The Economic Lockdown Catastrophe The worst jobs report in history shows why the economy must reopen.

[Coyote]

Folks dont worry so much. Economic activity is being suppressed by the lockdowns but they will be almost all gone by end of October, and those that still do lockdowns will be blue states losing businesses to red states.

That wont last very long because the businesses will be taking their taxes with them, and we are not bailing out any corrupt and mismanaged states like New York.

Trump is the best man to guide us back into a full re-opening and that is what scares the beejeebus out of the Democrats.

You're kind of delusional, buddy.

Here's how it's going to play out. Best case scenario, we end the lockdowns in June and hopefully that won't cause a spike in new cases. If it does, we'll be right back where we started from.

But even if it doesn't, a lot of those small businesses will be GONE. They won't be coming back.

Then you are going to see the second wave in layoffs. All the "essential" workers who are going to find themselves downsized because their industries aren't making as much, or the new influx of unemployed means they can find someone to do the job for cheaper.

THIS IS GOING TO BE BAD. If Trump were a leader, he'd level with people and prepare them for the worst. This is what Bush did after 9/11. This is what FDR did during the Great Depression.

His bragging how awesome he is was wearing a bit thin on people before we had 80,000 corpses.

President Trump has already leveled with the people.

After the disease is defeated, he will pull his magic wand again. The economy will sky rocket right back up... well the states that are not blue anyway.

The Magical Orange Blob?

Seriously - do any of you realize that this is not a LOCAL economy that is being devastated? It's the world economy, and it's all interrelated.

 

[Norman]

Folks dont worry so much. Economic activity is being suppressed by the lockdowns but they will be almost all gone by end of October, and those that still do lockdowns will be blue states losing businesses to red states.

That wont last very long because the businesses will be taking their taxes with them, and we are not bailing out any corrupt and mismanaged states like New York.

Trump is the best man to guide us back into a full re-opening and that is what scares the beejeebus out of the Democrats.

You're kind of delusional, buddy.

Here's how it's going to play out. Best case scenario, we end the lockdowns in June and hopefully that won't cause a spike in new cases. If it does, we'll be right back where we started from.

But even if it doesn't, a lot of those small businesses will be GONE. They won't be coming back.

Then you are going to see the second wave in layoffs. All the "essential" workers who are going to find themselves downsized because their industries aren't making as much, or the new influx of unemployed means they can find someone to do the job for cheaper.

THIS IS GOING TO BE BAD. If Trump were a leader, he'd level with people and prepare them for the worst. This is what Bush did after 9/11. This is what FDR did during the Great Depression.

His bragging how awesome he is was wearing a bit thin on people before we had 80,000 corpses.

President Trump has already leveled with the people.

After the disease is defeated, he will pull his magic wand again. The economy will sky rocket right back up... well the states that are not blue anyway.

The Magical Orange Blob?

Seriously - do any of you realize that this is not a LOCAL economy that is being devastated? It's the world economy, and it's all interrelated.

It was mostly fake to begin with. This will create a resurgence like the ones of which we have never seen before. True AMERICAN economy for the AMERICAN people, lead by an AMERICAN president. Amazing!

 

[Dragonlady]

Here is the reality: This shutdown cannot continue or it will destroy this country:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-economic-lockdown-catastrophe-11588978716​

​

Unemployment in April soared to 14.7%—the highest rate since the government started keeping records in 1948—while employers shed 20.5 million more jobs after losing 870,000 in March. The labor-market bleeding is even worse than those numbers suggest since 6.4 million workers left the workforce.​

​

Labor participation had been trending upward the past two years as faster job growth drew millions of low-income Americans from the sidelines. But the participation rate has now fallen 3.2 percentage points to 60.2% since a recent peak in February, the lowest since 1973 before large numbers of women started working.​

​

Much of the media continue to treat the economic destruction as a sideshow and present a false choice between saving lives and jobs. But this is the fastest jobs collapse in modern history. The Great Depression drove millions of Americans into poverty and caused many suicides, and there’s a substantial risk this could happen again.​

​

Mental-health crisis hotlines are reporting spikes in calls. According to Express Scripts, anti-anxiety prescriptions increased by a third between mid-February and mid-March. Many in despair will probably turn to alcohol or narcotics. CVS executives warned this week that delayed care could lead to a surge of non-coronavirus related health problems. They include cancers undiagnosed and illnesses left untreated.​

