penelope]

Penny, ever spewing out the recent Talking Points of her Overlords.

Get over it, Penny, the Electoral College is here to stay.

Do you have a comment on the EC or not, its not fair.

These were the conditions states entered the Union. Smaller states did not want to be dominated by eastern urban shitholes yesterday and to this day.

I wonder if Penelope thinks if it would be “fair” if California and New York dictated who ever president was

I think the maj. vote would be best, if its good enough for the Congress and Supreme Court, its good enough for the Potus and VP.

Do you think the EC is fair, obviously its not.

Just for starters, Penny. Just for starters. You realize we don't vote for Supreme Court?

Yes but they go by maj vote and so does congress. 1 vote is the deciding factor for the SC and the most of the votes in Congress. 1 vote.

 

[SweetSue92]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
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Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Penny, ever spewing out the recent Talking Points of her Overlords.

Get over it, Penny, the Electoral College is here to stay.

Do you have a comment on the EC or not, its not fair.

These were the conditions states entered the Union. Smaller states did not want to be dominated by eastern urban shitholes yesterday and to this day.

There were 13 states when the EC was invented. And Wyoming didn't even exist.

That's not a revelation for most people, Penny. I hope you realize

 

[Rocko]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

That is the wrong way of looking at it. Without the EC most states would get left behind. Once you understand the cocept of the sovereignty of each state you’ll understand that the EC is a system that affectively makes sure that all of them have representation in our presidential elections. It’s not about slave owners or any other nonsense you hear on MSNBC

Why do voters in Wyoming get a stronger vote than say Texas or Forida or my state, MI.

They don’t. Collectively the votes of Texas far outweigh the votes of Wyoming

 

[SweetSue92]

Do you have a comment on the EC or not, its not fair.

These were the conditions states entered the Union. Smaller states did not want to be dominated by eastern urban shitholes yesterday and to this day.

I wonder if Penelope thinks if it would be “fair” if California and New York dictated who ever president was

I think the maj. vote would be best, if its good enough for the Congress and Supreme Court, its good enough for the Potus and VP.

Do you think the EC is fair, obviously its not.

Just for starters, Penny. Just for starters. You realize we don't vote for Supreme Court?

Yes but they go by maj vote and so does congress. 1 vote is the deciding factor for the SC and the most of the votes in Congress. 1 vote.

The presidential vote goes by majority too, just by state. Because, again, we're a representative republic, not a pure democracy. Do you know what that means

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The EC is an anachronism, created at a time when the geographic size of a state was the same as the size of its population: big states had large populations, small states had small populations.

Clearly that’s no longer the case.

And as an anachronism it’s indeed time to do away with the EC.

 

[toobfreak]

No illegals vote, they would not be caught dead at the polls.

RIGHT, crackerbrain. Then PROVE IT. Institute voter ID in all 50 states. Quit running and hiding from it, quit saying one thing while always doing another!

 

[SweetSue92]

The EC is an anachronism, created at a time when the geographic size of a state was the same as the size of its population: big states had large populations, small states had small populations.

Clearly that’s no longer the case.

And as an anachronism it’s indeed time to do away with the EC.

That would take a Constitutional Convention. Think you'll win that one??

Boy you folks are losing harder than I thought. I mean you are REALLY losing. Hard. lol

 

[Meathead]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Penny, ever spewing out the recent Talking Points of her Overlords.

Get over it, Penny, the Electoral College is here to stay.

Do you have a comment on the EC or not, its not fair.

These were the conditions states entered the Union. Smaller states did not want to be dominated by eastern urban shitholes yesterday and to this day.

There were 13 states when the EC was invented. And Wyoming didn't even exist.

That's the point. God you're an idiot.

 

[toobfreak]

The EC is an anachronism, created at a time when the geographic size of a state was the same as the size of its population: big states had large populations, small states had small populations.

Right, Dingleberry. Another well-researched, thought out post by you.

NEXT quack theory by you?

 

[cnm]

Buzz off Tommy we soundly defeated your ilk awhile back and drove you off the land.

Then created a constitution based on British language and precedent.

 

[cnm]

NEXT quack theory by you?

How is one supposed to make sense of those dissimilar maps? Was it too hard to find population by state?

edit...No, not very hard at all. Smh.

1790 United States Census - Wikipedia

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Buzz off Tommy we soundly defeated your ilk awhile back and drove you off the land.

Then created a constitution based on British language and precedent.

Actually it was created by Welshmen.
Its obvious that in the current situation the partisans will not discuss this. But a situation where one mans vote is worth more than anothers based on geography has some flaws. Taxation and representation comes to mind.

 

[SweetSue92]

Buzz off Tommy we soundly defeated your ilk awhile back and drove you off the land.

Then created a constitution based on British language and precedent.

Actually it was created by Welshmen.
Its obvious that in the current situation the partisans will not discuss this. But a situation where one mans vote is worth more than anothers based on geography has some flaws. Taxation and representation comes to mind.

Well the president might make taxation policy but ultimately Congress has to pass that. Congress sets tax policy, Tommy.

 

[fncceo]

 

[Weatherman2020]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Of course you want shithole Los Angeles determine who’s President.

 

[Pilot1]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

That is the wrong way of looking at it. Without the EC most states would get left behind. Once you understand the cocept of the sovereignty of each state you’ll understand that the EC is a system that affectively makes sure that all of them have representation in our presidential elections. It’s not about slave owners or any other nonsense you hear on MSNBC

How many times do we have to say it? Are these people incapable of doing their own n historical research? We are a collection of Sovereign States. The STATES elect the President, not the PEOPLE. The Founders knew the populations centers would gang up on the rest of the country and insert MOB RULE. The EC avoids this at least for ONE ELECTION.

 

[gtopa1]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Penny, ever spewing out the recent Talking Points of her Overlords.

Get over it, Penny, the Electoral College is here to stay.

Do you have a comment on the EC or not, its not fair.

It's fair when you win; unfair when you lose. I'll tell you how to win: have POLICIES that don't tell the Rust Belt that they are getting food stamps instead of jobs!!! It works; ask Donald Trump!!!

Greg

 

[JoeB131]

Penny, ever spewing out the recent Talking Points of her Overlords.

Get over it, Penny, the Electoral College is here to stay.

Meh, it will be gone within a decade, either by amendment or enough states signing on to the Electoral Pact that awards their electors to the winner of the national popular vote.

 

[JoeB131]

OW, "waaaaahhhhh, we can't win anymore, or anyway it's not guaranteed, and our ruse of importing immigrants to vote Democrats is exposed!! Waaah, waaah, waaah, le

Um, yeah putting guys in office the people did want who then proceed to really mess things up. What a terrible idea. Obama had barely undid the damage Bush did and along comes trump to mess it up again.