The Electoral College is as outdated as the 2nd Amendment

[AZrailwhale]

Great post.

I'd like to see it drilled down even further with the electoral college composed of COUNTIES, not states.

 

[Captain Caveman]

That one statement alone is all I need to know.

And some say the EU don't make laws, they make Directives instead. But if a member state doesn't implement the directive, they get fined daily by millions until they do so. Just all a play on words for pro Europeans to say their overlords don't make laws.

 

[Dante]

Presidents should be elected based on national popular votes - not electoral votes based on acreage and just rubber-stamped by partisans!

Popular vote - not acres!

In each state, whichever party garners a majority of popular votes, regardless of how narrow the margin, wins all the electoral votes. By forcing residents in each state ultimately to vote as a block, the system is supposed to ensure that small states' interests are not drowned out by those of larger states.

U.S. Electoral Vote Map

First its 48 of 50 states. Facts matter.

Strongly disagree.

Why?

there's too much wrong here to even begin to address it.

 

[longly]

Yeah? Well, you know, I'm not just like a lazy bowler on welfare, man!

What other safeguards would you like to remove from the constitution? How about the right of the people to have their own sovereign states? How about the federal government appointing police chiefs and mayors directly from Washington DC? How about the elimination of the Senate and the Supreme Court?

There are more of these people than most might think, and they are a danger to our freedom. The Constitution as written by our founders has kept us free and allowed us to improve for over 200 years now and it will continue to protect us as long as we respect and protect it.

 

[Picaro]

What other safeguards would you like to remove from the constitution? How about the right of the people to have their own sovereign states? How about the federal government appointing police chiefs and mayors directly from Washington DC? How about the elimination of the Senate and the Supreme Court?

There are more of these people than most might think, and they are a danger to our freedom. The Constitution as written by our founders has kept us free and allowed us to improve for over 200 years now and it will continue to protect us as long as we respect and protect it.

Senators alone used to elect the President. Today the two party duopoly still decides who gets the office, and Democrats don't even have real votes on it, they have the Super Delegates rule. The GOP will be implementing one after Trump's second term; they don't like the unwashed proles voting against the RNC either.

 

[Picaro]

CellBlock never heard of the 17th Amendment and doesn't know why it was passed.

 

[Cellblock2429]

CellBlock never heard of the 17th Amendment and doesn't know why it was passed.

/—-—-/ Under the original provision of the Constitution, Senators were selected by the state legislators. This led to or opened the possibility of bribery and influence peddling in exchange for a Senate seat. The 17th Amendment passed in 1913, created the popular vote by the people of the state.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Presidents should be elected based on national popular votes - not electoral votes based on acreage and just rubber-stamped by partisans!

Popular vote - not acres!

In each state, whichever party garners a majority of popular votes, regardless of how narrow the margin, wins all the electoral votes. By forcing residents in each state ultimately to vote as a block, the system is supposed to ensure that small states' interests are not drowned out by those of larger states.

U.S. Electoral Vote Map

/----/ Talk about voter suppression. We don't want to be ruled by the large Blue states of NY, CAL, Michigan and Illinois.
And what do you Progs have planned that you need to disarm us?

 

[Picaro]

/—-—-/ Under the original provision of the Constitution, Senators were selected by the state legislators. This led to or opened the possibility of bribery and influence peddling in exchange for a Senate seat. The 17th Amendment passed in 1913, created the popular vote by the people of the state.

Yes, and the electoral college is just a variation on the same corruption. 'Winner take all' needs to be banned and replaced with proportional representation, the number of seats in Congress increased, and elections Federally funded, no private campaign donations except to the general election fund, and media committed to providing air time free, or forcing publicly funded TV and radio networks to cover the elections.

Literacy tests and civics tests should be required to get a voter registration card. The temporary reasons for banning those are long gone, and they need to be re-instated as policy. Minorities are stupid and uneducated entirely by choice, same for whites, and have been since the 1970's.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Senators alone used to elect the President. Today the two party duopoly still decides who gets the office, and Democrats don't even have real votes on it, they have the Super Delegates rule. The GOP will be implementing one after Trump's second term; they don't like the unwashed proles voting against the RNC either.

Senators alone used to elect the President.

When? Link?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Senators alone used to elect the President.

When? Link?

/—-/
The presidency of George Washington began on April 30, 1789, when Washington was inaugurated as the first president of the United States, and ended on March 4, 1797. Washington took office after the 1788–1789 presidential election, the nation's first quadrennial presidential election, in which he was elected unanimously by the Electoral College. Washington was re-elected unanimously in the 1792 presidential election and chose to retire after two terms. He was succeeded by his vice president, John Adams of the Federalist Party. -Wikipedia

 

[Dante]

/—-/
The presidency of George Washington began on April 30, 1789, when Washington was inaugurated as the first president of the United States, and ended on March 4, 1797. Washington took office after the 1788–1789 presidential election, the nation's first quadrennial presidential election, in which he was elected unanimously by the Electoral College. Washington was re-elected unanimously in the 1792 presidential election and chose to retire after two terms. He was succeeded by his vice president, John Adams of the Federalist Party. -Wikipedia

poor Toddsterpatriot showing off his ignorance of basic civics

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

poor Toddsterpatriot showing off his ignorance of basic civics

You agree with Picaro's idiotic claim?

 

[Dante]

You agree with Picaro's idiotic claim?

nope

 

[Dante]

CellBlock never heard of the 17th Amendment and doesn't know why it was passed.

"While many constitutional amendments have added to the rights held by Americans, changed the balance of power between the federal government and states, or altered elections for the President, the structure of Congress in the written Constitution has barely been touched since 1791. The only constitutional amendment to do so in a substantial way is the Seventeenth Amendment, which removed from state legislatures the power to choose U.S. Senators and gave that power directly to voters in each state."

Interpretation: The Seventeenth Amendment | Constitution Center

Interpretations of The Seventeenth Amendment by constitutional scholars

constitutioncenter.org

 

[Dante]

You agree with Picaro's idiotic claim?

I believe you two are in good company -- with each other.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I believe you two are in good company -- with each other.

He's an idiot and based on your last few posts, so are you.

 

[BackAgain]

Thank God and the Framers for the brilliant Electoral College.

 

[AZrailwhale]

/—-—-/ Under the original provision of the Constitution, Senators were selected by the state legislators. This led to or opened the possibility of bribery and influence peddling in exchange for a Senate seat. The 17th Amendment passed in 1913, created the popular vote by the people of the state.

And removed one of the checks and balances from our government. They threw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[Picaro]

lol so much nonsense, too little knowledge. Electors were chosen by the legislatures, not by popular vote, and in turn those elected Senators. That tell you anything? There were 69 electors in the first election after ratification, from 10 states, making 20 of them Senators, basically just magnifying the votes of the other 49 electors. See the issue here? If not, well ...