​

Hospitals have also had to cancel elective procedures, which is how they make most of their money. Stanford Health Care is cutting pay by 20% for its 14,000 workers. The California Medical Association reported that revenues at private practices have declined by two-thirds since March 1, and half have furloughed or laid off staff.​

​

Congress has appropriated $175 billion to shore up hospitals, but this won’t help small physician practices much. Many health-care providers warn they may not survive if their privately insured patients lose jobs and sign up for Medicaid​

Yep, bad for the economy. Got it. Are you advocating opening up wide open all states, all counties, all cities or more controlled, dependent on state and local conditions? Mine is opening if it makes you feel better. Of course not opening full blast without restrictions, as I live in a fairly conservative deep red state. Heck, my pool is open, looking real good and of course costing me money, but I am not diving in, to thoroughly enjoy until the waters warm up more. Just the kind of conservative minded guy, I am.

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Define "worse". How can it be worse than 2,000 people a day dying from this thing. That's over 700,000 people per year.

What is the "acceptable level of death" to save the economy? And who is going to pay for the medical expenses for the "sacrificial" workers of the nation when the rate of infection overwhelms the rural hospitals? Which of your relatives are you prepared to sacrifice?

Last but not least, I notice that MConnell and Trump want to strip away a worker's right to sue if they are forced to return to work and their employer fails to protect them. So low wage, high risk, family breadwinners with no medical coverage, can be forced back to work, with no PPE's, and there's nothing they can do about it.

Trump's scorched earth re-opening is going to go worse than his "perfect" response, which will kill a quarter of a million Americans. The re-opening is expected to double that number.

How many dead Americans before the American people say "enough"?

 

[bripat9643]

Here is the reality: This shutdown cannot continue or it will destroy this country:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-economic-lockdown-catastrophe-11588978716​

​

Unemployment in April soared to 14.7%—the highest rate since the government started keeping records in 1948—while employers shed 20.5 million more jobs after losing 870,000 in March. The labor-market bleeding is even worse than those numbers suggest since 6.4 million workers left the workforce.​

​

Labor participation had been trending upward the past two years as faster job growth drew millions of low-income Americans from the sidelines. But the participation rate has now fallen 3.2 percentage points to 60.2% since a recent peak in February, the lowest since 1973 before large numbers of women started working.​

​

Much of the media continue to treat the economic destruction as a sideshow and present a false choice between saving lives and jobs. But this is the fastest jobs collapse in modern history. The Great Depression drove millions of Americans into poverty and caused many suicides, and there’s a substantial risk this could happen again.​

​

Mental-health crisis hotlines are reporting spikes in calls. According to Express Scripts, anti-anxiety prescriptions increased by a third between mid-February and mid-March. Many in despair will probably turn to alcohol or narcotics. CVS executives warned this week that delayed care could lead to a surge of non-coronavirus related health problems. They include cancers undiagnosed and illnesses left untreated.​

​

Hospitals have also had to cancel elective procedures, which is how they make most of their money. Stanford Health Care is cutting pay by 20% for its 14,000 workers. The California Medical Association reported that revenues at private practices have declined by two-thirds since March 1, and half have furloughed or laid off staff.​

​

Congress has appropriated $175 billion to shore up hospitals, but this won’t help small physician practices much. Many health-care providers warn they may not survive if their privately insured patients lose jobs and sign up for Medicaid​

This is about lives vs jobs. People value their lives more.



Marybeth Glenn Retweeted

Businessweek
@BW

On March 25, Cargill worker Rafael Benjamin was ordered by a supervisor to remove his mask because it was creating unnecessary fears among plant employees. Benjamin was admitted to the ICU and put on a ventilator weeks later. He died on April 19 https://trib.al/mg1R6z3

Let them decide that.

Furthermore, it's almost entirely about the lives of people in nursing homes who are near death anyway. Virtually no one under the age of 65 has anything to worry about.

 

[bripat9643]

Here is the reality: This shutdown cannot continue or it will destroy this country:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-economic-lockdown-catastrophe-11588978716​

​

Unemployment in April soared to 14.7%—the highest rate since the government started keeping records in 1948—while employers shed 20.5 million more jobs after losing 870,000 in March. The labor-market bleeding is even worse than those numbers suggest since 6.4 million workers left the workforce.​

​

Labor participation had been trending upward the past two years as faster job growth drew millions of low-income Americans from the sidelines. But the participation rate has now fallen 3.2 percentage points to 60.2% since a recent peak in February, the lowest since 1973 before large numbers of women started working.​

​

Much of the media continue to treat the economic destruction as a sideshow and present a false choice between saving lives and jobs. But this is the fastest jobs collapse in modern history. The Great Depression drove millions of Americans into poverty and caused many suicides, and there’s a substantial risk this could happen again.​

​

Mental-health crisis hotlines are reporting spikes in calls. According to Express Scripts, anti-anxiety prescriptions increased by a third between mid-February and mid-March. Many in despair will probably turn to alcohol or narcotics. CVS executives warned this week that delayed care could lead to a surge of non-coronavirus related health problems. They include cancers undiagnosed and illnesses left untreated.​

​

Hospitals have also had to cancel elective procedures, which is how they make most of their money. Stanford Health Care is cutting pay by 20% for its 14,000 workers. The California Medical Association reported that revenues at private practices have declined by two-thirds since March 1, and half have furloughed or laid off staff.​

​

Congress has appropriated $175 billion to shore up hospitals, but this won’t help small physician practices much. Many health-care providers warn they may not survive if their privately insured patients lose jobs and sign up for Medicaid​

Yep, bad for the economy. Got it. Are you advocating opening up wide open all states, all counties, all cities or more controlled, dependent on state and local conditions? Mine is opening if it makes you feel better. Of course not opening full blast without restrictions, as I live in a fairly conservative deep red state. Heck, my pool is open, looking real good and of course costing me money, but I am not diving in, to thoroughly enjoy until the waters warm up more. Just the kind of conservative minded guy, I am.

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Define "worse". How can it be worse than 2,000 people a day dying from this thing. That's over 700,000 people per year.

What is the "acceptable level of death" to save the economy? And who is going to pay for the medical expenses for the "sacrificial" workers of the nation when the rate of infection overwhelms the rural hospitals? Which of your relatives are you prepared to sacrifice?

Last but not least, I notice that MConnell and Trump want to strip away a worker's right to sue if they are forced to return to work and their employer fails to protect them. So low wage, high risk, family breadwinners with no medical coverage, can be forced back to work, with no PPE's, and there's nothing they can do about it.

Trump's scorched earth re-opening is going to go worse than his "perfect" response, which will kill a quarter of a million Americans. The re-opening is expected to double that number.

How many dead Americans before the American people say "enough"?

The medical expenses of the "sacrificial workers" would be a lot less than the cost of this shutdown. The rate is already down to a little over a thousand, and it will be down to a couple of hundred within a matter of weeks. Most of the people dying are nursing home patients in their 80s. Young people of working age have nothing to worry about. This whole thing can be handled by taking additional precautions in nursing homes and leaving everyone else alone.


People who work in packing plants have medical coverage.

 

[bripat9643]

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Yeah. People might actually hold Trump accountable. That would be tragic for you guys.

No, we need to hold the libs, who have perpetrated lie after lie after lie. This lockdown just being the latest. The left hates this country.

Not sure. Today am reading about infections on the president's valet, an aide to Ivanka and multiple on the president's security detail. Looks like the virus is no respecter of Rep vs Dem, trump supporter vs (dreaded) liberals, or even the white house walls. Heck, the military will not even accept corona infected into the service for fear of unleashing a dangerous infection in the close quarters of basic training stations, due to dangers identified. It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best. Probably why the constitution did not give him the power to enforce his will on the states and citizens.

Oh I agree its no respecter and doesn't discriminate but leaving our decisions up the state, local, and fed government had led us to great harm. The lefts actions show their disdain and hate for this country. Yes, they do hate the country. They're begging for socialism/communism. It will ultimately destroy them.

Maybe, but not

It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best.

the left merely tolerates America if things are going their way

they reserve hate for when they lose elections and they are not setting the agenda

Real Republicans only tolerate Don Trump if things are going their way. The reserve their disdain for trump when they lose election and are not setting the agenda.

In other words a "real Republican" is one without any principles?

You're truly a douchebag.

 

[bripat9643]

This virus is weak. With this type logic, no one would ever come out of the house. Its this same logic that libs have applied and sent this country into ruin. They're appalling and despicable.

This virus kills 6% of the people who contract it. I'm not sure what you'd consider a "Strong" Virus. 20%?

No, we need to hold the libs, who have perpetrated lie after lie after lie. This lockdown just being the latest. The left hates this country.

Again, just because the Talking Snake right doesn't understand science, doesn't mean it stops being a thing.

No it doesn't, dumbass. You're spreading hysteria.

 

[bripat9643]

Here is the reality: This shutdown cannot continue or it will destroy this country:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-economic-lockdown-catastrophe-11588978716​

​

Unemployment in April soared to 14.7%—the highest rate since the government started keeping records in 1948—while employers shed 20.5 million more jobs after losing 870,000 in March. The labor-market bleeding is even worse than those numbers suggest since 6.4 million workers left the workforce.​

​

Labor participation had been trending upward the past two years as faster job growth drew millions of low-income Americans from the sidelines. But the participation rate has now fallen 3.2 percentage points to 60.2% since a recent peak in February, the lowest since 1973 before large numbers of women started working.​

​

Much of the media continue to treat the economic destruction as a sideshow and present a false choice between saving lives and jobs. But this is the fastest jobs collapse in modern history. The Great Depression drove millions of Americans into poverty and caused many suicides, and there’s a substantial risk this could happen again.​

​

Mental-health crisis hotlines are reporting spikes in calls. According to Express Scripts, anti-anxiety prescriptions increased by a third between mid-February and mid-March. Many in despair will probably turn to alcohol or narcotics. CVS executives warned this week that delayed care could lead to a surge of non-coronavirus related health problems. They include cancers undiagnosed and illnesses left untreated.​

​

Hospitals have also had to cancel elective procedures, which is how they make most of their money. Stanford Health Care is cutting pay by 20% for its 14,000 workers. The California Medical Association reported that revenues at private practices have declined by two-thirds since March 1, and half have furloughed or laid off staff.​

​

Congress has appropriated $175 billion to shore up hospitals, but this won’t help small physician practices much. Many health-care providers warn they may not survive if their privately insured patients lose jobs and sign up for Medicaid​

This is about lives vs jobs. People value their lives more.



Marybeth Glenn Retweeted

Businessweek
@BW

On March 25, Cargill worker Rafael Benjamin was ordered by a supervisor to remove his mask because it was creating unnecessary fears among plant employees. Benjamin was admitted to the ICU and put on a ventilator weeks later. He died on April 19 https://trib.al/mg1R6z3

Wow, you found on case of someone dying from COVID? That proves everything you've been saying is true!

You can't really be that stupid, can you?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

No, we don't even have the real numbers that are asymptomatic and infected. The mortality rate is lower. Quarantining healthy people is asinine and totally against science. Now, we're reaping the repercussions of such idiotic group think not based on any past science. Its astounding.

We've conducted 9 million tests and have come back with 1.3 million infected. That's probably a good idea of how widespread this is.

Of those, 80,000 have died.

Yes, this is really bad, but since I know the Talking Snake Crowd struggles with math and science, there's no point in pissing up that rope.

Low estimates are 10-20 million infected but asymptomatic. On par with a weak flu year. And no, we don't need to force test everyone in this country. I'm not getting tested nor will I take a vaccine if one becomes available not will I or have I worn a mask.

 

[Mac-7]

Here is the reality: This shutdown cannot continue or it will destroy this country:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-economic-lockdown-catastrophe-11588978716​

​

Unemployment in April soared to 14.7%—the highest rate since the government started keeping records in 1948—while employers shed 20.5 million more jobs after losing 870,000 in March. The labor-market bleeding is even worse than those numbers suggest since 6.4 million workers left the workforce.​

​

Labor participation had been trending upward the past two years as faster job growth drew millions of low-income Americans from the sidelines. But the participation rate has now fallen 3.2 percentage points to 60.2% since a recent peak in February, the lowest since 1973 before large numbers of women started working.​

​

Much of the media continue to treat the economic destruction as a sideshow and present a false choice between saving lives and jobs. But this is the fastest jobs collapse in modern history. The Great Depression drove millions of Americans into poverty and caused many suicides, and there’s a substantial risk this could happen again.​

​

Mental-health crisis hotlines are reporting spikes in calls. According to Express Scripts, anti-anxiety prescriptions increased by a third between mid-February and mid-March. Many in despair will probably turn to alcohol or narcotics. CVS executives warned this week that delayed care could lead to a surge of non-coronavirus related health problems. They include cancers undiagnosed and illnesses left untreated.​

​

Hospitals have also had to cancel elective procedures, which is how they make most of their money. Stanford Health Care is cutting pay by 20% for its 14,000 workers. The California Medical Association reported that revenues at private practices have declined by two-thirds since March 1, and half have furloughed or laid off staff.​

​

Congress has appropriated $175 billion to shore up hospitals, but this won’t help small physician practices much. Many health-care providers warn they may not survive if their privately insured patients lose jobs and sign up for Medicaid​

Yep, bad for the economy. Got it. Are you advocating opening up wide open all states, all counties, all cities or more controlled, dependent on state and local conditions? Mine is opening if it makes you feel better. Of course not opening full blast without restrictions, as I live in a fairly conservative deep red state. Heck, my pool is open, looking real good and of course costing me money, but I am not diving in, to thoroughly enjoy until the waters warm up more. Just the kind of conservative minded guy, I am.

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Define "worse". How can it be worse than 2,000 people a day dying from this thing. That's over 700,000 people per year.

What is the "acceptable level of death" to save the economy? And who is going to pay for the medical expenses for the "sacrificial" workers of the nation when the rate of infection overwhelms the rural hospitals? Which of your relatives are you prepared to sacrifice?

Last but not least, I notice that MConnell and Trump want to strip away a worker's right to sue if they are forced to return to work and their employer fails to protect them. So low wage, high risk, family breadwinners with no medical coverage, can be forced back to work, with no PPE's, and there's nothing they can do about it.

Trump's scorched earth re-opening is going to go worse than his "perfect" response, which will kill a quarter of a million Americans. The re-opening is expected to double that number.

How many dead Americans before the American people say "enough"?

Are two million people a day dying in canada?

 

[WEATHER53]

Here is the reality: This shutdown cannot continue or it will destroy this country:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-economic-lockdown-catastrophe-11588978716​

​

Unemployment in April soared to 14.7%—the highest rate since the government started keeping records in 1948—while employers shed 20.5 million more jobs after losing 870,000 in March. The labor-market bleeding is even worse than those numbers suggest since 6.4 million workers left the workforce.​

​

Labor participation had been trending upward the past two years as faster job growth drew millions of low-income Americans from the sidelines. But the participation rate has now fallen 3.2 percentage points to 60.2% since a recent peak in February, the lowest since 1973 before large numbers of women started working.​

​

Much of the media continue to treat the economic destruction as a sideshow and present a false choice between saving lives and jobs. But this is the fastest jobs collapse in modern history. The Great Depression drove millions of Americans into poverty and caused many suicides, and there’s a substantial risk this could happen again.​

​

Mental-health crisis hotlines are reporting spikes in calls. According to Express Scripts, anti-anxiety prescriptions increased by a third between mid-February and mid-March. Many in despair will probably turn to alcohol or narcotics. CVS executives warned this week that delayed care could lead to a surge of non-coronavirus related health problems. They include cancers undiagnosed and illnesses left untreated.​

​

Hospitals have also had to cancel elective procedures, which is how they make most of their money. Stanford Health Care is cutting pay by 20% for its 14,000 workers. The California Medical Association reported that revenues at private practices have declined by two-thirds since March 1, and half have furloughed or laid off staff.​

​

Congress has appropriated $175 billion to shore up hospitals, but this won’t help small physician practices much. Many health-care providers warn they may not survive if their privately insured patients lose jobs and sign up for Medicaid​

Yep, bad for the economy. Got it. Are you advocating opening up wide open all states, all counties, all cities or more controlled, dependent on state and local conditions? Mine is opening if it makes you feel better. Of course not opening full blast without restrictions, as I live in a fairly conservative deep red state. Heck, my pool is open, looking real good and of course costing me money, but I am not diving in, to thoroughly enjoy until the waters warm up more. Just the kind of conservative minded guy, I am.

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Define "worse". How can it be worse than 2,000 people a day dying from this thing. That's over 700,000 people per year.

What is the "acceptable level of death" to save the economy? And who is going to pay for the medical expenses for the "sacrificial" workers of the nation when the rate of infection overwhelms the rural hospitals? Which of your relatives are you prepared to sacrifice?

Last but not least, I notice that MConnell and Trump want to strip away a worker's right to sue if they are forced to return to work and their employer fails to protect them. So low wage, high risk, family breadwinners with no medical coverage, can be forced back to work, with no PPE's, and there's nothing they can do about it.

Trump's scorched earth re-opening is going to go worse than his "perfect" response, which will kill a quarter of a million Americans. The re-opening is expected to double that number.

How many dead Americans before the American people say "enough"?

Are two million people a day dying in canada?

Walking brain dead death-yes

 

[Mac-7]

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Yeah. People might actually hold Trump accountable. That would be tragic for you guys.

No, we need to hold the libs, who have perpetrated lie after lie after lie. This lockdown just being the latest. The left hates this country.

Not sure. Today am reading about infections on the president's valet, an aide to Ivanka and multiple on the president's security detail. Looks like the virus is no respecter of Rep vs Dem, trump supporter vs (dreaded) liberals, or even the white house walls. Heck, the military will not even accept corona infected into the service for fear of unleashing a dangerous infection in the close quarters of basic training stations, due to dangers identified. It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best. Probably why the constitution did not give him the power to enforce his will on the states and citizens.

Oh I agree its no respecter and doesn't discriminate but leaving our decisions up the state, local, and fed government had led us to great harm. The lefts actions show their disdain and hate for this country. Yes, they do hate the country. They're begging for socialism/communism. It will ultimately destroy them.

Maybe, but not

It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best.

the left merely tolerates America if things are going their way

they reserve hate for when they lose elections and they are not setting the agenda

Real Republicans only tolerate Don Trump if things are going their way. The reserve their disdain for trump when they lose election and are not setting the agenda.

In other words a "real Republican" is one without any principles?

You're truly a douchebag.

No

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Yeah. People might actually hold Trump accountable. That would be tragic for you guys.

No, we need to hold the libs, who have perpetrated lie after lie after lie. This lockdown just being the latest. The left hates this country.

Not sure. Today am reading about infections on the president's valet, an aide to Ivanka and multiple on the president's security detail. Looks like the virus is no respecter of Rep vs Dem, trump supporter vs (dreaded) liberals, or even the white house walls. Heck, the military will not even accept corona infected into the service for fear of unleashing a dangerous infection in the close quarters of basic training stations, due to dangers identified. It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best. Probably why the constitution did not give him the power to enforce his will on the states and citizens.

Oh I agree its no respecter and doesn't discriminate but leaving our decisions up the state, local, and fed government had led us to great harm. The lefts actions show their disdain and hate for this country. Yes, they do hate the country. They're begging for socialism/communism. It will ultimately destroy them.

Maybe, but not

It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best.

the left merely tolerates America if things are going their way

they reserve hate for when they lose elections and they are not setting the agenda

Real Republicans only tolerate Don Trump if things are going their way. The reserve their disdain for trump when they lose election and are not setting the agenda.

In other words a "real Republican" is one without any principles?

You're truly a douchebag.

white 6 is just ripping off my words cause he has no originality

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Folks dont worry so much. Economic activity is being suppressed by the lockdowns but they will be almost all gone by end of October, and those that still do lockdowns will be blue states losing businesses to red states.

That wont last very long because the businesses will be taking their taxes with them, and we are not bailing out any corrupt and mismanaged states like New York.

Trump is the best man to guide us back into a full re-opening and that is what scares the beejeebus out of the Democrats.

Tesla and Space X are leaving for Texas. Apple already ditched San Fran for Austin.

 

[Desperado]

President Trump has already leveled with the people.

After the disease is defeated, he will pull his magic wand again. The economy will sky rocket right back up... well the states that are not blue anyway.

Yeah, wasn't he the guy who said this would go away when the weather got warm and we'd only have a few cases.

80K dead as of this morning.

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And what is the population difference between the two countries?

 

[WEATHER53]

Never have so few been able to imprision so many over so little

 

[White 6]

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Yeah. People might actually hold Trump accountable. That would be tragic for you guys.

No, we need to hold the libs, who have perpetrated lie after lie after lie. This lockdown just being the latest. The left hates this country.

Not sure. Today am reading about infections on the president's valet, an aide to Ivanka and multiple on the president's security detail. Looks like the virus is no respecter of Rep vs Dem, trump supporter vs (dreaded) liberals, or even the white house walls. Heck, the military will not even accept corona infected into the service for fear of unleashing a dangerous infection in the close quarters of basic training stations, due to dangers identified. It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best. Probably why the constitution did not give him the power to enforce his will on the states and citizens.

Oh I agree its no respecter and doesn't discriminate but leaving our decisions up the state, local, and fed government had led us to great harm. The lefts actions show their disdain and hate for this country. Yes, they do hate the country. They're begging for socialism/communism. It will ultimately destroy them.

Maybe, but not

It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best.

the left merely tolerates America if things are going their way

they reserve hate for when they lose elections and they are not setting the agenda

Real Republicans only tolerate Don Trump if things are going their way. The reserve their disdain for trump when they lose election and are not setting the agenda.

In other words a "real Republican" is one without any principles?

You're truly a douchebag.

No

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Yeah. People might actually hold Trump accountable. That would be tragic for you guys.

No, we need to hold the libs, who have perpetrated lie after lie after lie. This lockdown just being the latest. The left hates this country.

Not sure. Today am reading about infections on the president's valet, an aide to Ivanka and multiple on the president's security detail. Looks like the virus is no respecter of Rep vs Dem, trump supporter vs (dreaded) liberals, or even the white house walls. Heck, the military will not even accept corona infected into the service for fear of unleashing a dangerous infection in the close quarters of basic training stations, due to dangers identified. It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best. Probably why the constitution did not give him the power to enforce his will on the states and citizens.

Oh I agree its no respecter and doesn't discriminate but leaving our decisions up the state, local, and fed government had led us to great harm. The lefts actions show their disdain and hate for this country. Yes, they do hate the country. They're begging for socialism/communism. It will ultimately destroy them.

Maybe, but not

It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best.

the left merely tolerates America if things are going their way

they reserve hate for when they lose elections and they are not setting the agenda

Real Republicans only tolerate Don Trump if things are going their way. The reserve their disdain for trump when they lose election and are not setting the agenda.

In other words a "real Republican" is one without any principles?

You're truly a douchebag.

white 6 is just ripping off my words cause he has no originality

Originality wasn't called for. Poking someone's own words back at them is always fun, especially when it fits!

 

[eddiew]

Here is the reality: This shutdown cannot continue or it will destroy this country:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-economic-lockdown-catastrophe-11588978716​

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Unemployment in April soared to 14.7%—the highest rate since the government started keeping records in 1948—while employers shed 20.5 million more jobs after losing 870,000 in March. The labor-market bleeding is even worse than those numbers suggest since 6.4 million workers left the workforce.​

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Labor participation had been trending upward the past two years as faster job growth drew millions of low-income Americans from the sidelines. But the participation rate has now fallen 3.2 percentage points to 60.2% since a recent peak in February, the lowest since 1973 before large numbers of women started working.​

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Much of the media continue to treat the economic destruction as a sideshow and present a false choice between saving lives and jobs. But this is the fastest jobs collapse in modern history. The Great Depression drove millions of Americans into poverty and caused many suicides, and there’s a substantial risk this could happen again.​

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Mental-health crisis hotlines are reporting spikes in calls. According to Express Scripts, anti-anxiety prescriptions increased by a third between mid-February and mid-March. Many in despair will probably turn to alcohol or narcotics. CVS executives warned this week that delayed care could lead to a surge of non-coronavirus related health problems. They include cancers undiagnosed and illnesses left untreated.​

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Hospitals have also had to cancel elective procedures, which is how they make most of their money. Stanford Health Care is cutting pay by 20% for its 14,000 workers. The California Medical Association reported that revenues at private practices have declined by two-thirds since March 1, and half have furloughed or laid off staff.​

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Congress has appropriated $175 billion to shore up hospitals, but this won’t help small physician practices much. Many health-care providers warn they may not survive if their privately insured patients lose jobs and sign up for Medicaid​

Yep, bad for the economy. Got it. Are you advocating opening up wide open all states, all counties, all cities or more controlled, dependent on state and local conditions? Mine is opening if it makes you feel better. Of course not opening full blast without restrictions, as I live in a fairly conservative deep red state. Heck, my pool is open, looking real good and of course costing me money, but I am not diving in, to thoroughly enjoy until the waters warm up more. Just the kind of conservative minded guy, I am.

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Might help getting the human turd trump out of the WH

 

[White 6]

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Yeah. People might actually hold Trump accountable. That would be tragic for you guys.

No, we need to hold the libs, who have perpetrated lie after lie after lie. This lockdown just being the latest. The left hates this country.

Not sure. Today am reading about infections on the president's valet, an aide to Ivanka and multiple on the president's security detail. Looks like the virus is no respecter of Rep vs Dem, trump supporter vs (dreaded) liberals, or even the white house walls. Heck, the military will not even accept corona infected into the service for fear of unleashing a dangerous infection in the close quarters of basic training stations, due to dangers identified. It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best. Probably why the constitution did not give him the power to enforce his will on the states and citizens.

Oh I agree its no respecter and doesn't discriminate but leaving our decisions up the state, local, and fed government had led us to great harm. The lefts actions show their disdain and hate for this country. Yes, they do hate the country. They're begging for socialism/communism. It will ultimately destroy them.

Maybe, but not

It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best.

the left merely tolerates America if things are going their way

they reserve hate for when they lose elections and they are not setting the agenda

Real Republicans only tolerate Don Trump if things are going their way. The reserve their disdain for trump when they lose election and are not setting the agenda.

In other words a "real Republican" is one without any principles?

You're truly a douchebag.

No. Not at all. That would be the trumptard 35%. Real republicans have been laying low for a while, most of the time since his election. I miss them, the conservative voices of reason.

 

[WEATHER53]

Its a bad choice either way

but not opening up will be worse

Yeah. People might actually hold Trump accountable. That would be tragic for you guys.

No, we need to hold the libs, who have perpetrated lie after lie after lie. This lockdown just being the latest. The left hates this country.

Not sure. Today am reading about infections on the president's valet, an aide to Ivanka and multiple on the president's security detail. Looks like the virus is no respecter of Rep vs Dem, trump supporter vs (dreaded) liberals, or even the white house walls. Heck, the military will not even accept corona infected into the service for fear of unleashing a dangerous infection in the close quarters of basic training stations, due to dangers identified. It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best. Probably why the constitution did not give him the power to enforce his will on the states and citizens.

Oh I agree its no respecter and doesn't discriminate but leaving our decisions up the state, local, and fed government had led us to great harm. The lefts actions show their disdain and hate for this country. Yes, they do hate the country. They're begging for socialism/communism. It will ultimately destroy them.

Maybe, but not

It is not that the (dreaded) left hates this country. They don't. It is just that few trust the president, his motives or his judgement about what is best.

the left merely tolerates America if things are going their way

they reserve hate for when they lose elections and they are not setting the agenda

Real Republicans only tolerate Don Trump if things are going their way. The reserve their disdain for trump when they lose election and are not setting the agenda.

In other words a "real Republican" is one without any principles?

You're truly a douchebag.

No. Not at all. That would be the trumptard 35%. Real republicans have been laying low for a while, most of the time since his election. I miss them, the conservative voices of reason.

Listen to me and you will receive what you are missing.

 

[NotYourBody]

We're waiting/hoping for therapeutics and a vaccine that, if/when, they show up will have minimal impacts on fatalities, and we're somehow justifying all of this based on that nebulous timeframe and benefit in conjunction with data and predictions that have been dogshit from the jump.

In addition and more urgently, we are waiting for widespread, accurate testing. Not the kind of testing that has states bidding against each other for tests and supplies. Because that is some kind of low IQ, moron level shit.

Widespread testing would let us get the virus under control and know where outbreaks are popping up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...241454-913f-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html

“We can’t continue to pump federal dollars and print federal dollars to keep the economy afloat if we’re not allowing the engine of the economy to begin to spin again. But we can’t do that without adequate testing,” said Rep. Michael C. Burgess (R-Tex.), a conservative physician, during a Friday House committee briefing.

We needed a robust, well-planned, well-executed Federal response. The Trump administration abdicated.